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 schoon wrote:
My guess is that the Volkite weapons will Akhtar in the Loyalist Legios book.

Assuming you meant “appear” there I’m not sure they will. I mean, there’s no actual new rules there that we are aware of so they could just publish the weapon card, or even pack it in with the kit from Forge World.

Chopstick wrote:
With the voidbreaker change to each hit, Knight Styrix banner will be the best shield stripper unit in the game.

I don't even think they'd be the end of the world either given how fragile knights are and the range is pretty short. At least forgeworld is aware they need to faq it now, or atleast aware they got it wrong rules as written.

 Crablezworth wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
With the voidbreaker change to each hit, Knight Styrix banner will be the best shield stripper unit in the game.

I don't even think they'd be the end of the world either given how fragile knights are and the range is pretty short. At least forgeworld is aware they need to faq it now, or atleast aware they got it wrong rules as written.

They'll be good unit, never said they'll be OP, currently they're overpriced.

Chopstick wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
With the voidbreaker change to each hit, Knight Styrix banner will be the best shield stripper unit in the game.

I don't even think they'd be the end of the world either given how fragile knights are and the range is pretty short. At least forgeworld is aware they need to faq it now, or atleast aware they got it wrong rules as written.

They'll be good unit, never said they'll be OP, currently they're overpriced.

Ya, tho I'd like to try running a couple dual claw.

Next issue of White Dwarf will be showing off two legios, as promised; Infernus and Prasagius. Eye candy incoming.

Warmaster Titan on pre-order next week - along with other bits and pieces.

Like the individual release of the core rulebook.

Intrigued by the Maniple set.

If it’s priced right, I might jump back in.

Reprinted Metalica transfers wooooo

Glad I didn't buy scalped up prices after I missed out the first time

Transfer rerelease as well - Legios Ignatum, Astorum, Metalica, or Solaria

Presumably that means we'll get a reprint of some Traitor transfers when the Traitor Legios book drops

I'm expecting too much for the upcoming Precept Maniple Battleforce box to be under £100, right? (given there's £195 worth of titans in there)

It seems £135 would be more like it...

beast_gts wrote:
I'm expecting too much for the upcoming Precept Maniple Battleforce box to be under £100, right? (given there's £195 worth of titans in there)

Yeah, probably expecting too much. If memory serves, the last version basically gave us the Reaver for free? I’d expect £150ish, before any online discount you might be able to find?

beast_gts wrote:
I'm expecting too much for the upcoming Precept Maniple Battleforce box to be under £100, right? (given there's £195 worth of titans in there)

the last one was £80 and that has, what, £140 worth of models? May be around £120-£130 mark

I think my hobby budget might be getting a bit stretched...

I don't own the Warbringer yet. Maniple bundle seem like a good way to get one or two, right?

 zedmeister wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
I'm expecting too much for the upcoming Precept Maniple Battleforce box to be under £100, right? (given there's £195 worth of titans in there)

the last one was £80 and that has, what, £140 worth of models? May be around £120-£130 mark

£100 according to Element’s website.

"This 176-page hardback book contains background information for loyalist Titan Legions and Knight Houses, revised rules for forming your battlegroups, and a huge number of sub-factions to draw your war machines from, including the mysterious Ordo Sinister Psi-Titans."


So they're revising battlegroups, interesting. Also has a re-print of psi titan rules which makes sense. 176 pages, it's looking pretty thick. Really hoping there's more artwork and or photography of games.

Also it seems they're making the rulebook available on its own. Not sure if the revised changes to battlegroups will be added, it looks like the hard back one in the starter box.


They're also doing a cool boxed battlegroup with a warlord, warbringer, reaver and two warhounds. Dare it be too much to hope for it to come with 5 card stock terminals? Probably.

They talk about the new transfers but the pic is wrong, it's the normal boxed transfers.




There's likely an article coming on this guy mid week, probably engine kill I would guess. "keep your eyes on Warhammer Community to learn more about this legendary machine later this week"


No sign of warbringer nemesis's belicossa volcano cannon, making me think it may be forge world.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
I'm expecting too much for the upcoming Precept Maniple Battleforce box to be under £100, right? (given there's £195 worth of titans in there)

the last one was £80 and that has, what, £140 worth of models? May be around £120-£130 mark

£100 according to Element’s website.

The one listed on Element's website seem to be the previous battlegroup (not available anymore - 1 Warlord, 1 Reaver, 2 Warhounds), which was £100 rrp. I would guess with £195 in value, we'll see something closer to £135-£140. The lower the price the better of course.

Unless the Legio book is any cop the rest will be a pass.

The rule book on its own is a bit puzzling as one still needs the other bits and bobs for the game to function, so one is still better off just getting the starter set. It also looks like the edition from the first rule set which isn't as up to date as the Starter's softback version.

The Warmaster is a welcome addition to the game but just not for me. It will be too big and too expensive.

The princeps box is disappointing. Its a dreadful option for beginners as the current starter set already offers plenty for a decent game as well as all the rules and accessories, as well as throwing in a support banner of knights. Its also overkill for an "experienced commander" looking to expand their force; Chances are they already have a volcano-lord and the hounds are already included in the Starter set while still being good value even when sold separately. Same goes for the melta reaver. Its also redundant if said experienced commander is a knight player. Would have been a better to include a Sunfury-Lord, Warbringer and the recent Cerastus Variants. That would have come in at around £110 and still have put smiles on our faces.

SamusDrake wrote:
Unless the Legio book is any cop the rest will be a pass.

The rule book on its own is a bit puzzling as one still needs the other bits and bobs for the game to function, so one is still better off just getting the starter set. It also looks like the edition from the first rule set which isn't as up to date as the Starter's softback version.

The Warmaster is a welcome addition to the game but just not for me. It will be too big and too expensive.

The princeps box is disappointing. Its a dreadful option for beginners as the current starter set already offers plenty for a decent game as well as all the rules and accessories, as well as throwing in a support banner of knights. Its also overkill for an "experienced commander" looking to expand their force; Chances are they already have a volcano-lord and the hounds are already included in the Starter set while still being good value even when sold separately. Same goes for the melta reaver. Its also redundant if said experienced commander is a knight player. Would have been a better to include a Sunfury-Lord, Warbringer and the recent Cerastus Variants. That would have come in at around £110 and still have put smiles on our faces.

...that's an oddly specific list of grievances, I have to say. This is about titans, which are there in a nicely varied bunch. This is also a full army, unlike your example that doesn't have the three minimum engines required for a maniple. Volcano-lords are great if you just change one arm for another weapon, given how Apoc launchers are about the best thing you could have in many scenarios. For experienced commanders who already have some stuff, this is also an efficient way to pick something they still miss from one army and then use the rest for another Legio (if the price is right). Really, all of these are just subjective musings when what matters is that this is an army in a box, one might find that useful for them or not.

The boxed army all just comes down to price, but if, by some miracle, they've included the card stock terminals and it still offers some savings it might be a decent route. I agree the second starter being so well priced it's hard to beat that as a jumping off point given you get all the stuff you need to play. I mean they don't even sell the dice on their own so you almost have to get the starter.

Other thing occured to me in terms of rulebook, they sorta need to move a few pages from ryza into it because ryza introduced the 3 factions and their separate abelites which seems relevant to all legios, custom or not.

Eh, faction abilities are rather lightweight extra. It won't really bother me if they are used in any given match or not, so their addition to the core rulebook isn't a very pressing concern in my opinion.

Selling the rule book does help lower the buy in cost, especially if you’re splitting the proper starter set(s).

 Sherrypie wrote:
Eh, faction abilities are rather lightweight extra. It won't really bother me if they are used in any given match or not, so their addition to the core rulebook isn't a very pressing concern in my opinion.

It's not a big thing agreed but it is a core change to the rules. Something of an incongruity with those who have ryza and those who don't, without even getting into custom legios.

beast_gts wrote:
I think my hobby budget might be getting a bit stretched...

I'm gonna be financially ruined this time next week. Two Warmasters and one maniple box, maybe a couple. Oh well, nice knowing you boys.

JWBS wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
I think my hobby budget might be getting a bit stretched...

I'm gonna be financially ruined this time next week. Two Warmasters and one maniple box, maybe a couple. Oh well, nice knowing you boys.

Do I need a maniple box while sitting on 3 boxed warlords in the past 2 weeks? Maybe, maybe.

 Sherrypie wrote:


...that's an oddly specific list of grievances, I have to say. This is about titans, which are there in a nicely varied bunch. This is also a full army, unlike your example that doesn't have the three minimum engines required for a maniple. Volcano-lords are great if you just change one arm for another weapon, given how Apoc launchers are about the best thing you could have in many scenarios. For experienced commanders who already have some stuff, this is also an efficient way to pick something they still miss from one army and then use the rest for another Legio (if the price is right). Really, all of these are just subjective musings when what matters is that this is an army in a box, one might find that useful for them or not.

With all due respect this sounds like a great deal for those who want a discount on buying all the previous titan kits in a single box but...

The current starter set already provides a mandatory maniple along with an additional titan and supporting banner of knights. That takes care of an army-in-a-box and provides all the additional components one will ever need for those units without purchasing additional material. I doubt very much that this new set will come close to its savings.

This was a simple one; just ditch the warhounds and include a single A4 page with legit maniple rules to use a Lord, Bringer and Reaver together. The rules for any maniple only require a third of a page - the rest is a fancy illustraition. Its not like they couldn't take an existing maniple and applied the substitute-a-titan rule from a custom legion. Chuck it in a future expansion book later down the line when this set becomes discontinued, or use it for filler in White Dwarf.

The only "design" put into this set was to dump all the existing titan kits into a single box to save on packaging. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but this will no doubt end up yet another "expensive bargain" that nobody asked for at £140. Meanwhile, that Warbringer variant is long overdue...

Nice box, one more titan box and you'll have 2 small maniples.

Nice to see the Loyalist Legios book coming out with the Warmaster.

Transfer sheets are welcome as well...