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 Crablezworth wrote:


I don't think there's another one coming.

Come now. Instead of another class of titan or knight( which I'm seriously tired of waiting for ) it will in fact be another sodding Warmaster variant that GW will try to convince us is a completely new Titan.

It'll probably be outfitted with a gigantic Nerf gun and feather duster.

 Sirius42 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 schoon wrote:
To the assertion that Psi Titans and custom Legios break the game, I'd offer the recent tournament results from Reactor Meltdown 2 in the UK.

Both of those options were legal.

A force with a Psi Titan did place 2nd, but custom Legios did not do terribly well.

Ah ok, thought it was no custom no psi titan, guess it's just no acastus or vortex then. Makes sense the psi titan doing well, especially placing so well, they're very strong.

Custom legios might have been legal, but at that event I played against one of each loyalist, traitor and custom traitor, the one against the custom traitor was pretty oppressive

I believe you, do you remember what their traits/strats/wargear was? I know I tend to skip custom stratagems and choose 2 traits and 2 custom wargear.

I agree the amount of choice, especially in context with maniple can really make some silly strong lists. But also, clearly all legios aren't created equal, but I can understand people's issue with making your own custom legio.

I still feel it's going to be more difficult to say no to custom legios and "yes yes my god yes!" to unlimited mutations. So I guess we'll see where things go. It's nice to have depth/complexity but I also feel like, for a game that had hard limitations on the wysiwyg side of things, ie having the weapons physically on the titans, it's easy for the other stuff to take the game away from a fairly visual experience. When I started out, what tended to dictate a change in my list from game to game was like getting a different weapon painted/built. After a few games, the consensus on knights was like "oh I get it, these are like ways to round off a list. I initially used tempestus rules, but eventually used custom once ryza book came out. My regular opponent went with tiger eyes, so that was one variable that didn't change from game to game. I've done my best to not change my custom legio rules from game to game but I get that's a massive concern for players.

There's also a strong sorta loyalty to one's legio rules because of the dedication to paint jobs. A lot of the concerns players have with custom legios seem rightly deserved, but I'd say concerns about "invisible" mutations are equally as warranted. In both cases unlike legio rules which are fixed, custom legios and mutations have very few limitations outside of players subjective willingness to engage with them. And they of course stack, to create a further complication. That I really really understand being potentially an issue because one could choose traits/wargear that potentially mitigates downside to mutations or even enhances already strong mutations, and of course there are good ole fashion things no one likely saw coming until someone tries it.


I really hope if/when we see a new titan, they don't pull the iconoclast card again and make it so "specialized" that it has artificial limitations. The fluff for the warlord's arioch power claw was it was initially conceived of for sieges and wrecking fortress walls, so this idea the iconoclast would be conceived for a singular purpose and not the individual weapons being conceived for their own purposes and assigned as always, based on the needs of the moment is just silly, Just watch the subjugator and jackal be the same body but like the warmaster, we're forced to pretend their different weapons loadout couldn't possibly be swapped.


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SamusDrake wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


I don't think there's another one coming.

Come now. Instead of another class of titan or knight( which I'm seriously tired of waiting for ) it will in fact be another sodding Warmaster variant that GW will try to convince us is a completely new Titan.

It'll probably be outfitted with a gigantic Nerf gun and feather duster.

Walletmaster titan. Only comes with one ancillary reactor card, card just says "you win".


But yeah, I've said it to death, the initial warmaster fluff was like "ok, whatever, fine, big robot" but the iconoclast fluff is just feels like someone else took over this game at GW, hasn't played it and thinks modularity gets in the ways of sales and like their other games surely the interns can bang together some boilerplate fluff cuz after all we're just selling models here and the obsessive will buy anything anyway. The krytos ones they showed in the warcom article look amazing, but honestly would look better with their arms swapped.

 Crablezworth wrote:


Walletmaster titan. Only comes with one ancillary reactor card, card just says "you win".

Exalted. And Well earned too.


As much as I'm frustrated with Titanicus, I'm putting aside a few pennies for the next round of releases. I've got this feeling that something "interesting" will drop next...

I mean, it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall when the new Warhound/Reaver/Warlord weapons weren't entirely swappable (yes, the Warhound was always limited, but a Gatling Blaster was the same on a Reaver as a Warlord).

 Nurglitch wrote:
I mean, it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall when the new Warhound/Reaver/Warlord weapons weren't entirely swappable (yes, the Warhound was always limited, but a Gatling Blaster was the same on a Reaver as a Warlord).

They didn't pretend the two warlord kits were different tho.

 Nurglitch wrote:
I mean, it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall when the new Warhound/Reaver/Warlord weapons weren't entirely swappable (yes, the Warhound was always limited, but a Gatling Blaster was the same on a Reaver as a Warlord).

It makes sense that larger chassis mount larger and more powerful weapons.

The iconoclast vs warmaster just feels like a crude balance mechanism to keep a carapace gattling equipped plasmamaster from flattening medium and small opponents in a single turn.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
I mean, it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall when the new Warhound/Reaver/Warlord weapons weren't entirely swappable (yes, the Warhound was always limited, but a Gatling Blaster was the same on a Reaver as a Warlord).

They didn't pretend the two warlord kits were different tho.

I'm talking about swapping between the Warhound, Reaver, and Warlord Titan kits. Where the weapons are specific to the kits, restricting weapons to particular configurations is the next step.

 Nurglitch wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
I mean, it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall when the new Warhound/Reaver/Warlord weapons weren't entirely swappable (yes, the Warhound was always limited, but a Gatling Blaster was the same on a Reaver as a Warlord).

They didn't pretend the two warlord kits were different tho.

I'm talking about swapping between the Warhound, Reaver, and Warlord Titan kits. Where the weapons are specific to the kits, restricting weapons to particular configurations is the next step.

The warlord weapons were never swappable with the smaller titans. Warhound and reavers shared some arm weapons, but the warlord has always had it's own separate pool of parts.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


...Warhound and reavers shared some arm weapons...

Sorry, but do you mean the Warbringer?

He might mean original Titan Legions.

Teeny tiny Knights. They are resin.

Eeeeeek I LOVE THEM


EDIT: Oh, they're resin. Meh, I hate them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/15/run-rings-around-towering-god-engines-in-adeptus-titanicus-with-these-cute-but-scrappy-knights/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=Model+reveal+2+Nov+15

Well, people wanted a smaller class…

Awws cute little titans!

Look Whisky! Tiny wee knights!

That’s right, Brandy. They’re almost….too wee. Aye. Too wee

Sigh....I'll sacrifice the warmaster for plastic armiger, who'd have more use in any team because cheap.

Atropos, armiger are resin, might as well make dominus resin and waste 2 years for another bigger titans...

Bah!

The Armigers ... come in two flavours, close-range Warglaives and dual-autocannon Helverins, and each kit lets you build two of the former and one of the latter.

Similarly, the Knights Moirax come with two Knights dual-wielding lightning locks, and one with a mighty volkite veuglaire and gyges siege claw.

So wonky weapon choices, and no Conversion Beamer or Graviton Pulsar...

Wow, that is unexpected

Okay, have we 100% done all of the knights? Can we get the Rapier now? Pretty pleaaaase!

Rihgu wrote:
Okay, have we 100% done all of the knights? Can we get the Rapier now? Pretty pleaaaase!

There’s still the horrible dominus knights yet...

Resin production don't have any affect on production of plastic, unless you want resin rapier titan, which is weird. MASSIVE kit like Warmaster however, will eat up a lot of productions slot for a lot of smaller stuff.

 zedmeister wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Okay, have we 100% done all of the knights? Can we get the Rapier now? Pretty pleaaaase!

There’s still he horrible dominus knights yet...

Oh. Oh no.

It's strange to me that the lightning lock is stronger than the gatling cannon (if I remember the stats of the gatling cannon right, it's S3?) even though they're both the same in 40k (S6?)

Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

SamusDrake wrote:
Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

Adding new units is a kick in the nuts? Wha?

 Dysartes wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

Adding new units is a kick in the nuts? Wha?

GW had the temerity to produce a tiny, niche unit in resin. Clearly a deliberate affront and provocation to the people buying this product line.

 Dysartes wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

Adding new units is a kick in the nuts? Wha?

Forgeworld. Again.

Seriously, we haven't had a plastic kit in over a year.

 Nurglitch wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

Adding new units is a kick in the nuts? Wha?

GW had the temerity to produce a tiny, niche unit in resin. Clearly a deliberate affront and provocation to the people buying this product line.

I'm both triggered and offended right now. How dare GW produce new products for a game that I play.

Don't they know it's supposed to be discontinued?!?

SamusDrake wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Yet another kick in the nuts for Knight players.

Adding new units is a kick in the nuts? Wha?

Forgeworld. Again.

Seriously, we haven't had a plastic kit in over a year.

Well the entire model line is forgeworld designed anyway for AT. Small things like this work better in resin - it holds more detail than plastic, though yes it won't be cheap to buy into.


That said I'm hopeful that its one more step toward GW running out of Imperial only designs and taking a titantic step toward Chaos Warped designs and Xenos.

 Overread wrote:
Awws cute little titans!

Knights