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So not quite the replacement for an Acastus( in a lance ) but a step in the right direction?

Well, it's weapons and rules in 30k are entirely geared towards felling superheavies in close range. So, not really a replacement of the Acastus artillery platform. It'll be there alongside the Lancer trying to get in close where the Lascutter and Graviton Cannon will be the most effective. The Graviton Cannon itself is far more destructive than the Thermal Cannon so it's possible that it'll have some sort of shooting attack with a new special rule for Graviton effects. Either that or it could use Rending and possibly even Vortex as in 30K it had a 1 in 6 chance to go Vortex

They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.

Chopstick wrote:
They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.

I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).

New article up on the book and lore itself:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/23/the-defence-of-ryza-the-story/

Nice, hints at Dæmon engines, Dark Mechanicum and battles in the void

JWBS wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.

I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).

Acastus were never good in 40K, perhaps. In AT they were very obviously overpowered and house rules regarding them popped up immediately everywhere.

As Chopstick said, I doubt Atrapos end up TOO good after what happened with Acastus. The game isn't balanced around knights...even as they seem to keep releasing more knight models.

Besides the Lancer, the only knight that I actually like is the Atropos.

We need the rest of the variants for both Questoris & Cerastus chassis.

Maybe... someday...Infantry, Tanks and Warplanes... then a own new EPIC....

 gorgon wrote:

JWBS wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.

I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).

Acastus were never good in 40K, perhaps. In AT they were very obviously overpowered and house rules regarding them popped up immediately everywhere.

As Chopstick said, I doubt Atrapos end up TOO good after what happened with Acastus. The game isn't balanced around knights...even as they seem to keep releasing more knight models.

He's talking about 40K. AT doesn't have Armigers or Dominus or Atrapos.

I'm talking about AT, this is a AT thread,

It isn't hard to figure out the stat of the weapon based on existing one. But rule writer love to change some of them for "balance reason". Like Avenger Gatling cannon. Even the rule for Acastus weapons is wrong. At least the original rule writer (James Hewitt) took reference (except for the gatling weapon and Inferno cannon) from the 40k 7th ed rule. While the new one, he made up his own rule by looking at the weapons.

What happened with the Acastus was almost certainly about them (mistakenly) viewing them only in the context of limited numbers within Knight household armies.

I doubt they repeat that mistake, but who knows. We'll probably get even more Knights before we get more new Titans for Titanicus. I don't get it, but whatever.

They putting their resource and manpower into Aeronautica Imperialis atm, so AT release will be slow. Once they announced the next big game Battlefleet Gothic, which is even bigger than AI, release for both AT and AI will be slow down, unless GW expand the team.

 gorgon wrote:
We'll probably get even more Knights before we get more new Titans for Titanicus. I don't get it, but whatever.

They've already got the 3D models for the Knights so they just need to re-scale them. Any new titans need to be created from scratch.

I reckon the next Titan release will be a warbringer with variant weapons and heads

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon the next Titan release will be a warbringer with variant weapons and heads

Probably - the latest WarCom article has a Warbringer with a different head:

I like that better, I think. The head is the part I'm not in love with on the Warbringer kit. I think certain color schemes also aren't flattering for it. Looks nice in Vulturum colors.

I’m really liking the Vulturum scheme. Just as I decided on and bought the paints for Fureans too. Ah well, maybe if I ever do a second Legio.

 zedmeister wrote:
New article up on the book and lore itself:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/23/the-defence-of-ryza-the-story/

Nice, hints at Dæmon engines, Dark Mechanicum and battles in the void

It's interesting that they tease corrupted Titans but there's no indication that they'll get a big treatment in the book. You'd think they'd be hyping that like they did with psi-Titans. Maybe it's a few strats for now.

they'll save corrupted titans for the siege of terra.

Nah, what would be the point of saving them for the end? Siege of Kado is supposedly an upcoming book, and if you look at the old fluff (Hellknights and daemon engines galore), I think it makes sense that something corrupted appears there.

That reminds me, I’d also like to see the non-Nemesis “baby warlord” variant of the Warbringer at some point, where it has two (or even three) Reaver carapace weapons up top instead of one Warlord arm weapon.
I’d also really like a Nemesis Warlord, but statting up a Plasma Annihilator for use in-game ends in a bad place…

 Mr_Rose wrote:

I’d also really like a Nemesis Warlord, but statting up a Plasma Annihilator for use in-game ends in a bad place…

At the very least I'd want it to have a scatter rule saying it misses the table entirely and blows up the table of the guys playing beside you at the club.

On a more serious note, I wants to see Ork and Eldar Titanses, precious, and I reckon that would get many more people into the game. But I'm wary of the balance issues adding asymmetric factions could introduce. One of the great things about AT is that it largely self-balances because both 'sides' can mostly take the same units, so both sides can potentially abuse the same abusable things, so both sides have an incentive to come to a gentlemen's agreement not to go there. As soon as Orks or Eldar show up, that goes out the window. I'm not sure I trust the current design team to get that right; I'd rather Hewitt were still on board, but oh well.

I'm really surprised they haven't done Chaos Titans yet, at least as a cosmetic option. All they need is a new armour sprue and bam. But no, it's mostly Knights to the horizon, for some reason.

Agree that the releases that will follow this book are likely a Warbringer variant sprue, the Acastus variants, and a Mechanicum knight box down the road.

Maybe a new Titan class for XMas?

The year-long ramp up time for plastics means that today's releases are based on sales and meta from a year ago...

Zenithfleet wrote:

But no, it's mostly Knights to the horizon, for some reason.

Hopefully an early review might reveal a new titan in Defence of Ryza. And the Atropos might be a long way off from being released, as we are only just getting the Cerastus variants since they were showin in Doom of Molech last April.

SamusDrake wrote:
A new Cerastus is of course welcome, but would like to see a new Titan in DOR.

Not familiar with the Atropos. Whos he when hes at home, then?

Well with DOR in doorsteps and no sight of one we can safely say there won't be new titan. They wouldn't be so tight lipped about it if there was.

There's also no 40k sized new titan and there's no quarantee new titan comes first to AT. Warbringer came first to 40k after all.

New titan is 2021 earliest, quite possibly 2022.


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 gorgon wrote:
Nah, what would be the point of saving them for the end? Siege of Kado is supposedly an upcoming book, and if you look at the old fluff (Hellknights and daemon engines galore), I think it makes sense that something corrupted appears there.

First banelord appeared at around titandeath which is last major titan battle before siege of terra.

tneva82 wrote:

Well with DOR in doorsteps and no sight of one we can safely say there won't be new titan. They wouldn't be so tight lipped about it if there was.

There's also no 40k sized new titan and there's no quarantee new titan comes first to AT. Warbringer came first to 40k after all.

New titan is 2021 earliest, quite possibly 2022.

Ah thats that then. We'll have to wait a bit longer for the next expansion if there is one.

Still, there is always the Warbringer variant.

tneva82 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
A new Cerastus is of course welcome, but would like to see a new Titan in DOR.

Not familiar with the Atropos. Whos he when hes at home, then?

Well with DOR in doorsteps and no sight of one we can safely say there won't be new titan. They wouldn't be so tight lipped about it if there was.

There's also no 40k sized new titan and there's no quarantee new titan comes first to AT. Warbringer came first to 40k after all.

New titan is 2021 earliest, quite possibly 2022.

I'm starting to wonder if the new 40K FW index books are tied to some major new release, like a new 28mm titan chassis and/or weapon options. If FW aren't ready to sell those yet it could be the reason we haven't seen any details on the books.

FW will have a significant release backlog right now as they haven't put anything new out since Ursus Claws were unveiled.

 xttz wrote:
FW will have a significant release backlog right now as they haven't put anything new out since Ursus Claws were unveiled.

Which will hopefully not become the new atomantic pavise.

And I'm not sure why Ryza is getting cards and S&I didn't. I'm hoping there's a S&I 'catch-up' release down the road with cards, transfers, claws/lances, etc. But the ways of FW can be inscrutable...so I dunno.

Are Forgeworld producing anything at this time or are they still closed in that respect?

It is a single sprue duplicated, with the card terminal included, exactly as I have predicted. Those paper and ink cost more than plastic.