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Its probably been retconned by now. But I remember the original Epic fluff had the Orks being inspired to build Gargents after encountering Imperial Titans. I suppose any Heresy era battles against the greenskins could be written as the last gasps of the great crusade at the start of the conflict or as happening at the edges. But even factoring in the usual incompetence, for the Imperium to totally take there eye of the ball with the Orks until mid M32 they cant have been much of a threat during or after the Heresy.

Well some Orks were inspired that way- that was a particular band that used their Weirdboy to eavesdrop on Imperial battle communications. In other places in the same book, Gargants are bodies for Mork and Gork to inhabit and smash things up in.

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A big Ork Empire [described as the 'largest concentration ever' though the Beast thing may retcon that] was crushed right before the Heresy on Ullanor (where Horus gets the Warmaster title), which largely explains why they're nuisance level during the Heresy and its aftermath.

I'm a bit lost over this "Titan Death" thing. I understand its a Black Library book, regarding a big Titan battle, but what does it mean for Adeptus Titanicus? Is it an upcoming expansion?

Yup.

First expansion/campaign book.

Kewl!

Titandeath the book is out in 2-3 weeks. Titandeath the expansion will be out early 2019, probably to coincide with the Horus Heresy event on 2nd Feb

SamusDrake wrote:
I'm a bit lost over this "Titan Death" thing. I understand its a Black Library book, regarding a big Titan battle, but what does it mean for Adeptus Titanicus? Is it an upcoming expansion?

It's new retcon/fluff they've just come up with to 'explain away' why/where/when massive Titan-on-Titan battles happened and why Titans are relatively scarce in the 41st Millennium.

Neronoxx wrote:
The current system is robust enough to handle smaller armored divisions of tanks and what not, acting in a fashion similar to knights.
So ultimately, who knows?
Best we can do in the meantime is continue to sensibly support the game.
Speaking of, anyone know anyone who is ACTUALLY creating content for AT? There seems to be a large dearth at the moment.

I need a lot more games under my belt but I’ve started doing the math on Nids, I’ve always had an interest in biotitans.

My impression is that folks are still getting the measure of the game/rules.

We've only had all the Titan classes available for a few weeks now, and I'm still exploring how that all fits together before I start with new material.

Upgrading the Capitol Imperialis - both physically and rules wise - for AT18 will be one of my first projects to add to the game.

I think it'd be great to see superheavy tanks at least make an appearance, as Baneblades and Shadowswords are perfectly at home in an engine war, and can be treated just like knights. Hell lots of superheavy tanks can do more to a titan than a knight can, anyway.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-adeptus-titanicus-new-knights-and-warlord-weaponsgw-homepage-post-1/

The terminal incorporating rules for Lancers, Acherons and Castigators but not Atropos is pretty damn disappointing.

changemod wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-adeptus-titanicus-new-knights-and-warlord-weaponsgw-homepage-post-1/

The terminal incorporating rules for Lancers, Acherons and Castigators but not Atropos is pretty damn disappointing.

"They’ll be available this Saturday, in boxes of two, armed with shock lances and carrying ion gauntlet shields. And don’t forget your Command Terminals set so you can use these new Knights in battle."

To me this reads like you won't even get the Acheron & Castigator options in the box. So that's looking like two models with no weapon options, likely for the same price as 3 Questoris. Then the command terminals are extra and likely direct-only.

Does anyone know if the prices for these have been sent to retailers yet?

 xttz wrote:

changemod wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-adeptus-titanicus-new-knights-and-warlord-weaponsgw-homepage-post-1/

The terminal incorporating rules for Lancers, Acherons and Castigators but not Atropos is pretty damn disappointing.

"They’ll be available this Saturday, in boxes of two, armed with shock lances and carrying ion gauntlet shields. And don’t forget your Command Terminals set so you can use these new Knights in battle."

To me this reads like you won't even get the Acheron & Castigator options in the box. So that's looking like two models with no weapon options, likely for the same price as 3 Questoris. Then the command terminals are extra and likely direct-only.

Does anyone know if the prices for these have been sent to retailers yet?

We already knew this was a Knight Lancer box set, so the terminal having the other two types on it is kind of a surprise in the first place and why I’m a little miffed that Atropos are left off.

Especially since realistically, Lancers and Atropos are the two types likely to see use in Titanicus. The acheron’s gun here would primarily be useful against other knights, and the castigator falls into roughly the same trap as the knight warden.

I agree, superheavy tanks would be the best place to go for some non-titans. I think it would also help establish the feel of the scale on the board as well.

They'd be able to hurt titans more than knights, and at greater range, but the lack of ion shields and lower wounds will make them really squishy.

I personally hope they do not revise the game to do full epic. As of now, a single maniple is a requirement. If that is removed, you end up with the rock-paper-scissor problem of 40k. I think the game would be interesting as it is now, just with smaller units added in for support, scale, variety, and flavor.

SirWeeble wrote:
I agree, superheavy tanks would be the best place to go for some non-titans. I think it would also help establish the feel of the scale on the board as well.

They'd be able to hurt titans more than knights, and at greater range, but the lack of ion shields and lower wounds will make them really squishy.

I personally hope they do not revise the game to do full epic. As of now, a single maniple is a requirement. If that is removed, you end up with the rock-paper-scissor problem of 40k. I think the game would be interesting as it is now, just with smaller units added in for support, scale, variety, and flavor.

It’s been at least heavily implied that a supplement for knight armies is going to be a thing.

No weapon options for the Questoris knights makes sense though. They are either going to be fielded as lancers or shooty knights and I'd rather pay a lower price and pick between this kit or another one that I guess we will be seeing in the future. Sure it would be nice to have all the options in one kit but I would not be happy if it ended up costing the same amount as the Warhounds for example...

I for one am just happy that Titanicus is getting a bunch of support, bring on the Porphyrion next!

 Commander Cain wrote:
, bring on the Porphyrion next!

Oh yes please! Those are great looking titans and I look forward to when they appear in AT!

Its a shame you don't appear to be able to mix the different knights either.

changemod wrote:

 xttz wrote:

changemod wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-adeptus-titanicus-new-knights-and-warlord-weaponsgw-homepage-post-1/

The terminal incorporating rules for Lancers, Acherons and Castigators but not Atropos is pretty damn disappointing.

"They’ll be available this Saturday, in boxes of two, armed with shock lances and carrying ion gauntlet shields. And don’t forget your Command Terminals set so you can use these new Knights in battle."

To me this reads like you won't even get the Acheron & Castigator options in the box. So that's looking like two models with no weapon options, likely for the same price as 3 Questoris. Then the command terminals are extra and likely direct-only.

Does anyone know if the prices for these have been sent to retailers yet?

We already knew this was a Knight Lancer box set, so the terminal having the other two types on it is kind of a surprise in the first place and why I’m a little miffed that Atropos are left off.

Especially since realistically, Lancers and Atropos are the two types likely to see use in Titanicus. The acheron’s gun here would primarily be useful against other knights, and the castigator falls into roughly the same trap as the knight warden.

Maybethe acheron isn't far off. Gw likely doesn't want too long time for 3rd parties to be only source.

But with difference being just weapons maybe didn't want to release too many different terminals

changemod wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-adeptus-titanicus-new-knights-and-warlord-weaponsgw-homepage-post-1/

The terminal incorporating rules for Lancers, Acherons and Castigators but not Atropos is pretty damn disappointing.

These look a LOT better than Questoris for how I intend to use Knights. I'll have to test them out.

Less shot, less range, same strength. Those Castigator Cannon did not see the light of day.

Also apparently the shock blast come from the gauntlet shield now.

Chopstick wrote:
Also apparently the shock blast come from the gauntlet shield now.

That’s probably because they haven’t figured out how to put a melee and a ranged weapon on the same ‘card’ – while the actual shield effect is just a special rule for the unit.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Also apparently the shock blast come from the gauntlet shield now.

That’s probably because they haven’t figured out how to put a melee and a ranged weapon on the same ‘card’ – while the actual shield effect is just a special rule for the unit.

Literally just changed the text into Shock Lance (Shock Blast) or (Shooting) and the other one into Shock Lance (melee). Unless of course, rule writer want you to take the shield into other variant, like an Acheron with shield and flamer.

I dont think you will be able to mix and match based on the wording of the shield bonus rule at bottom listing "knight lancers" I think cerastus knights are set loadouts, so the shooting being on shield is likely more a space saver


Also my flgs is offering me £16 per box for pre orders so likely around £20 standard

Funny. I thought wording specifically indicates you can mix&match cerastus patterns. Otherwise "one or more cerastus lancer" would be bit odd wording. Wouldn't it be "cerastus lancers add 1 to saving throw" or something similar

I mean you can mix cerastus knights just not their weapons in response to "like an Acheron with shield and flamer."

I have hope that they actually listened to my suggestion on Facebook and released the castigator, lancer and acheron as a set and then release the styrix, magaera and atrapos as a second box..

But it kinda looks like the lancer is the optimum loadout tbh and the acheron is hilariously short ranged!

 SirDonlad wrote:
I have hope that they actually listened to my suggestion on Facebook and released the castigator, lancer and acheron as a set and then release the styrix, magaera and atrapos as a second box..

But it kinda looks like the lancer is the optimum loadout tbh and the acheron is hilariously short ranged!

At 12" move Acheron wouldn't have too much problem getting in range to use the auto hit flamer (or don't, they can be used to guard the Titans from incoming Knights) It's also the best Support unit atm to deal with other knight banner, that Warhound Inferno Cannon can now focus on more important target.

Chopstick wrote:

At 12" move Acheron wouldn't have too much problem getting in range to use the auto hit flamer (or don't, they can be used to guard the Titans from incoming Knights) It's also the best Support unit atm to deal with other knight banner, that Warhound Inferno Cannon can now focus on more important target.

Fair point, it could get a lot of hits in against a knight banner at the right angle - my preference would be to sacrifice 1 strength to get that extra range and the chance to double up any shots that are sixes.
For the melee weapon i like the +1 strength and +1 accuracy over the rending rule on the acheron chainfist - but different strokes for different folks i guess?

 SirDonlad wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

At 12" move Acheron wouldn't have too much problem getting in range to use the auto hit flamer (or don't, they can be used to guard the Titans from incoming Knights) It's also the best Support unit atm to deal with other knight banner, that Warhound Inferno Cannon can now focus on more important target.

Fair point, it could get a lot of hits in against a knight banner at the right angle - my preference would be to sacrifice 1 strength to get that extra range and the chance to double up any shots that are sixes.
For the melee weapon i like the +1 strength and +1 accuracy over the rending rule on the acheron chainfist - but different strokes for different folks i guess?

There were no guarantee that you would hit those shot, especially when the cover modifier was in place. Auto hit is a huge deal when the others suffer from ork-tier shooting.

Acheron is more versatile, while Lancer is a more durable frontrunner/distration carnifex.