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that's why i play them with IK+helverins at least they can take down a wave. Anyway blightlords with blades+votlw can kill veichles, they wound them at 3+ (sometimes at 2+ depend by veichle and potential buffs like putrescent vitality), rerolling 1's ap-2 and deliver mortal wounds.

Has anyone tried 3x Contemptor Dreadnaughts with butcher cannons in their lists? How well did they perform? They seem a great deal for only 136pts. They can capture objectives and create problems for my opponent.

broxus wrote:
Has anyone tried 3x Contemptor Dreadnaughts with butcher cannons in their lists? How well did they perform? They seem a great deal for only 136pts. They can capture objectives and create problems for my opponent.

After a lot of math, and taking into account the following:

* Survivability against S4 AP0 1D
* Survivability against S5 AP -3 2D
* Survivability against S6 AP -2 2D
* Survivability against S9 AP -3 D6D
* Shooting against GEQ, MEQ, VEQ and KEQ
* All factors weighed against cost

I came to the following conclusions (index based):
* 3 Contemptors have an efficiency index of 2,55
* 2 Deredeos have an efficiency index of 2,61

2 Deredeos are a better choice than 3 Contemptors. They are also quite nice against any additional -1 shennanigans with flying units with their helical targeting rule. In fact, Deredeos are the best FW dreads mathwise. Keep in mind however that the differences are not extreme, the big three (Contemptors with butcher cannons, Deredeos with butcher cannons and Leviathans with butcher cannons) are all very close to eachother in math. So the ultimate decision will revolve around the rest of your list.

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My only issue with all the FW dreads in every list is that noone even bothers to convert them to be nurgly. You think they're still gonna be pristine in pre heresy Death Guard colors? Lame. But that's just my opinion.

Hate to be the party pooper but all these FW points cuts do is increase knockoffs and recasts.

Seems the Deredeos have slightly more Dakka and the Contemptors are more survivable. The other thing is Deredeos compete with the PBCs and the Contemptors don’t and there are more of them to claim objectives. Has anyone used them in a game and how good were they?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
My only issue with all the FW dreads in every list is that noone even bothers to convert them to be nurgly. You think they're still gonna be pristine in pre heresy Death Guard colors? Lame. But that's just my opinion.

Hate to be the party pooper but all these FW points cuts do is increase knockoffs and recasts.

Hey, I bought the Death Guard Contemptor from 30K and it'll definitely get nurglified a bit. When I get to build him finally, that is

Gryphonne wrote:

broxus wrote:
Has anyone tried 3x Contemptor Dreadnaughts with butcher cannons in their lists? How well did they perform? They seem a great deal for only 136pts. They can capture objectives and create problems for my opponent.

After a lot of math, and taking into account the following:

* Survivability against S4 AP0 1D
* Survivability against S5 AP -3 2D
* Survivability against S6 AP -2 2D
* Survivability against S9 AP -3 D6D
* Shooting against GEQ, MEQ, VEQ and KEQ
* All factors weighed against cost

I came to the following conclusions (index based):
* 3 Contemptors have an efficiency index of 2,55
* 2 Deredeos have an efficiency index of 2,61

2 Deredeos are a better choice than 3 Contemptors. They are also quite nice against any additional -1 shennanigans with flying units with their helical targeting rule. In fact, Deredeos are the best FW dreads mathwise. Keep in mind however that the differences are not extreme, the big three (Contemptors with butcher cannons, Deredeos with butcher cannons and Leviathans with butcher cannons) are all very close to eachother in math. So the ultimate decision will revolve around the rest of your list.

Hmm. The Contemptors do have the marginal benefit of being less likely to overkill against MSU. If every enemy unit has only got five members, I’d rather have six Butcher Cannon than two Butcher Arrays. Of course, the Deredeos will also bring Heavy Bolters and Greater Havocs, so... still probably mess up six units each turn. So, probably are a bit better. Not so much that I’m kicking myself for building a bunch of Contemptors. Pretty good split, all things considered - could have been a lot worse.

Gryphonne wrote:

broxus wrote:
Has anyone tried 3x Contemptor Dreadnaughts with butcher cannons in their lists? How well did they perform? They seem a great deal for only 136pts. They can capture objectives and create problems for my opponent.

After a lot of math, and taking into account the following:

* Survivability against S4 AP0 1D
* Survivability against S5 AP -3 2D
* Survivability against S6 AP -2 2D
* Survivability against S9 AP -3 D6D
* Shooting against GEQ, MEQ, VEQ and KEQ
* All factors weighed against cost

I came to the following conclusions (index based):
* 3 Contemptors have an efficiency index of 2,55
* 2 Deredeos have an efficiency index of 2,61

2 Deredeos are a better choice than 3 Contemptors. They are also quite nice against any additional -1 shennanigans with flying units with their helical targeting rule. In fact, Deredeos are the best FW dreads mathwise. Keep in mind however that the differences are not extreme, the big three (Contemptors with butcher cannons, Deredeos with butcher cannons and Leviathans with butcher cannons) are all very close to eachother in math. So the ultimate decision will revolve around the rest of your list.

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Can you expand on this analysis? I.e. how did you define efficiency index and can you give some examples of walking through this with one unit?

Btw can anyone expand on the warlord traits for DG? In a pure DG list arch contaminator looks like a slam dunk - but how does this change with suppurating plate in soup lists where everyone may not have plague weapons?

Also quick rule question - does supporting plate only work on armor saves or all saves?

Yes arch contaminator is almost always chosen if you run plague weapons.

Yea the supperating plate works on both armor and invulnerable saves. However it doesn’t work on disgustingly resilient rolls.

"The" benefit to the deredeo over contemptors is the greater havocs. Being able to shoot at units without line of sight at 48 range wins you games!

Added bonus to the deredeo is that it is our anti-eldar solution.
Flying units, +1 to hit. And butchers got S8 D2, so Shining Spears get reckt.
Dark reapers hiding out of sight? No problem, bring havoc to them!

orkswubwub wrote:
Btw can anyone expand on the warlord traits for DG? In a pure DG list arch contaminator looks like a slam dunk - but how does this change with suppurating plate in soup lists where everyone may not have plague weapons?

The next best thing after Arch Contaminator is the +1 to DR rolls, though I prefer the regeneration trait because I often found my DP left on one or two wounds, hid them out of sight for a round or two (regenerates two wounds per battle round) and it was back in the game. It's also less dependent on your dice not sucking - better DR roll don't help when you are rolling all ones and twos anyways.

If not going for Arxh contaminator plague weapon buffs, I rather take a Daemon prince from Chaos Daemons and take the plague fly hive.

broxus wrote:
Has anyone tried 3x Contemptor Dreadnaughts with butcher cannons in their lists? How well did they perform? They seem a great deal for only 136pts. They can capture objectives and create problems for my opponent.

I have two battlereps in the br forum using them. Check em out!

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
My only issue with all the FW dreads in every list is that noone even bothers to convert them to be nurgly. You think they're still gonna be pristine in pre heresy Death Guard colors? Lame. But that's just my opinion.

Hate to be the party pooper but all these FW points cuts do is increase knockoffs and recasts.

I would have to disagree with you there GW(and FW) price point is ridiculously OTT. If prices actually matched uk prices i think recasting etc would be way less of a thing.

The sereptek super heavy necron knight is 500$N.Z. using forgeworld now or 68$U.S.(140$NZ) from a recaster. For resin that costs them bugger all.

COLD CASH wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
My only issue with all the FW dreads in every list is that noone even bothers to convert them to be nurgly. You think they're still gonna be pristine in pre heresy Death Guard colors? Lame. But that's just my opinion.

Hate to be the party pooper but all these FW points cuts do is increase knockoffs and recasts.

I would have to disagree with you there GW(and FW) price point is ridiculously OTT. If prices actually matched uk prices i think recasting etc would be way less of a thing.

The sereptek super heavy necron knight is 500$N.Z. using forgeworld now or 68$U.S.(140$NZ) from a recaster. For resin that costs them bugger all.

Oh I get it. Too expensive for pay to win. Doesent change my mind that anyone bringing recasts is WAAC. A low cost, but still. My eyes roll everytime the suggestion is Bring moar doritos.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
My only issue with all the FW dreads in every list is that noone even bothers to convert them to be nurgly. You think they're still gonna be pristine in pre heresy Death Guard colors? Lame. But that's just my opinion.

Hate to be the party pooper but all these FW points cuts do is increase knockoffs and recasts.

While you are undoubtedly correct, I doubt I'll be doing much to my new Leviathan....the model looks so great that I can't face 'spoiling' it. There is also the small matter that FW resin is yuck to work with if you are converting.

 Jidmah wrote:

orkswubwub wrote:
Btw can anyone expand on the warlord traits for DG? In a pure DG list arch contaminator looks like a slam dunk - but how does this change with suppurating plate in soup lists where everyone may not have plague weapons?

The next best thing after Arch Contaminator is the +1 to DR rolls, though I prefer the regeneration trait because I often found my DP left on one or two wounds, hid them out of sight for a round or two (regenerates two wounds per battle round) and it was back in the game. It's also less dependent on your dice not sucking - better DR roll don't help when you are rolling all ones and twos anyways.

Agreed.

+1 DR is my second go-to trait when I don't feel like loading up on plague weapons everywhere.

Not tactica related: I placed a bulk order with my FLGS today (they do a discount on GW crates), and amongst my stuff was the Plague Marine Reinforcements set. He actually seemed to be trying to talk me *out of* the three for £25 :-o

...I said, hey, it’s making my order big enough to save more than that, and it’s the only place I can get Stick Nurgling

...actually, yes, tactica related: one of them’s a melta gunner. A really nice one, I’m not gonna rearm him just because it’s a subpar weapon today. Any real point in fielding him atm? Maybe have a Nurgling or fly carry a Bolter and call him a Lord with combi-melta?

Bit of a points investment (better since CA2018), but I quite like a min unit of 5 PM's, 2 melta (can put combi-melta on champ) in a rhino.

It's a deceivingly quick AT unit. Able to disembark, advance and still fire normally thanks to IA. Throw in a Foul Blightspawn for extra lols.

I've caught quite a few opponents off guard. The beta bolter rule also makes Rhinos with dual combi-bolters mini dakka boxes. People usually ignore them these days so after dropping off the marines it can harass other chaff and steal that sneaky objective during maelstrom games.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Not tactica related: I placed a bulk order with my FLGS today (they do a discount on GW crates), and amongst my stuff was the Plague Marine Reinforcements set. He actually seemed to be trying to talk me *out of* the three for £25 :-o

...I said, hey, it’s making my order big enough to save more than that, and it’s the only place I can get Stick Nurgling

...actually, yes, tactica related: one of them’s a melta gunner. A really nice one, I’m not gonna rearm him just because it’s a subpar weapon today. Any real point in fielding him atm? Maybe have a Nurgling or fly carry a Bolter and call him a Lord with combi-melta?

Well, you can play the 3 together as Plague Brethren to get a rather cheap troop for a battaillon. Or stick them in a Rhino with another squad of 5 and 1-2 support characters and go vehicle hunting.

Hmm. Where’s the rules for Plague Brethren? I guess they’re 62pts? I guess that’s useable. Their smaller footprint will make them more hideable than Cultists, and the melta can scarecrow deepstrikers. And, of course, the rhino idea has merit.

Well, I got the rules for them in the box when they were sold as Plague Brethren. They're also on battlescribe.
Basically it's 3 PM with the equipment you see on the models.

I can't see using them over cultists or pox walkers. Three plague marines have zero staying power and any deep striker will just shoot them dead.
Last, but not least, good luck getting an event that already bans index and/or forgeworld to greenlight a datasheet from a random box.

I'm curious, would Putrid Blightbringers and other AoS human models, such as the Gutrot Spume, work well as Death Guard? I love the models, and I was thinking of converting a few to give them bolters and Death Guard power packs and pauldrons. The one problem that I see is that most of them are only partially armored, in contrast to the Death Guard who are completely armored except for some mutations. Could they still work as Death Guard or would they stand out too much in a DG army?

I am using the AOS Chaos Lord (Spear and sword model) as a base for my Necrosius model and I use the tubby guy with the axe as a Chaos Lord. Just added a Plasma Pistol to his hip.

Not to just be that guy...but Cold Cash, which recaster has a heavy construct for $68? I kinda wanna try one out before I spent a couple of hundred dollars on it.

Q: if you were putting a 750 point Death Guard force together for CA2018 match play missions...

where on earth would you start?

tried a small list build and didn't get very far

leopard wrote:
Q: if you were putting a 750 point Death Guard force together for CA2018 match play missions...

where on earth would you start?

tried a small list build and didn't get very far

Two Plaguecasters, two squads of cultists and a plague marine team with blightlaunchers is what, 400? Add a contemptor or a squad of blightlords in for heavy duty, or drone or two if speed is desired.

Ooooo, well cultists I have, can do the small unit of PM with blight launchers as well, don't (yet) have a plague caster but may be able to find something suitable.

thoughts started here with two small units of PM and maybe a cultist or zombie unit but hadn't considered the catsers to lead them, cheers, food for thought

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm curious, would Putrid Blightbringers and other AoS human models, such as the Gutrot Spume, work well as Death Guard? I love the models, and I was thinking of converting a few to give them bolters and Death Guard power packs and pauldrons. The one problem that I see is that most of them are only partially armored, in contrast to the Death Guard who are completely armored except for some mutations. Could they still work as Death Guard or would they stand out too much in a DG army?

Sigmar stuff looks great in 40khaos. I use Skaven and Rat Ogres as my Cultists and Chaos Spawn. Blightkings also fit the bill well for CS. There’s a few armoured bodies in there which could easily pass muster for PMs or characters.