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 NpSkully wrote:


I think we are looking at a full revamp of the system.

GOOD.

Briefly mentioned on the last page, but it was announced on Warhammer-Community.

Remember Warscroll Builder?

Is going to be official now, with Tony Pacheco (the creator) working alongside GW:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warscroll-builder-coming-soon/

So Kirby is chained up somewhere being tortured with a 24 hour feed of the Warhammer Community site? Can't believe the complete transformation from draconian customer loathing fools to this new incarnation.

Are the minis for Shadespire in PVC? They seems to be completely built so I guess they are

 streetsamurai wrote:
Are the minis for Shadespire in PVC? They seems to be completely built so I guess they are

Don't think so, it's probably just colored plastic like the models from the Blood Bowl/Space Hulk kits. And the models probably come in 2-4 pieces each, and are push fit. You can tell the bases are seperate from the models feet. The Blood Bowl models were extremely easy to put together so I its understandable they went in that direction for a game like this.

Yeah, it would be unlikely for GW to switch to PVC.

Any more concrete rumors on when 8th edition will come out and rule changes?

 Thargrim wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Are the minis for Shadespire in PVC? They seems to be completely built so I guess they are

Don't think so, it's probably just colored plastic like the models from the Blood Bowl/Space Hulk kits. And the models probably come in 2-4 pieces each, and are push fit. You can tell the bases are seperate from the models feet. The Blood Bowl models were extremely easy to put together so I its understandable they went in that direction for a game like this.

If they are multi pieces models, it's obvious that they are not PVC. My mistake

CMLR wrote:
Briefly mentioned on the last page, but it was announced on Warhammer-Community.

Remember Warscroll Builder?

Is going to be official now, with Tony Pacheco (the creator) working alongside GW:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warscroll-builder-coming-soon/

That moment when you thought the new GW couldn't get any better then they hit you with a new ray of sunshine.

\`[T]/

Doing this is a smart move by them.

Shadespire: A tactical small-scale combat game with proprietary dice and cards.

Is GW trying to be FFG? All we need now is more tokens than there are cells in the human body and it might as well be.

Also, didn't GW just announce their own paid army maker for AoS?

 Starfarer wrote:
Im not sure many people have disputed that 40k rules were likely heading the way of AOS. In fact, I think a lot of people have been actively hoping for it. Not sure why youre trying to conflate the fact they aren't blowing up the setting with rules changes.

Can we not just enjoy the fact GW are previewing new releases without having to invent something to be upset about?

Nah bruv, I'm pretty sure a lot of people said that GW wouldn't AoS 40K, which appears to be exactly what they're going. As for the setting, that's End Times. They're End Times-ing 40K and AoS'ing 40K. Two different things.

And yes, I'm very surprised that they're previewing tons of things. For year and years and years and YEARS I've been lambasting GW's insane secrecy, and whilst there were some legitimate reasons behind it (of which I am swan to secrecy due to who at GW told me about them), their inability or just general unwillingness to engage with the hobby at large whilst pretending that they were a HHHobby in and of themselves is one of their greatest failings.

It was made all the more galling when they kept everything hidden whilst BL and FW showed off tons of upcoming stuff. Their refusal to participate in trade shows and conventions was insane, but they have turned that corner and seem to have embraced it in a way that even puts the days prior to the Kirby Kurtain to shame.

Now they've just to to treat their IP licensing as an avenue to enhance their brand (and their sales) and not just a hands-off method of revenue generation. Time releases to go with major licensed products (DoWIII perhaps?) and be a little more discerning with who you throw the latest video game license at and they can really start to grow again. The fact that we never got miniature releases around the DoW games makes no sense to me, especially given how many people DoW brought to GW. They appear to be missing the boat once again with DoWIII and that's sad. They need to capitalise on these things - strike whilst the thunder hammer is hot, so to speak - then they truly will have grown as a company (or at least emerged from hibernation).

In the meantime though, they're AoS'ing 40K. If we see weapon profiles that have set To Wound values regardless of the target type, then I'm done...

 RiTides wrote:
Shadespire pics from the demo:

Spoiler:

Liking the female liberator it has conversion potential (sisters of battle!)

Old fantasy had movement characteristics and armor save modifiers. AoS bravery system works more like old fantasy than 40k's morale system. Do we hate old fantasy now all of a sudden or something?

When you use AoS like a verb, what exactly do you mean? It seems to be a catch all for anything people don't like. Change is scary, I get it, but can you slow the hell down and wait for the actual rules to come out before we cry panic in the streets?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also, didn't GW just announce their own paid army maker for AoS?

I wouldn't worry about that... if GW's previous history with army builder software is any indication, it will be obsolete by the time it is released and never receive any updates anyway.





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 Don Savik wrote:
Old fantasy had movement characteristics and armor save modifiers. AoS bravery system works more like old fantasy than 40k's morale system. Do we hate old fantasy now all of a sudden or something?

Old 40K had armour save modifiers and movement characteristics as well... I'm not sure what point you're making here.

When you use AoS like a verb, what exactly do you mean?

It's generally used to mean simplifying the rules to a similar level to that found in AoS.


Whether or not that has negative connotations will obviously depend on your opinion of the AoS rules.

 insaniak wrote:
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 Don Savik wrote:
Old fantasy had movement characteristics and armor save modifiers. AoS bravery system works more like old fantasy than 40k's morale system. Do we hate old fantasy now all of a sudden or something?

Old 40K had armour save modifiers and movement characteristics as well... I'm not sure what point you're making here.
.

Even better, we're going back to previous editions of 40k as well. And those are mechanics that are the opposite of simplifying, they're additions to the system. Isn't that in direct contradiction to the whole 'AoSing 40k' thing?

The point I'm making is this stuff that's been around a while and its return shouldn't be seen as the end times for a game system. We should wait and see the full changes first.

I like AOS, but i'd rather them not just use the same system.

but are they trolling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

Warhams-77 wrote:
So, you guys attending Adepticon have taken seats at the second seminar?

The second one tonight? At 10PM? No point. They said it would be the same presentation and not to spoil it by posting videos and stuff.

 Brennonjw wrote:
I like AOS, but i'd rather them not just use the same system.

but are they trolling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

Yes. Great isn't it!

Freshly posted:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

- You can't actually drop a drop pod.
- Plastic Thunderhawk confirmed.
- 40K square bases confirmed.

Tautastic wrote:
Any more concrete rumors on when 8th edition will come out and rule changes?

Not at the presentation, no. The brief summaries like weapons affecting armor saves and assaulters striking first in close combat have already been covered. No dates given, but they said we would be using these rules by the next AdeptiCon. So...this summer is my bet.

Edit: the video 1 post up was at the presentation and funny. The post is a great overview of what we saw.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

well, we know they weren't trolling at adeption.... which is a feeling.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the command points for thematic armies, but it's the kind of thing that could be executed poorly.

These new changes are making me super excited. I wonder if the implementation of ASF in 40K will work with unwieldy weapons like PK? Orks finally getting to hit first is going to be a godsend and make us feel like we can actually do something in CC again without losing half of our guys before hitting home.

If AoS weapon wounding rules get put in maybe I'll finally realize my dream of a Guardsmen platoon mobbing and bayonetting a wraithknight to death!

"Hold the this xenos abomination down men!"
*revs chainsword excitedly*

 Brennonjw wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

well, we know they weren't trolling at adeption.... which is a feeling.

2 post late mate.

But yeah, I can't imagine how GW was back in the 2000's.

Also, hold on, we've gotta see how the community reacts to the rules and how many of them will consider this as trolling

Fantastic news, this is what will bring me back into 40k

I wonder if it will have the same effect that AoS did, and make a load of WAAC donkeys storm off and do a separate ruleset like 9th age?

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Fantastic news, this is what will bring me back into 40k

I wonder if it will have the same effect that AoS did, and make a load of WAAC donkeys storm off and do a separate ruleset like 9th age?

Doubt it? And it's surely fair to call those who disslike a system "WAAC Donkeys" right?


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CMLR wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

well, we know they weren't trolling at adeption.... which is a feeling.

2 post late mate.

But yeah, I can't imagine how GW was back in the 2000's.

Also, hold on, we've gotta see how the community reacts to the rules and how many of them will consider this as trolling

true, but I hope they take actual community input, and not just the input they want to see.

Aw crap! I just ordered $200 worth of supplements last night! Now they're all going to be redundant.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Fantastic news, this is what will bring me back into 40k

I wonder if it will have the same effect that AoS did, and make a load of WAAC donkeys storm off and do a separate ruleset like 9th age?

Given that AoS in its initial form was ludicrously open to abuse by WAAC-type players, I suspect that you may have misunderstood who 9th Age was for...

Warhammer Community wrote:Shooting

Armour save modifiers. This topic comes up almost as often as Sisters of Battle… so we’re going to bring them back. Every weapon will have its place in your army and better represent how you imagine them working in your head.

I don't know whether this is supposed to be a hint at something a long time coming, or just a really deep twisting of the knife. Damn good troll, even if I wish it didn't hurt so damn much.

Thebiggesthat wrote:Fantastic news, this is what will bring me back into 40k

I wonder if it will have the same effect that AoS did, and make a load of WAAC donkeys storm off and do a separate ruleset like 9th age?

...Which is funny, since AoS while in its current state is a much more competitively friendly and viable ruleset than WHFB has been in a very long time (ever?), its original launch was nothing but a playground for the most rancid of cheeses.