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Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

Ah ok cheers. Axiom it is then (as the last one doesn't have Warhounds, unless I suppose I pick a spefic legio that can sub out for Hounds?) Anyway, thanks for the info.

You could go for a Myrmidon and Venator, 1 Maniple 2 WL, 2 Reaver, the other 1 Reaver, 4 Warhound.

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

MarkNorfolk wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

Or you could prefer failing a 4+ or 3+ and end your order step altogether.

Ben2 wrote:
You could go for a Myrmidon and Venator, 1 Maniple 2 WL, 2 Reaver, the other 1 Reaver, 4 Warhound.

Yeah I figured I could fit them all across two maniples but having a single maniple with all the titans appeals to me (I haven't played any games, so if I do, I want to experience it with all possible big guys included. If I manage to play multiple games I'm sure that more specialised maniples will also become more interesting too).

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Sure, but eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Chopstick wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

Or you could prefer failing a 4+ or 3+ and end your order step altogether.

Well, I was comparing it to 'Axiom' where a failure isn't such a setback.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Knights banner is "Household Support" and is not part of the maniple, you can have as many Knight banner as you want giving that you actually have the point to spare.

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

Issue with myrmidon is opponents move out of arc and that bonus is pointless. Haid to keep stuff in arc. Particularly carapace.

Same thing keeps regalia plus void shield generator from being broken. Otherwise warlords with shield sharing, rerolls for saves and emergency repairs would be immune to guns. But need to turn keeps in check

Chopstick wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Knights banner is "Household Support" and is not part of the maniple, you can have as many Knight banner as you want giving that you actually have the point to spare.

Yes, I know, but I was wondering about those particular titan combinations, which IIRC are not possible.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

First no. 3 titan minimum(and that would be huge knight swarm or so small points are bigger restriction than maniples). 2nd yes(gryphonicus rule plus myrmidon. Grypho allows swapping warlord to 2nd reaver)

MarkNorfolk wrote:


Well, I was comparing it to 'Axiom' where a failure isn't such a setback.

Or you can just take Iron Clad Tyrant trait. Now that I think about it you should get your dice check for balance, and find the a new (not tampered) one that didn't give you more roll of 1. You will never find a perfectly balanced dice (for cheap) so at least try to find one that didn't give you higher odd of rolling 1.

I just dislike how most maniples seem to require Warhounds, which are ugly.

Warhounds are ace!


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It may also be an attempt to redress the buy in cost.

Two of the original are Warlord dependant. Which at £65 a pop is of course fairly steep. But if you make others more Warhound centric, you’re bringing that initial setup cost more palatable.

Well now you have 3 maniples that are possible with 0 warhounds

And that's not accounting for Legios that permit swapping titan types - so if you have the unfortunate poor taste of not liking Warhounds, you have options to play with lesser titans.

Oh, that’s interesting. Legio Gryphonicus Lupercal Maniple; 1 Reaver and 4 Warhounds all able to squadron up… possibly.
We really need that FAQ…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Oh, that’s interesting. Legio Gryphonicus Lupercal Maniple; 1 Reaver and 4 Warhounds all able to squadron up… possibly.
We really need that FAQ…

No. Squadroning is warhead's special ability. You don't have 5 warhounds there but 4 warhound and 1 reaver. It's not "reaver that counts as warhound". IT's reaver. It can be used to shoot in venator if warhounds knock shield, not to enable other reaver to shoot(this has been confirmed by the author of rules). It counts as reaver. Not as warhound and def not as warhound AND reaver.

Balance wise I'm most worried about the regalia and lupercal formation. 2 warlords with 1-2 warhounds for shield merging makes them almost impervious to shooting. I expect power fist/chainfist reavers and knights(in particular lancers that are best warlord killing knights for points) to become very popular if this is as good as it sounds. And 5 warhounds with tons of mega bolters will be stripping shields and then hit with tons of S7 which will hurt by sheer numbers. Especially from flank/rear. Enemy needs to drop several warhounds FAST or they are in trouble. Again knights will be popular(and some have been talking of replacing knights with warhounds! Let's see how these 2 maniples change that )

Not saying they ARE busted but those 2 are the ones I'm most worried about. Will need to try it out


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Longstrider wrote:
And that's not accounting for Legios that permit swapping titan types - so if you have the unfortunate poor taste of not liking Warhounds, you have options to play with lesser titans.

Actually that counted for it. Myrmidon, the new all reaver and axiom with reaver replacing required warhound. Leaves venator, the all warhound(well duh), regalia...Oh wait sorry indeed this one can do so indeed though that would be rather...silly. The other warlord getting automatic command is pretty poor ability as sole benefit. And you would be 2 warlord+reaver...same as myrmidon. Pretty sure ability to first shoot on 2+ for every titan is better than 1 warlord getting automatic command if the other pass. Reaver gets nothing.

Ooof... $52 for the arm frame. :/

I hadn't counted the legion titan swap shenanigans, so that helps, thanks for pointing that out. But I still think the maniple thing is super restrictive. It's like 7th ed 40K formations except you must use them for matched play. Considering that maniples give bonuses, I don't understand why there is not a n option to just not use one if one wants. Also, I find it odd that a single centrepiece Warlord with couple of Reavers is not some sort a maniple; seems pretty standard combination to me.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

You are correct in the army building being a bit restricted in that manner, but I would say it's nothing new in Warhammer: for decades 40k required 1 HQ and 2 Troops to begin with, Fantasy Battle required a Hero and 2 Core units. It's a starting point, just as "have three titans" is a starting point for an interesting game of AT. A game of maneuver is better with more than two moving parts, though you absolutely can ask your opponents if they are cool with you going without a canon maniple for the time being. That's what we did in our group before we had things ready, switching to maniples proper when the miniatures got along. The game is absolutely fine without the maniple rules, or many other bits you can add or drop depending on your tastes. They are fun, though, and I like the maniple system's restrictions. Then again, I also support restricted army building in games anyway instead of weird skews, so there's that

I can't believe the decals sold out that fast. I don't remember the first two sheets doing this.

 Sherrypie wrote:

You are correct in the army building being a bit restricted in that manner, but I would say it's nothing new in Warhammer: for decades 40k required 1 HQ and 2 Troops to begin with, Fantasy Battle required a Hero and 2 Core units. It's a starting point, just as "have three titans" is a starting point for an interesting game of AT. A game of maneuver is better with more than two moving parts, though you absolutely can ask your opponents if they are cool with you going without a canon maniple for the time being. That's what we did in our group before we had things ready, switching to maniples proper when the miniatures got along. The game is absolutely fine without the maniple rules, or many other bits you can add or drop depending on your tastes. They are fun, though, and I like the maniple system's restrictions. Then again, I also support restricted army building in games anyway instead of weird skews, so there's that

Yep. Especially as as fun as knights are they are still ignoring quite a bit of AT rules. Game of full knights and few titans isn't going to be quite as deep as one that has more titans. You are going to be missing soooo much.

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

tneva82 wrote:

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

Right. But that's not a maniple. And the smallest game suggested is only 700 points, which is impossible in matched... Those three titans and some knights is easily 1500 points which sounds like a fair sized game.

2 reaver plus warlord can be legal maniple. Here's all possible no-warhound maniples:

Myrmidon: 2-3 warlord, 1-2 reaver. With gryphonicus can be 1-2 warlord, 2-3 reaver
Corsair: 3-5 reaver
Axiom with gryphonicus: warlord, 2-3 reaver

Technically also gryphonicus Regalia with 2 warlord and 1 reaver but that's pretty crazy maniple as you are giving up big maniple bonus leaving only small help. Also fixed for 3 titans.

Still if you want warlord+2 reaver just take gryphonicus rules and myrmidon. At least one long range gun per titan(preferably 2, one for knocking down shields, one for punching armour) and you are set to go. Alternatively axiom provides you more reliability with orders.

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

Right. But that's not a maniple. And the smallest game suggested is only 700 points, which is impossible in matched... Those three titans and some knights is easily 1500 points which sounds like a fair sized game.

Actually it's 700-1250, which is a range of values. Normal Matched Play in AT is not "let's play 1000 points", it's "let's play at a range of 700-1250 points" and it's fine. The underdog gets extra stratagem points if the difference is sufficiently large.

The smallest maniple: Reaver (250) with two fists (2x20) and a missile (10) and two warhounds (2x180) with twinferno cannons (4x10) = 700. Bam, it's possible. The game shines between 1500-2000, in my opinion. Haven't tried larger than that yet.

Edit: though actually the smallest maniple nowadays is a triple 'Hound Lupercal at 600 points. Woop.