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Bunch of transfer sheets last chance to buy. Also reaver command terminals and weapon cards...

tneva82 wrote:
Bunch of transfer sheets last chance to buy. Also reaver command terminals and weapon cards...

Well that is, odd


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Spotted on B&C

Andy just said "looking into reordering them"

Very fast sellers then! Me thinks Titanicus is doing above expectations

Somebody on gw doesn't know what states "last chance to buy" and "temporarily out of stock" means if they can't tell the difference. Or gw went for dishonest marketing stunt to get pani_ buys but why start that now?

Is that just for terminals/cards or transfers also?

I suspect that temp out of stock is for stuff that automatically gets re-ordered/is internal to GW itself

Last chance to by should be for stuff they know isn't coming back

they probably need a 3rd category of 'we need to special order this printed stuff from another company, the head of finance needs to sign off on it before we know if it's happening'

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
And Middle Earth, too, now.

Negative; while ostensibly a Forge World Specialist Game, the Middle-earth team operates outside of and independently of Forge World and any non-resin releases (books, plastics, dice, etc) are GW proper.

Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - Legio Vulpa homeworld is Anvilus (exclusive fluff bit)
- - Titans are only let loose on worlds where they intend to level everything
- - In the Horus Heresy, whole Legios were destroyed - first time they were up against something their equal, much like the Space marine Legions
- - They have a long-term plan for many more supplements and products
- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - The missions in the book barely touch on the true scope of Beta Garmon - they hope fans will generate more
- - They've been meeting about resin weapons, and the Ursus Claw is getting higher on the list
- - They have started to consider Imperator kit for "someday"
- - Warbringer is between Reaver and Warlord
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
- - Beta Garmin has some interesting planets, with all sorts of hazardous elements, including un-exploded ordnance from test ranges to vaccum, etc.
- - They want to keep doing more campaign books
- - They will also start adding info on what Space Marine Legion fought with what Titan Legio
- - FAQ is on the way after Titandeath reports filter out (a month or two?)
- - For minor weapons, they anticipate doing PDF Weapon Cards
- - Campaign system gives you a means of linking your games - equipment, crew experience, salvage, etc.
- - Also give some guidance on map-based campaigns - ala Mighty Empires
- - They may do Legio-specific dice in the future

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Well, no, it would do the opposite of that, because if the sprues were a normal packaged product available through standard retail channels, it would be available with the same discount as the Titans...

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

 Yodhrin wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Well, no, it would do the opposite of that, because if the sprues were a normal packaged product available through standard retail channels, it would be available with the same discount as the Titans...

Okay let\s see. I want sunfury titan. I would need to buy full titan(65 and sprue(26). Even with 20% for both that means 52+20.8=72.8. As it is now I would pay 52.

Since when 72.8 is less than 52?

The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying. The new transfer sheets all include markings for Knight houses that have no official colour schemes beyond the ultra vague list(that gives a new/wrong set of colours for house Ohrlacc) in the back of the Titan Death book

I would imagine that's what the article in WD will be covering (hopefully)

Vorian wrote:
I would imagine that's what the article in WD will be covering (hopefully)

I certainly hope so, but its the sort of info that should have been in the Titan Death book. An extra page of colour examples for each of the featured Legios allied Knight houses would not have killed them.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying.

Why you need that? Just make up your own colour schemes. That' like half of the fun.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying. The new transfer sheets all include markings for Knight houses that have no official colour schemes beyond the ultra vague list(that gives a new/wrong set of colours for house Ohrlacc) in the back of the Titan Death book

I'm not sure if I agree with this, as I don't know to what extent they've covered all the art. I know that I have a large collection of Titan colour schemes saved from the net (eg stuff in this style https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/88/Legio_Atarus_Reavery-class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150609091025 , which seems fairly labour intensive as far as art goes, so I can forgive them for not having everything covered. Sure this is a Titan as opposed to a Knight, but they have so many Knight houses covered in codex IK, which again seems like a decent amount to me, stuff like this https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-60030108008-3.jpg )

If you want a specific Knight household with everything completely pinned down, or Households that are specifically linked to the Knights in the new book, maybe wait and see what comes, or just wing. For the specific markings, info for that can be found in this thread, stuff like this https://reader009.docslide.net/reader009/html5/20170731/553cb4be5503461c478b4adb/bg2.png and info here https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Collegia_Titanica (go about 40% down the page to "The Divisiones"), hope this helps. Personally I like to just make stuff up to avoid these type of irritations. I'm painting my legio Grey / Blue and using Tempestus heraldry, but the legio may or may not be Tempests, I haven't decided yet. No idea what I'm doing for Knights.

I don't mean to come across as particularly ranty but what's bugging me is it would have added a whooping eight pages to the Titan Death book to give examples of allied knights for the featured Legios. If you are one of those weirdos like me who wants to base there force within the existing background "just make stuff up" doesn't really help. Its especially frustrating when GW tease by releasing transfers for Knight houses that have zero information on colour schemes beyond the misleading and possibly wrong two colour list in the back of Titan Death(the list gives Coldshroud's colours as Blue/yellow and Ohrlacc's as Blue/gold).

Two supplements a year is absolutely brilliant news. Not pleased they'd let things go to LCTB so early in the game's tenure - they should be committing to keeping things in stock for at least the 2 years they said they had content planned for the game.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I don't mean to come across as particularly ranty but what's bugging me is it would have added a whooping eight pages to the Titan Death book to give examples of allied knights for the featured Legios. If you are one of those weirdos like me who wants to base there force within the existing background "just make stuff up" doesn't really help. Its especially frustrating when GW tease by releasing transfers for Knight houses that have zero information on colour schemes beyond the misleading and possibly wrong two colour list in the back of Titan Death(the list gives Coldshroud's colours as Blue/yellow and Ohrlacc's as Blue/gold).

Can't say I could relate. But then you just must choose a legio of which there is a sufficient amount of information already.

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

Sure, but for GW to say that all of the heraldry has a function and meaning, only to then decide not to publish any of that information is a little baffling. How are players supposed to know? Oh well, whatever... here's to Atarus transfer sheets released in 2020/2021.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3633 Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!!! I think I need to go lie down

In non triggered rant news, is that Coldshroud Magaera art new? Seems odd to show it if they are not planning to release them for AT. Unless its salvaged from the perpetually delayed Fires of Cyraxus?

 Eiríkr wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

What those are supposed to mean is that FW has put quite a bit of thought into the heraldry, however, they don't have the page-count or writing power to give us 2-3 pages on each Knight Household or Titan Legio.

The brevity of the fluff in the books is what allows them to target 2 supplements per year.

 schoon wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

What those are supposed to mean is that FW has put quite a bit of thought into the heraldry, however, they don't have the page-count or writing power to give us 2-3 pages on each Knight Household or Titan Legio.

The brevity of the fluff in the books is what allows them to target 2 supplements per year.

Then give us the sodding information for free. I mean, it's not like this is some Herculean task - have one of the minimum wage minions give an AT Knight a quick & basic paintjob in the house's colours(or, gak, just photoshop the same picture of an already painted AT Knight over & over), type up some tidbits from their apparently extensive super-sekrit vault of notes into like, a paragraph per household, and stick them up on WarCom in batches.

"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something." isn't a great attitude for an extremely premium product, especially one that's supposed to be selling itself with the "pseudohistorical" angle of the Heresy setting. Also, aren't they the ones that set the sodding page count? They're really completely unable to stick another 8-page sheaf into the manuscript and just push the price up to 25 quid? I'm fairly sure most of us are suckers enough to pay more for the books if they put enough background material in there to make them worth it.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Two supplements a year is absolutely brilliant news. Not pleased they'd let things go to LCTB so early in the game's tenure - they should be committing to keeping things in stock for at least the 2 years they said they had content planned for the game.

Well luckily it seems gw has changed what lctb means for them. Rather than literally last chance to buy it means just "buy now if you don"t want to wait a bit for restock"

 Eiríkr wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

Sure, but for GW to say that all of the heraldry has a function and meaning, only to then decide not to publish any of that information is a little baffling. How are players supposed to know? Oh well, whatever... here's to Atarus transfer sheets released in 2020/2021.

With regards to function and meaning, during the Twitch stream Andy Hoare explained you could use the transfers representing warlords / reavers / warhounds either as kill marks (on side panels, on weapons), or to indicate, on the banner of a particular titan, the composition of a maniple and place of that particular titan within the maniple.

Also Codex Imperial Knights does have some examples of specific heraldry and related meaning (e.g. chevrons).

Next WD has an article about Knight Houses, it is likely we'll see some bits of info there.

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

In all fairness I have yet to see anything a fan comes up with that matches the official product for depth, coherence, and (for lack of a better term) quality.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

Yup, heaven forbid fans of the setting being able to model stuff to be coherent with said setting, or being able to model things so that others can recognize the markings without being told, eh?

 Irbis wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

Yup, heaven forbid fans of the setting being able to model stuff to be coherent with said setting, or being able to model things so that others can recognize the markings without being told, eh?

Personally I think they've done an ok job. Sure the information is incomplete and very scattered, but we aren't talking Ultramarines here. This game is very young. For everyone that wants "8 more pages" there will be two others that want 12 more pages. Give this game 15 more years and we'll have everything covered

 Yodhrin wrote:

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

And this sounds positively awesome. So you don't need FW to spell this stuff out for you.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

Eh. There already is plenty of info. The 40K knight codices might be a good source for more details pertaining the knights.