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There's clearly an eye to the future, but GW is being very firm in their marketing and communication about what IS actually coming. Which is sensible as any future "Similar scaled game" is likely at good 5 years off at best from any release. No sense even hinting at that yet from their angle. Esp since 5 years is a long time and the market could change drastically which would affect GW's choices. Everything from total collapse to such good success that t speeds things up to going another direction entirely.

A bit disappointed no mention of Legio Metalica. I'd like to see official layouts for the colors. The pictures of them floating about the internet aren't exactly consistent.

Hopefully someday we will see some Eldar Phantom Titans.

 Barzam wrote:


Hopefully someday we will see some Eldar Phantom Titans.

I'm surprised there's no mention of Eldar Titans actually. They were present during the HH and they have the models for the wraithknight, revenant and phantom titan models they just have to adjust scale. Another faction that can be used as allies too.

mikesorensonxx wrote:
...they have the models for the wraithknight, revenant and phantom titan models they just have to adjust scale.

It's more complicated than that. The 40k scale titans were all made by hand, not CAD. They have to build digital models from scratch. That's why it took two years to get the Imperial stuff done.

 Mysterio wrote:
It's been a while, but...weren't those Chaos Knights just Chaos versions of...Knights?

Weird that we're getting a class between Knights and Warhounds when that's basically what Knights already are, for the most part?

The Hell … units are Knights (although clearly not the same chassis as the Imperial Knights, so we could see "pre-Chaos" versions of what would become those Hell ... Knights), but the Castigator and Questor are definitely scout titans, and smaller than the Warhound.


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 Breotan wrote:

mikesorensonxx wrote:
...they have the models for the wraithknight, revenant and phantom titan models they just have to adjust scale.

It's more complicated than that. The 40k scale titans were all made by hand, not CAD. They have to build digital models from scratch. That's why it took two years to get the Imperial stuff done.

The Warlord was, IIRC, the first 40k titan model designed using CAD. It's also not just a matter of making the models; they have plenty of other ideas for expanding the Horus Heresy setting with new units. Yes, the Orks and Eldar were present during the Heresy, but they're basically bystanders, and rather irrelevant to the story and theme of the Heresy.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, the Orks and Eldar were present during the Heresy, but they're basically bystanders, and rather irrelevant to the story and theme of the Heresy.

Sure, but it's "Adeptus Titanicus: Horus Heresy", implying the the 30K setting is but the first stop along the line of "Adeptus Titanicus: xxx".
I'd be happy to see Chaos-edition of the existing titans released, followed by the first Xenos machines - Orks and Eldar being the obvious.

Yes, but I think there'll be a lot of Heresy releases before we see any aliens; I think seeing any Orks at all in 2019 will be optimistic.

It seems like it would be a really weird decision to invent a bunch of new Titan types wholecloth before introducing a second faction.

Latest on Legio Metallica artwork

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=metallica&tbm=isch&chips=q:metallica,g_1:logo,g_1:wallpaper&prmd=nvi&hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwjIg5Ppu6beAhVMuxoKHUixB38Q4lZ6BAgAECQ&biw=692&bih=232

*hangs head in shame*

changemod wrote:
It seems like it would be a really weird decision to invent a bunch of new Titan types wholecloth before introducing a second faction.

Third faction. Or more, since each Legio is its own faction. But it's not that weird if the focus of the game is the Horus Heresy. It's also what they've been saying will happen right from the beginning.

Before we will see Xenos Titans, they're highter Chances to see Epic in 2020.

Actually I'd expect to see Xenos before any return of Epic since Epic would 100% require xeno factions.

Not really. Epic:horus heresy would mirror how it originally started

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

changemod wrote:
It seems like it would be a really weird decision to invent a bunch of new Titan types wholecloth before introducing a second faction.

Third faction. Or more, since each Legio is its own faction. But it's not that weird if the focus of the game is the Horus Heresy. It's also what they've been saying will happen right from the beginning.

No, I can assure you it would be a second faction. The only reason there’s a Horus Heresy subtitle is as an excuse to have one faction, as making it loyalist vs chaos in the modern era would require releasing two factions up front.

Unless they -drastically- up the differences in later supplements, even the rules are no more different between legions than the effect of chapter tactics in the marine codex.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, but I think there'll be a lot of Heresy releases before we see any aliens; I think seeing any Orks at all in 2019 will be optimistic.

I think that's massively too optimistic. 2019 will be the releases following from Titan Death, possibly another HH era supplement late in the year, new Titans and Knights, and resin weapons. The new titans will very likely be resin unless they've already started and likely already finished them. SG have just hired a sculptor to put on AT full time, and he'll be starting with Titan weapon kits.

Bear in mind someone worked on the design for the plastic Warlord every day for months to give us that kit (and putting the whole thing in plastic instead of resin delayed release for more than a year), and the Specialist Games team is still less than 15 people across BB, Necro, AT and the other SG projects. For comparison that's the same size as the project team in the main studio for just the Sisters of Battle.

SG has proved they can get the sales, and that's why GW have given them the resources for plastics, but there will still be a lot of resin in the finished range for weapon options, knights and scenery, and the 4+ Imperial Titan classes they're going to bring back from the background and into the game.

I really want Gargants, but to be realistic late 2020 might still be too optimistic.

So don't wait. The community(I like Apologist's version) have already put together Gargant rules in the new style, and Orks are the most bodgeable, convertable faction. Or there are third party options.

I'm sure GW's AT Orks will be lovely, but as you say it'll be years before they get around to it and there's no reason to limit yourself to the "Official[tm]" stuff in the meantime(unless you're posting on a certain FB group... ).

Eldar are a bit harder, but I've already some some quite nice Knight conversions derived from Wraithguard and a couple of folk have said they're working on rules. Nobody seems to be giving the Nids any love rules-wise, but that's only a matter of time and their Biotitans can also be kitbashed from the plastic 40K range with a bit of thought & effort.

changemod wrote:
It seems like it would be a really weird decision to invent a bunch of new Titan types wholecloth before introducing a second faction.

We've probably already got a second faction on the way. Right now loyalists and traitors play more or less the same, with the only difference being the specific titan legion that you pick, and which side it's affiliated with. But that might change as we get further into the Heresy, with the traitor titans becoming more and more warped under the influence of Chaos. It's quite possible that we'll have a distinct second faction before we get either Orks or Eldar.

More distinctly Chaos bits will come before Xenos stuff. It's much easier to do some Chaos-ified armour plates and specific weapons than a whole range with multiple plastic kits.
But that's not in Titan Death, so somewhere in 2019 at the earliest for that.

 Breotan wrote:

mikesorensonxx wrote:
...they have the models for the wraithknight, revenant and phantom titan models they just have to adjust scale.

It's more complicated than that. The 40k scale titans were all made by hand, not CAD. They have to build digital models from scratch. That's why it took two years to get the Imperial stuff done.

Not quite true. In one of the sculpting interviews he mentioned having 40k scaled models made it easier by taking measurements off of them. Something is always better than nothing, and the design work is done on a 3d model as well. It took 2 years because they only have 1 guy working on the models and just hired 1 more to work on the accessories. There's only a couple guys it seems working on it.
I still don't see why they can't scan and scale down the 40k versions and touch them up. People are doing that on 3d printers to make the other weapons they haven't released yet.


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Heck, you could kit bash wraithguard and wraithlords as titans. Nids have tons of options. Orks I'm sure do too, we just need the rules!

Well, it's not just scaling it down. A lot of features don't translate to smaller scales. The design process is a lot more than just sculpting a 3D render. Have to make it fit on a pre-determined set of sprues, everything has to be placed in such a way to optimize the casting process to not get sink marks and whatever. It's a lot of technical work to bring the model into production.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, the Orks and Eldar were present during the Heresy, but they're basically bystanders, and rather irrelevant to the story and theme of the Heresy.

Ah but the Squats were there too! Anyone fancy a Cyclops, Colossus, Leviathan or Land Train?

(cricket chirps, tumbleweed blows by)

Oh just me then...

From what's been shared thus far, several HH supplements - as well as their associated Legios, weapons, Knights, Titans, etc. are in the works before they think about Chaos, much less Xenos.

Which is not to say that I wouldn't dearly love to see AT: Xenos on the shelves tomorrow. However, my guess is that we've got a bit of a wait.

The fact that the wait will involve new weapons, Titan classes, and more dies make it a big easier to stomach

mikesorensonxx wrote:
Heck, you could kit bash wraithguard and wraithlords as titans. Nids have tons of options. Orks I'm sure do too, we just need the rules!

FW produced rules ain't gonna happen. The community will have to do the heavy lifting here.

They will once FW expands to aliens. Or you think FW will just produce models and leave rules for players?-) Yeah right

Given it's Specialist Games not FW slating FW seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

And SG have been pretty good at producing content for Necro and BB, including more plastics (though AT so far involves the same or slightly more plastic design than Necro so far) so I don't see why you are so negative about it. It won't be an intense release schedule, but they are continuing support.

Ben2 wrote:
Given it's Specialist Games not FW slating FW seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

And SG have been pretty good at producing content for Necro and BB, including more plastics (though AT so far involves the same or slightly more plastic design than Necro so far) so I don't see why you are so negative about it. It won't be an intense release schedule, but they are continuing support.

Specialist Games is part of Forgeworld.

Ben2 wrote:
Given it's Specialist Games not FW slating FW seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

FW are the people producing stuff under the "Specialist Games" label.

I for sure love to see carapace bits, weapons and heads for the chaos titans before
any new titans types.
I still have these little gems of Slaaneshi knights
and titans sleeping in boxes, these were amazing.

Ben2 wrote:
Given it's Specialist Games not FW slating FW seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

Hmm let's see. GW treats them as one and the same and same guys are working on both. I wonder why people keep using term FW?-) Okay technically incorrect but in practice same thing. Bit like technically IG isn't IG but Astra whatever yet people keep referring them as IG.

changemod wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

changemod wrote:
It seems like it would be a really weird decision to invent a bunch of new Titan types wholecloth before introducing a second faction.

Third faction. Or more, since each Legio is its own faction. But it's not that weird if the focus of the game is the Horus Heresy. It's also what they've been saying will happen right from the beginning.

No, I can assure you it would be a second faction. The only reason there’s a Horus Heresy subtitle is as an excuse to have one faction, as making it loyalist vs chaos in the modern era would require releasing two factions up front.

Unless they -drastically- up the differences in later supplements, even the rules are no more different between legions than the effect of chapter tactics in the marine codex.

No, there's multiple factions that happen to use the same units (end not even then; Gryphonicus have two different Reaver variants that no-one else can get).