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Can we get spoiler tags on the pics for the mobile viewer?

I'm so excited for this I can't even get my Speedos on

 KTG17 wrote:


I am not saying there wont be some initial excitement, but its not going to be the game most who are familiar with epic are hoping for.

But what about those familiar with Adeptus Titanicus? Because Epic =\= AT. Or about all those people, and there must be a lot of them, too young to remember?

It's like GW said they were going to release a titan game, designed a titan game, and you're annoyed that it's a titan game?

As with all things GW, they have infinite capacity to cock things up, but you seem to have condemned things to failure, if only personally, very early, even for a N+R thread, where the sky falls on a daily basis.

Ok well lets just note the date and time on this, then we'll check back here in a year.

Been through, what, now my 5th iteration of Epic. I think I know a thing or two about its successes and failure.

But lets see how this plays out.

 KTG17 wrote:

THAT IS EPIC.

*yawn* And this is a thread about Adaptus Titanicus. Might as well start posting in Necromunda, Shadow war Armageddon and Kill Team threads about how those games are not 40k.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

THAT IS EPIC.

*yawn* And this is a thread about Adaptus Titanicus. Might as well start posting in Necromunda, Shadow war Armageddon and Kill Team threads about how those games are not 40k.

And here I thought we were talking about Adeptus Titanicus. But ok, like I said. Some of you are really excited about moving 10 inch warlords 2 feet and blowing each other up at point blank range. Should be exciting.

 KTG17 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

THAT IS EPIC.

*yawn* And this is a thread about Adaptus Titanicus. Might as well start posting in Necromunda, Shadow war Armageddon and Kill Team threads about how those games are not 40k.

And here I thought we were talking about Adeptus Titanicus.

We are, you are talking about a thing this isn't.

Also the whole "range isn't realistic" argument is going to crumble quickly in a discussion of almost every game this board might have an interest in, a degree of abstraction is needed in almost every instance, and as long as it plays well, verisimilitude can take a back seat AFAIC.

Well, we just have to hope that AT can somehow become as enormous as Epic is right now.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

THAT IS EPIC.

*yawn* And this is a thread about Adaptus Titanicus. Might as well start posting in Necromunda, Shadow war Armageddon and Kill Team threads about how those games are not 40k.

“Wow this game looks terrible, there’s no submarines at all!”


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 gorgon wrote:
Well, we just have to hope that AT can somehow become as enormous as Epic is right now.

You guys got me pumped. Can't wait for this game.

 KTG17 wrote:
You guys got me pumped. Can't wait for this game.

Well, that's our job. Anything else we can do for you?

 gorgon wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:
You guys got me pumped. Can't wait for this game.

Well, that's our job. Anything else we can do for you?

Maybe check the Rogue Trader thread, he might head there next to post about the lack of Zoats.

Edited for language - BrookM

Well, I just want to conform to what the vocal masses want. So do the masses want the Zoats? I've always been a fan. But if Nostromodamus says we should move on that will probably make the Rogue Trader thread even better.

If epic does make a come back I would imagine they will move the scale to 8mm at least. The 6mm infantry models looked awful and were impossible to paint. These Titan models look a joy to paint. Also moving both games to 8mm kills off people reusing models from the old versions of the game. Something that I’m sure GW will be keen to combat.

 Knockagh wrote:
If epic does make a come back I would imagine they will move the scale to 8mm at least. The 6mm infantry models looked awful and were impossible to paint. These Titan models look a joy to paint. Also moving both games to 8mm kills off people reusing models from the old versions of the game. Something that I’m sure GW will be keen to combat.

Seriously, that particular point has not been valid for years and years, now:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
If epic does make a come back I would imagine they will move the scale to 8mm at least. The 6mm infantry models looked awful and were impossible to paint. These Titan models look a joy to paint. Also moving both games to 8mm kills off people reusing models from the old versions of the game. Something that I’m sure GW will be keen to combat.

Seriously, that particular point has not been valid for years and years, now:

Those are not official models though. Old GW Epic infantry looked awful.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Those are not official models though. Old GW Epic infantry looked awful.

Yes. Same as the original Warlord models were awful. Neither should be used to decide wether you need to move to change scale or not, because GW's plastic manufacturing ability is magnitudes better. But here we are, and people always say that the move is because 6mm infantry miniatures can't be done to look good.

Nevermind that this game won't have infantry.

Yeah but the person wasn't saying that they couldn't be done right, they were saying that the ones that DID exist looked awful.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Yeah but the person wasn't saying that they couldn't be done right, they were saying that the ones that DID exist looked awful.

He was saying that he would imagine that if Gw moved on with epic the scale would be 8mm or bigger because "the 6mm infantry models looked awful and were impossible to paint". I certainly read it as cause effect. But ok.

 KTG17 wrote:
Some random grabs from the internets:

Spoiler:

If AT was going to lead into some of what is above, I would be really stoked. I just don't see how that's going to happen. And if it isn't, no one is going to be playing AT a year from now.

Look at this beauty! And this is for a game scale using Warlords more than HALF the size of the new ones. . . (new warlords look to be about as tall as that large double building towards the back of the table)

THAT IS EPIC.

And true EPIC fans will just use the new Titan models with their old armies and get new players to buy models made by third party manufacturers. The game has continued to exist and be played without support, just like BloodBowl, Necromunda, Mordheim and others. This is meant to be a titan fight, if they can develop EPIC to match with it I’m sure they will, but that will be a massive undertaking and they want to get all the specialist games out. EPIC being the biggest (sku wise) will take longer to developer, but they can do it slowly while still getting other games going.

 Albertorius wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Yeah but the person wasn't saying that they couldn't be done right, they were saying that the ones that DID exist looked awful.

He was saying that he would imagine that if Gw moved on with epic the scale would be 8mm or bigger because "the 6mm infantry models looked awful and were impossible to paint". I certainly read it as cause effect. But ok.

He also pointed out that it would be a way to drive more sales and be a way to have GW keep older models out and sell new ones.

The photos that KTG17 shared showed exactly why they decided to do adeptus Titanicus. With Necromunda and Bloodbowl a major complaint has been the slow release rate of the teams. Looking at bloodbowl they are struggling to balance the desire for new teams with people's needs for boosters.
Epic even if it was Horus Heresy focused would be a much bigger problem.
To have a functional game that can justifiably be called Epic, they would need titans, Knights, super heavies, regular tanks, and at least 3 infantry types. We are talking at least a dozen box sets to play the kind of game people would want.
It would be a massive investment by the studio and a huge risk.
By doing Adeptus Titanicus they have ave had just one man do the sculpting duties while letting the rest of the team work on their commitments to bloodbowl and Necromunda.

If the game blows up it, there is plenty of opportunities for expansion, whether by adding different races or by expanding into super heavies and flyers.
By explicitly not promising epic they will not buckle under the expectation of people KtG17.
Ps. I love epic and literally have 80% of the models in the pictures KtG17 shared but that does not stop me from being very very excited for this game.

Whats all this "Epic" people doing in my Adeptus Titanicus thread?

 Mymearan wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If I'm understanding this right, this new game is starting out as a new version of Titan Legions but without all the supporting units. I remember something about the FW guys eventually wanting to expand it to the full Epic line but I may just have misread something.

Well no, it's a reimagining of the 1988 game Adeptus Titanicus, which had only titans and no supporting units.

Actually, we're both a little off on this (although you're closer). Adeptus Titanicus had a dozen "beetleback" Warlords and some terrain while Titan Legions had the Knights. Man, I can't wait to see what Forge World does with the Imperator design whenever they decide to get around to it.

To be honest I don't care at all about epic, never did. This game was never going to be like epic. It's Titanicus, a different new game inspired by the original AT. The focus of this game is around titans and immense war machines. I'm sorry if folks wanted epic instead, but i'd rather see new titan types than tanks/ flyers etc. This game was designed around titans fighting, not to be a titan game they could gradually phase into a new larger version of epic.

Also if I bought this game and they gradually bloated it and turned it into something like that, i'd be pretty annoyed.

I played a lot of Space Marine and Epic 40K back in the day, although AT was a little before my time. I have to say that, looking back, I think those games would have been more interesting if the focus was more on the Titans.

With Epic 40K, the troops and vehicles just felt like a bunch of numbers that you could make a large blob out of and the titans were pretty simplistic with how they worked. The game just didn't really have many amazing moments and felt a little hollow. You could of course play very large games in a fairly short amount of time.

Space Marine was perhaps more fun in retrospect because some units had their own special rules, although it was the titians that really made the game for us.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make a full Epic remake down the road, but I think it would be cool to keep the focus on the titans this time. Having lots of funky roll-tables for machine spirits going on the rampage or lucky shots exploding the magazine will make for some memorable moments.

 Thargrim wrote:
To be honest I don't care at all about epic, never did. This game was never going to be like epic. It's Titanicus, a different new game inspired by the original AT. The focus of this game is around titans and immense war machines. I'm sorry if folks wanted epic instead, but i'd rather see new titan types than tanks/ flyers etc. This game was designed around titans fighting, not to be a titan game they could gradually phase into a new larger version of epic.

Also if I bought this game and they gradually bloated it and turned it into something like that, i'd be pretty annoyed.

For what it's worth, I completely agree. And I also love the choice of 8mm scale. I don't think I've been this excited for a new release since...well, probably since they launched the Primaris Marines, honestly.

It's unfortunate that they changed the scale. Doesn't effect me since I never played Epic, but always wanted to.

Anyway still really looking forward to this, have been for a while. Models look really great, they oughta be a lot of fun to build and paint. Hopefully they are easy to magnetize so you can swap weapons around easily, or better yet they took that into account and will make them plug & play.

 Necros wrote:
It's unfortunate that they changed the scale.

I'm going to disagree. 8mm instead of 6mm doesn't seem like much of a difference but you can easily see the size difference and the amount of detail the larger models are capable of. These things are going to be pure joy to paint and play.

As for Epic, the current range still exists and there's plenty out there for fairly cheap. As long as you like the Lucius pattern that is.

I am excited to see this finally coming out. I had a lot of fun with epic space marine/titan legions many years ago (though AT was before my start).

I am curious to see how the necro/BB release model is adapted for AT. I am glad to see terrain as part of the initial release as well. I would love to see the return of epic if it captured the feel of the older versions, but that would be a challenging endeavor. I think the best route would be to continue the heresy theme and start with just marines, but there would be so many frustrated people it is possibly a bridge too far.