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Man... WG+DS Archon+Farseer/Shadowseer is disgusting...

Puts a premium on opponent to try to get invis or other mitigation factors...

Quick rules question in regards to the Yncarne, Visarch, and Yvraine.

Can I take ONE of them in a CWE CAD, is that even possible. Or do I have to take the Triumvirate formation in order to add them to my CWE force?

EldarExarch wrote:
Quick rules question in regards to the Yncarne, Visarch, and Yvraine.

Can I take ONE of them in a CWE CAD, is that even possible. Or do I have to take the Triumvirate formation in order to add them to my CWE force?

Yes. They may be included in any CWE, DE, or Harley detachment.

 jifel wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
Quick rules question in regards to the Yncarne, Visarch, and Yvraine.

Can I take ONE of them in a CWE CAD, is that even possible. Or do I have to take the Triumvirate formation in order to add them to my CWE force?

Yes. They may be included in any CWE, DE, or Harley detachment.

Visarch and yvrain are HQ options for dark eldar, CWE and harlies while the yncarne is a lord of war choice

 Mantle wrote:

 jifel wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
Quick rules question in regards to the Yncarne, Visarch, and Yvraine.

Can I take ONE of them in a CWE CAD, is that even possible. Or do I have to take the Triumvirate formation in order to add them to my CWE force?

Yes. They may be included in any CWE, DE, or Harley detachment.

Visarch and yvrain are HQ options for dark eldar, CWE and harlies while the yncarne is a lord of war choice

Oh, that's interesting, so Harlequins can have CADs now officially, not even just in the detachment! That's funny.

Just be aware that if you do take Yvraine or the Visarch in a CWE, DE, or Harlequin detachment, they are for sure Battle Bros, since Yvraine & Visarch are still Faction: Ynnari.
So they won't be able to deploy in transports. Not a huge problem for Harlies since you can take the Spectre and/or a Shadowseer, but DE might have a issue.

I've been trying to fit in death jesters for their ability to control enemy placement a bit. Thought it would come in handy moving units around to get them in soulburst ranges and such, but I'm wondering how often they'll even kill a model to force the morale check. Seems like they don't even average a wound per turn against marines. I haven't used them much before, so have any of you guys found the ability consistent enough to justify including?

I'm finding most of my lists feature a unit of Shadow Weavers behind an Aegis with a comms relay and two WWP Archons. Wraith Guard and Fire Dragon precision deep striking and shooting twice seems silly.

Hawks and Spiders go well with this too.

I'm torn between Black Guardians or Dire Avengers in Raiders for some DS Shuriken fire.

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I'm finding most of my lists feature a unit of Shadow Weavers behind an Aegis with a comms relay and two WWP Archons. Wraith Guard and Fire Dragon precision deep striking and shooting twice seems silly.

Hawks and Spiders go well with this too.

I'm torn between Black Guardians or Dire Avengers in Raiders for some DS Shuriken fire.

Not sure what your list is, but make sure that Aegis is in a CAD. The Reborn Host does not have access to Forts
As for the BGs or DAs, I'd go with DAs. BGs really want that Deepstrike no-scatter and they do not transfer that to a Raider.
DAs have a better armour & range. Well worth the extra 2ppm.

Now that is assuming I read your post correctly and that you are torn between either unit in a Raider.
If, however, you are debating DAs in a Raider or BGs by themselves using the Webway Assault, I'd go with the BGs. They are cheaper and only give 1 KP.

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There's a revenant power that allows a unit to soulburst.
With bikes, it could mean a 12" move in the movement phase, then 12" again in the psychic phase, allowing T1 charges.

 Galef wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I'm finding most of my lists feature a unit of Shadow Weavers behind an Aegis with a comms relay and two WWP Archons. Wraith Guard and Fire Dragon precision deep striking and shooting twice seems silly.

Hawks and Spiders go well with this too.

I'm torn between Black Guardians or Dire Avengers in Raiders for some DS Shuriken fire.

Not sure what your list is, but make sure that Aegis is in a CAD. The Reborn Host does not have access to Forts
As for the BGs or DAs, I'd go with DAs. BGs really want that Deepstrike no-scatter and they do not transfer that to a Raider.
DAs have a better armour & range. Well worth the extra 2ppm.

Now that is assuming I read your post correctly and that you are torn between either unit in a Raider.
If, however, you are debating DAs in a Raider or BGs by themselves using the Webway Assault, I'd go with the BGs. They are cheaper and only give 1 KP.

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Oh no! Didn't notice the lack of fortification, damn. An Autarch works but takes up an HQ slot.

Yeah I meant DAs in a Raider but BGs on foot. If the DAs Raider has a shadow field and the BGs have a SC then the point difference is 75 for the same firepower. My concern is that the BGs are T3 5+ Sv models sitting in "please template me" formation whereas the DAs can be further away, have a 3+ jink transport and 4+ Sv. DAs seem like they will be more useful subsequent turns. I may have to try one of each.

fresus wrote:
There's a revenant power that allows a unit to soulburst.
With bikes, it could mean a 12" move in the movement phase, then 12" again in the psychic phase, allowing T1 charges.

Bikes... Or, you know.. Wraithknights.

 Thud wrote:

fresus wrote:
There's a revenant power that allows a unit to soulburst.
With bikes, it could mean a 12" move in the movement phase, then 12" again in the psychic phase, allowing T1 charges.

Bikes... Or, you know.. Wraithknights.

O.o

Wow.



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Moosatronic Warrior wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I'm finding most of my lists feature a unit of Shadow Weavers behind an Aegis with a comms relay and two WWP Archons. Wraith Guard and Fire Dragon precision deep striking and shooting twice seems silly.

Hawks and Spiders go well with this too.

I'm torn between Black Guardians or Dire Avengers in Raiders for some DS Shuriken fire.

Not sure what your list is, but make sure that Aegis is in a CAD. The Reborn Host does not have access to Forts
As for the BGs or DAs, I'd go with DAs. BGs really want that Deepstrike no-scatter and they do not transfer that to a Raider.
DAs have a better armour & range. Well worth the extra 2ppm.

Now that is assuming I read your post correctly and that you are torn between either unit in a Raider.
If, however, you are debating DAs in a Raider or BGs by themselves using the Webway Assault, I'd go with the BGs. They are cheaper and only give 1 KP.

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Oh no! Didn't notice the lack of fortification, damn. An Autarch works but takes up an HQ slot.

Yeah I meant DAs in a Raider but BGs on foot. If the DAs Raider has a shadow field and the BGs have a SC then the point difference is 75 for the same firepower. My concern is that the BGs are T3 5+ Sv models sitting in "please template me" formation whereas the DAs can be further away, have a 3+ jink transport and 4+ Sv. DAs seem like they will be more useful subsequent turns. I may have to try one of each.

This is okay - if they wipe the unit it's a free soulburst action for the unit standing 7 inches away from them. Please shoot my 110 point gardians and not my Yncarne!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Please shoot my 110 point gardians and not my Yncarne!

Don't you mean "Please shoot my 110pt Guardians so that my Yncarne can show up on your turn and charge in mine"?

I think I'd rather use a DS alpha strike to take out an opponents anti MC weaponry and bring the Yncarne in on my turn to give out his fearless and FNP pain bubble. I'm not a fan of 110pt sacrificial lambs, maybe a 51pt GJB unit.

I think I'll be eyeing up my opponents deployment to figure out which unit I want to replace with a Yncarne!

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Please shoot my 110 point gardians and not my Yncarne!

Don't you mean "Please shoot my 110pt Guardians so that my Yncarne can show up on your turn and charge in mine"?

That is beautiful isn't it?

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I think I'd rather use a DS alpha strike to take out an opponents anti MC weaponry and bring the Yncarne in on my turn to give out his fearless and FNP pain bubble. I'm not a fan of 110pt sacrificial lambs, maybe a 51pt GJB unit.

I think I'll be eyeing up my opponents deployment to figure out which unit I want to replace with a Yncarne!

Oh, for sure. It is ideal that you kill one of their units, but their are reason to use your own.
First of all, some Aeldari units are pretty squishy, so it is inevitable that some of your units will die.
Secondly, you get to punish you opponent for doing this by having a new target suddenly pop up in an area that they may have been trying to clear
Third, if Yncarne comes in on their turn, he can charge on your turn.

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Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I think I'd rather use a DS alpha strike to take out an opponents anti MC weaponry and bring the Yncarne in on my turn to give out his fearless and FNP pain bubble. I'm not a fan of 110pt sacrificial lambs, maybe a 51pt GJB unit.

I think I'll be eyeing up my opponents deployment to figure out which unit I want to replace with a Yncarne!

both are viable. I use guardians a lot already though so I know they are sleeper OP. A viper might be the most efficient though. Double SC - mobile - and only 50 points (you ether got to kill it out fully or it's hitting you with 6 s6 a turn.)

Speaking of Vypers, I am really liking the idea of an USF with 4 single Vypers with dual Shuricannons. They drop in, fire those 6 shots (potentially earning their meager points back on that single drop) and then forcing the opponent to spend well more than the Vypers' cost trying to kill them, or ignore them and let them keep shooting. Either way pretty good for us

A USF with 4 cheep units coming in on turn one could be good for summoning the Yncarne too. Either picking off an enemy unit in a reasonably safe spot, or getting in your enemies face and getting killed to enable the turn 2 charge.

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
A USF with 4 cheep units coming in on turn one could be good for summoning the Yncarne too. Either picking off an enemy unit in a reasonably safe spot, or getting in your enemies face and getting killed to enable the turn 2 charge.

But what is better? Dropping in, killing an enemy unit, bringing in Yncarne who cannot assault that turn and can be shot at by the oppoenent in their turn

OR, Drop in, kill some units, then wait until the opponent wastes some fire in their turn, but still kills one of your unit, THEN you bring in Yncarne.
The opponent probably didn't move in a way to prepare for that, nor were they able to cast any Psychic powers on him.

Either way you get to assault turn 2, but by waiting until the opponent's turn, they are less prepared for him.

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If it's not a big alpha strike you're not going to want the Yncarne on your turn unless there is an enemy unit in a really good hiding place for him. My first few games will probably be a lot of fun going "surprise! Death incarnate!", might not be so good when people get wise to the tricks.

Dropping a sacrificial unit near an enemy assault unit will probably be best, that way Yncarne isn't around till the very end of the turn.


EDIT: Going back to wanting 2x WWP Archons and some reserve manipulation; I think the most efficient way is going to be an allied detachment of an Autarch and 3 GJBs. Any problems with that approach?

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:

Dropping a sacrificial unit near an enemy assault unit will probably be best, that way Yncarne isn't around till the very end of the turn.

EDIT: Going back to wanting 2x WWP Archons and some reserve manipulation; I think the most efficient way is going to be an allied detachment of an Autarch and 3 GJBs. Any problems with that approach?

I approve of both of those statements.

Although, if you can get another Troop, you could make it a CAD and bring the Aegis with Comms relay. Now you get +1/-1 and rerolls for Reserves, making you the absolute master of Reserve manipulation.
Just make sure the Autarch does not join any unit that you wish to Soulburst, as Soulburst is only allowed if every model in the unit has SfD.

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two WWP archons is a bit much - archons suck royally and you only have 2 HQ choice in the reborn warhost. Like Galef said too - any non reborn warhost units remove soulburst from your squad - so 2 archons isn't really doable.

I always imagined these double DS Wraithguard lists using double CAD of Aledari.

Also worth a note, if you teleport the Yncarne on on the top of turn 1, you can charge bottom of turn 1 either with soulburst, or normally. Won't happen but its possible

Thoughts on a falcon punch (firedragon aspect host in 3 falcons DS in) as Ynari, I know its a fun tactic as craftworlds, but not the best. Soulburst can make it crazy (DS next to two tanks, kill both. Thats a potential of 6 tanks a turn dead bc firedragons cause basically critical existence failure for any tank. At least the eldar tanks look baller

Archon with WWP and Armor of Misery + Shadowseer with the Mask of Secrets + either Wraithguards or Firedragons.

Psychic Shriek with -4 on enemy LD in the psychic phase.
Shoot, kill, shoot again in the shooting phase.
...profit

 Galef wrote:
Speaking of Vypers, I am really liking the idea of an USF with 4 single Vypers with dual Shuricannons. They drop in, fire those 6 shots (potentially earning their meager points back on that single drop) and then forcing the opponent to spend well more than the Vypers' cost trying to kill them, or ignore them and let them keep shooting. Either way pretty good for us

Weidekuh wrote:
Archon with WWP and Armor of Misery + Shadowseer with the Mask of Secrets + either Wraithguards or Firedragons.

Psychic Shriek with -4 on enemy LD in the psychic phase.
Shoot, kill, shoot again in the shooting phase.
...profit

if you take the firedragons or blaster borne you should take a raider and leave the archon and shadowseer in the raider. With the raiders large profile you really increase the radius of the -4ld.