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I think new Titans with old Epic tanks / infantry will work fine. New Titans with old Titans less so.

I continue to be hugely excited for this, and hope it proves so popular we get the whole 40K range in plastic, over the next couple of decades.

Dear GW, if you are reading - do the above, it will not gut your 40K sales, in a survey of one player (me) I took, I found I am willing to spend little or nothing on 40K in the future, but everything I have on new Epic. Think on.

 Darkjim wrote:
I think new Titans with old Epic tanks / infantry will work fine. New Titans with old Titans less so.

I continue to be hugely excited for this, and hope it proves so popular we get the whole 40K range in plastic, over the next couple of decades.

Dear GW, if you are reading - do the above, it will not gut your 40K sales, in a survey of one player (me) I took, I found I am willing to spend little or nothing on 40K in the future, but everything I have on new Epic. Think on.

Do we think the old Eldar Titans will work as Wraith Knights in terms of scale?

I wonder if they will release rules for old Epic models like they have for Necromunda / Blood Bowl...

Probably not. They were quite clear at the open day that this is a game about Imperial Titans during the Heresy. Infantry, tanks, aliens - all a distraction from the core idea, of giant gothic robots blowing each other up.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Probably not. They were quite clear at the open day that this is a game about Imperial Titans during the Heresy. Infantry, tanks, aliens - all a distraction from the core idea, of giant gothic robots blowing each other up.

That's what they said about the original game

 Darkjim wrote:
I think new Titans with old Epic tanks / infantry will work fine. New Titans with old Titans less so.

The new Titans are going to be on the scale of Knights in 40k, so if you're happy with such large models you could just use an Imperial Knight as a Warlord or a Wraithknight as Phantom.

Granted I am both excited for AT and also have a couple of old Epic armies, I just don't see AT as a brilliant option for filling out my Epic armies.

FW did actually make a few Epic scale models which they stopped producing a few years ago, I have a few 6mm scale Warhounds from FW I still need to get around to painting.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
I think new Titans with old Epic tanks / infantry will work fine. New Titans with old Titans less so.

The new Titans are going to be on the scale of Knights in 40k, so if you're happy with such large models you could just use an Imperial Knight as a Warlord or a Wraithknight as Phantom.

Granted I am both excited for AT and also have a couple of old Epic armies, I just don't see AT as a brilliant option for filling out my Epic armies.

FW did actually make a few Epic scale models which they stopped producing a few years ago, I have a few 6mm scale Warhounds from FW I still need to get around to painting.

I think DarkJim has the right of it - as long as you haven't got the same class of titan alongside each other then there shouldn't be an issue. Especially if you think of the artistic lisence taken with the size of titans in artwork (with infantry as barely recognisable ants next to the absolutely humongous titans). It's very much down to what you think is the 'right' scale.

Certainly there has been a lot of discussion amongst the Epic community, even with some people doing some CG mock-ups of what the scales will look like alongside each other, and the general consensus is that even for 8mm infantry/tanks it wouldn't look out of place alongside the existing 6mm. Let alone the titans which have varied so massively in terms of their conception and representation in the old artwork.

Just skimming, but it looks like no actual news since Hewitt's interview? Just a scale discussion?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Just skimming, but it looks like no actual news since Hewitt's interview? Just a scale discussion?

Including this post here ^ - then yes, correct!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Just skimming, but it looks like no actual news since Hewitt's interview? Just a scale discussion?

Including this post here ^ - then yes, correct!

Just making sure I'm a wee bit barmey about this game...

Hey, same here!

I'm in it for the sweet Titan on Titan battle and I'm hoping that it eventually leads to more things in this scale, so we can expand our battles and wage war in the 30th - 40th centuries in the scale that we should be waging it in, and get the Apocalypse out of 40K!

 Pacific wrote:
Certainly there has been a lot of discussion amongst the Epic community, even with some people doing some CG mock-ups of what the scales will look like alongside each other, and the general consensus is that even for 8mm infantry/tanks it wouldn't look out of place alongside the existing 6mm. Let alone the titans which have varied so massively in terms of their conception and representation in the old artwork.

Yeah sure, 6mm vs 8mm isn't a big difference. I think in reality Epic models varied from about 5mm to 8mm scale for the infantry and probably 3mm to 6mm for vehicles (never really checked vehicles that closely, just knew they were in general undersized, but then so are 40k vehicles). If you see the plastic Chaplain in the old Space Marine sprue, he stood head and shoulders above the other infantry for some reason.

Epic was never very consistent.

BUT... an 8" Warhound isn't "8mm" scale, it's more like 10mm to 11mm. That's a pretty massive difference IMO and pushing beyond the limits of being too far different.

Especially when you consider Epic was more often undersized than oversized (Epic flyers look terrible next to FW's Aeronautica Imperialis flyers for example, even though AI was genuinely 6mm scale).

Sure, an old Epic Warlord was a bit undersized, but making it more than 3 times bigger is going a long way the opposite direction

FW historically have been pretty self-consistent with their scaling, if you look at the vehicles, titans and aircraft from Aeronautica Imperialis they are all pretty much 1/300th (or was it 1/285, I forget) of their "real world" sizes.







But all that stuff aside, personally I think a larger scale like AT is going to be is actually better for infantry. If AT isn't going to have infantry then I would have preferred it to be 6mm if not smaller. Not really seeing the advantage of going so big for titans. At the size they are quoting a small AT collection is barely going to fit on 1 shelf of an ikea glass cabinet

This 8 inch stuff is based on James Hewitt just picking a number on the spot.

They've been pretty consistent in saying it's going to be 8mm.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
(Epic flyers look terrible next to FW's Aeronautica Imperialis flyers for example, even though AI was genuinely 6mm scale).

Using the "real" sizes presented in the AI rulebook, the Thunderbolt was a different scale to the Barracuda. And it wasn't an insignificant difference, either; something like 1:250 rather than 1:300.


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Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now, thanks to Dropzone Commander. More variety than is available in 6mm.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
(Epic flyers look terrible next to FW's Aeronautica Imperialis flyers for example, even though AI was genuinely 6mm scale).

Using the "real" sizes presented in the AI rulebook, the Thunderbolt was a different scale to the Barracuda. And it wasn't an insignificant difference, either; something like 1:250 rather than 1:300.

I just measured my AI Thunderbolt at a smidge over 50mm, in the book they say it's 14.2m, so the Thunderbolt is 1/285 scale. 1/285 is legit for 6mm scale which is usually between 1/285 and 1/300.

I don't have an AI Barracuda model to check, but the book lists the Barracuda as being 11.4m long, so it should be about 40mm long in AI.

The models I've measured from AI all seemed pretty close to the same scale, maybe some of the ones I didn't own were a bit off.

Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now, thanks to Dropzone Commander. More variety than is available in 6mm.

10mm has it's advantages, but if GW is only going to stick to Titans I'd rather they drop it to something a bit smaller. An 8" Warlord is pretty big, that would make an Imperator about the size of 40k scale Warhound Titan.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now, thanks to Dropzone Commander. More variety than is available in 6mm.

Which makes it even more weird they went there as GW wants LESS compatibility with 3rd party companies, not more.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now...

And plastic (see me sig) !

tneva82 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now, thanks to Dropzone Commander. More variety than is available in 6mm.

Which makes it even more weird they went there as GW wants LESS compatibility with 3rd party companies, not more.

The GW of three/four years ago, perhaps. But, I think they have moved on from that phase, and will release something now if it's a cool idea.

I know of some people that use DZC terrain for Epic (the buildings and city maps especially), and it actually seems to work pretty well, despite the 4mm scale difference.

You never know what GA might do with this game.. They're adding Squats and Eldar at a limited degree to Necromunda . So we might see Eldar titans and Ork Gargants in the near future .

 Pacific wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Going bigger means scenery's easier to find. There's masses of card, MDF and resin 10mm urban scenery available now, thanks to Dropzone Commander. More variety than is available in 6mm.

Which makes it even more weird they went there as GW wants LESS compatibility with 3rd party companies, not more.

The GW of three/four years ago, perhaps. But, I think they have moved on from that phase, and will release something now if it's a cool idea.

I know of some people that use DZC terrain for Epic (the buildings and city maps especially), and it actually seems to work pretty well, despite the 4mm scale difference.

You can still see the attitude in their actions. They haven't changed there one bit. Still consider themselves as The Only True Hobby with other companies being leeches that should just die in face of their awesomeness.

odinfellhammer wrote:
You never know what GA might do with this game.. They're adding Squats and Eldar at a limited degree to Necromunda . So we might see Eldar titans and Ork Gargants in the near future .

They wrote one line about ambassadors visiting. That does not mean they are adding them to the game

In the near future, I think what we'll see are new titans. They already said that some of the old variants (Deathbringer, Nemesis, Eclipse and Nightgaunt for the Warlord, Hun, Goth and Vandal for the Reaver, Wolf and Mastiff for the Warhound) will now be separate classes by themselves (so finally, more than class of Imperial scout titan!).

I wonder if they'll do the Daemon engine titans like the Banelord?

The great advantage of the Heresy setting for GW is still the same as it was all those years ago with the first AT game. Both sides used the same equipment. The new game could get by fine with just three model kits and some terrain. But fingers crossed we will eventually see variants of the classic three as well as "new" classes of Titan that have been lost to the mists of time post heresy.
One type I'd really like to see FW/GW attempt is the tri legged titan from one of the Beast arises books. The author(Gav thorp IIRC) mentioned in an interview that it was something put in just for fun. But then that's how the Mastodon started out as well

Yeah, Traitor forces could easily be represented by a spiky bits sprue that adds to the basic Imperial models, or obviously early Heresy titans would just be a matter of paintjob. Adeptus Titanicus (at least Imperial vs. Traitor) is the one game GW could make that would work perfectly fine with a single sculpt of a single line of models, provided they get a nice selection of weapons options. Even the Horus Heresy 28mm boxed game marines are best built with embellishments like Space Wolf accessories, etc, because even each Chapter had differences.

Depending on how they break up the sprue, if they put say the torso and legs assemblies on one sprue, weapons (with plenty of options) on a second, and armor plating nad head options on a third for the warlord, they could easily swap out the last sprue for say a Mars Imperial for Lucius Imperial, Chaos Banelord, or Chaos Plaguelord with a single sprue.

I doubt they'd do that. More likely they'll just make resin kits for the different patterns like they did for the Blood Bowl teams.

Concerning all the scale/size discussions, I'm going to have to wait and see what things look like.

While rumors are fun, they can also wind people up for (sometimes) no good effect.

I'm happy to see this come back in any form. Cool new minis, regardless of scale, are a bonus.

Wise thoughts, schoon, I wish I'd had that restraint

I would simply be happy for a single plastic sculpt of Mars pattern Warhound, Reaver, and Warlord, with a good selection of weapon arms for each. I can easily do Traitor coversions on my own.