schoon wrote:
While the debate over Epic 40k is interesting and pertinent to AT18 as a game, perhaps it's better suited to the Specialist Games Forum, as this is diverging fairly far from anything resembling a rumor.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I meant people should stop pining away about getting GW to bring back Epic. It never left, and there's ten times the material out there than what GW would release in the first years for a new Epic ruleset in their current release style.

It would be better to keep their efforts on producing for Titanicus, so that game keeps going, as there's lots of material still to cover for just titan combat.

SamusDrake wrote:
With the "minutes" from the opening post...

Future plans for Knights: will be adding more Knights, have ideas for some scenarios/Stratagems for Knight only battles. "20-30 Knights a side." "Andy wishlisting!" [i]

Now this one is interesting!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to give even one dollar to GW anymore to play Epic. Several other companies make awesome ranges of infantry and vehicles, and several versions of the official complete rulesets are available for free online, whether you want to play the original Epic or Epic Armageddon.


I for one would be more interested in Xenos titans for the existing ruleset.

Tavis75 wrote:
Was a little suprised to see that this months WD includes the rules for cerastus knights, basically a page containing images of the front and back of the card, with permission to photocopy.

I was less suprised to see the accompanying article claiming that Castigator Bolt Cannons were great for stripping void shields (even though they're str3 and therefore can't damage void shields).

Mind you, that rule did strike me as a little bit of a bodge when I read the rules, as it's a bit of an exception to the mechanics, that you have to remember. Would have seemed to make more sense to make it a weapon trait "Rubbish against shields" (possibly with a catchier name), as then it would be listed on the weapon card along with other special rules for weapons making it easier to remember, plus it could also then be used to create unusual weapons that are high strength but which can't strip voids (can't think of an example mind).

tneva82 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to give even one dollar to GW anymore to play Epic. Several other companies make awesome ranges of infantry and vehicles, and several versions of the official complete rulesets are available for free online, whether you want to play the original Epic or Epic Armageddon.


I for one would be more interested in Xenos titans for the existing ruleset.

Okay dokay. I'll bite. Could you show me where I can buy 6mm models that look like this:

Spoiler:

Or howabout this:



Or even this:

tneva82 wrote:
Mostly qyestoris terminals? 3 lancer, 2 questoris. Since when 40% of contents is mostly...

Need those anyway and photocopy isn't most sturdy so one pack doesn't kill me(especially as I don't buy WD so that's like half the price to be able to photocopy...)

And castigators and acherons seemingly are coming as resin upgrades for the lancer pack. Which brings idea it might be worth magnetizing at least some lancer arms

tneva82 wrote:
Vanquard miniatures don't look at all like those.

And secret you need to know the guy type of deals aren't answer either.

So. Answer was then Aegis was flat out wrong.,

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to give even one dollar to GW anymore to play Epic.

 Irbis wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to give even one dollar to GW anymore to play Epic.

Besides the fact that if AT sells well, once GW runs out of remaining Titans/Xeno war machines, the next expansion will be superheavy tanks, then most likely normal tank squadrons, giving you Epic in all but name, with modern, official, good looking plastic minis actually representing the setting without winking?

Or you can keep pirating and wonder why GW discontinues stuff that sells badly, then complain about discontinuations, while praising pirates that done nothing to further the setting but continue to leech money out of someone else's groundwork. Which is not terribly productive but whatever floats your boat.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Vanquard miniatures don't look at all like those.

And secret you need to know the guy type of deals aren't answer either.

So. Answer was then Aegis was flat out wrong.,

Oh, good god. Even actual 40k epic stuff didnt look like 28mm 40k stuff half the time. For nearly the entire time Epic was available in stores, Land Raiders didn't match the current 28mm model of a Land Raider. Either they were old Rogue Trader versions that weren't being sold in 28mm anymore, or they were the up-armored version that also didnt match the Land Raider when it was rereleased in plastic. Most Ork stuff used vehicles that hadn't existed since Armorcast made resin vehicle models for 2nd edition 40k, like the Spleenrippa.

But this thread should stay for Titans. There are a couple of awesome Epic 40k forums out there.

tneva82 wrote:
Vanquard miniatures don't look at all like those.

And secret you need to know the guy type of deals aren't answer either.

So. Answer was then Aegis was flat out wrong.,

 Irbis wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to give even one dollar to GW anymore to play Epic.

Besides the fact that if AT sells well, once GW runs out of remaining Titans/Xeno war machines, the next expansion will be superheavy tanks, then most likely normal tank squadrons, giving you Epic in all but name, with modern, official, good looking plastic minis actually representing the setting without winking?

Or you can keep pirating and wonder why GW discontinues stuff that sells badly, then complain about discontinuations, while praising pirates that done nothing to further the setting but continue to leech money out of someone else's groundwork. Which is not terribly productive but whatever floats your boat.

The Beta-Garmon campaign book is due for release in January and will come along with transfers for the titan Legions involved - although these transfers will take a few months of releases for them to all to come out. This book will also include new maniple types such as the Lupercal Maniple (clearly an uncontroversial name) that includes 5 warhounds - this may jump the queue to my new favourite maniple.

The plastic weapon upgrades sprues for the Warlord and reaver will also be new year releases but no confirmation as to when. They will also be the only weapon upgrades in plastic. All other weapons will be in resin but there was no idea whether that would be individual releases like Contemptor weapons or combined weapon packs like Necromunda. Currently, the quake cannon and gatling blaster for the Warlord are finished and the reaver warp missile rack is being worked on.

Discussion around the Mechanicum questoris knights took place. Specialist Games would like to do them but they are not an immediate plan - likely they would be resin upgrades to the plastic bodies and would have a separate terminal pack to reflect the unusual weapons and ionic-flare shields they carry.

Knight Household special rules are planned for future development.

There are plans for a titan Volkite weapon but this would be a rare relic and limited use within a maniple. Also, no idea yet which class of titan it would be mounted on.

General Specialist Games and Battlefleet (sad) news

I had a good chat about releases, future support and future plans. The Specialist Games team were very frank and open.

Games are divided into Tier One and Tier Two. Tier One games are games such as Blood Bowl and Necromunda that will continue to receive releases every three months - that could be models, supplements or gaming tools such as dice. These are the products that bring in the steady revenue and allow the games to grow and develop but also provide the profits to develop new games. However, that means the design team have to continue planning, sculpting and writing these products which reduces the time to develop new games. Currently, the design team is still small and time is divided between the three current specialists games of Bloodbowl, Necro. and AT.

So, how does this affect Battlefleet?

The original intention was to start Battlefleet this year. However... when the team sat down and planned out the resources it would take to get Battlefleet up and running including rules production, designing the classes of ship into CAD, designing counters and all the 'bits' of the game - they realised they would have to pull every member of the Specialist team off every project for the next year. This is due to the small size of the team and the resources they have. Clearly this is not possible if the other released games need continuing support to grow and develop with new releases. This means that currently Battlefleet has been shelved.

But...

Due to the success of all the Specialist Games (the Warlord and Reaver have been two of the most successful kits produced by GW this year) there are plans to increase the size of the Specialist Games team both in designers and rules writers. This will lead to an increased production capability that means that Battlefleet will eventually be worked on but not in the near future.

So, disappointing news but that can be tempered against the idea that the department is expanding and doing very well - possibly better than expected.

Tavis75 wrote:
Was a little suprised to see that this months WD includes the rules for cerastus knights, basically a page containing images of the front and back of the card, with permission to photocopy.