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2017/04/04 23:28:04
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Yodhrin wrote: The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.
Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.
So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?
Cool!
Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)
Ok, so rather than going to the vendor's website I can go and find some images "on the net somewhere?"
Cool!
You see where this is going? There's basically no reason for the very best images of something I can't yet see physically in person being freely available from the company that wants to sell it to me.
For free, and without having to go digging for them.
You guys fancy pointing out the part where I defended the lack of GW website images? In fact, I pointed out they had a tonne more they could have added. Which somehow got taken as me being a white knight. Plenty of hostility on the net without finding some that isn't there. ;-)
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/04/04 23:29:52
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
GodDamUser wrote: I am wondering how many people here that are being angry about the mail order pre-order, have actually contacted their local gaming store?
I think this is the feeling in Nottingham, considering the edit to the sales page on their site today. OTOH the bigger issue is how irritating it is to have to be ready within five minutes of the product being listed on the website to spend $130 or forever miss out. People complaining about this being not only limited but so limited against so much demand that the US site sold out in literally 5 minutes ... I think they have a valid point!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: As much as I don't mind homebrewing and proxying up rules, I do hope we see additional supplements forthcoming, be they published as a stand alone product or included as a supplement in WD.
If they realize the demand is there for a low model count game using their existing range, then hopefully they realize further down the line that the more units (of figures they've already manufactured, no less) they include, the better.
Honestly, what better way to sucker some of us into buying a box or two of models we like (but have no interest in starting an entire new army) than by having a go to game where I can play them as soon as I finish gluing them?
A skirmish level game is going to get me to buy the product, whereas I am not going to invest in starting an entire new army to collect and paint.
On the subject of suckering us into buying more models, I'm a bit disappointed with Special Ops. I'd have preferred a more Mordheim styled approach to heroes, with more specialized specialists that focus more on regular roster members..
2017/04/04 23:31:18
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
streetsamurai wrote: Complaining has an utility, since at least it can makes GW notice and change some of their decisions.
Of course, complaining about "about every single daft wee thing GW do" might actually discourage GW from listening because we (posters on message boards) can be dismissed as Never Happy About Anything, which is actually not a bad summary of Yodhrin's posts. I went to my local WH Store the other day and overheard a couple of customers there talking about how sour Dakka Dakka can be. I happen to like that we can host criticism because we are independent. But by the same token, it's also OK to push back on some of the absurd complaints - like overlooking that GW provided pics of the new terrain sprues in favor of complaining that there isn't a 360 spin pic.
Personally I don't see how asking for such a pic is an abusive complaint. It's not the end of the world and I haven't seen anyone claim it is) but it would have been a nice touch
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2017/04/04 23:34:20
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
I love how all the web store bundles for a low model count game all cost around about £100.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/04/04 23:45:11
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Can you bring those goal posts back over here please?
As usual, this comes down to assuming that GW is incompetent when the issue could be more easily ascribed to having finite resources and being on a schedule. I guess you could spin it as a teachable moment for poor benighted GW. Perhaps if they had 360 pics of the terrain, the US site's entire stock would have sold through in four minutes rather than five. Better luck next time! Ah well, lesson learned. But more likely, this is just an excuse to complain and should be dismissed accordingly.
If anything bears complaint, it's GW still being out of touch with its market - specifically, the market for its own products (which is how it has defined its market over the last decade). They did admit on FB to being shocked about how fast they sold through Shadow War. I can see being shocked that it went in 5-20 minutes. But yes of course people want official skirmish rules for their 40k collections. This part shouldn't have been a surprise.
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Can you bring those goal posts back over here please?
As usual, this comes down to assuming that GW is incompetent when the issue could be more easily ascribed to having finite resources and being on a schedule. I guess you could spin it as a teachable moment for poor benighted GW. Perhaps if they had 360 pics of the terrain, the US site's entire stock would have sold through in four minutes rather than five. Better luck next time! Ah well, lesson learned. But more likely, this is just an excuse to complain and should be dismissed accordingly.
If anything bears complaint, it's GW still being out of touch with its market - specifically, the market for its own products (which is how it has defined its market over the last decade). They did admit on FB to being shocked about how fast they sold through Shadow War. I can see being shocked that it went in 5-20 minutes. But yes of course people want official skirmish rules for their 40k collections. This part shouldn't have been a surprise.
THis doesn't make sense at all. In what way does my post consist in moving goal post?
and a 360 pic having something to do with finite ressources and time limitations? I might be wrong, but I don't think these take a long time to make, nor do they cost a lot of money. And if it is indeed the case, well simple logic dictate that using these limited ressources to show the new sceney in 360 would have been a lot more usefull than using them on 360 of Ork and scouts.
Anyways, as I said, it is not much of a deal.
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2017/04/05 00:04:25
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
streetsamurai wrote: I don't think these take a long time to make, nor do they cost a lot of money.
But so what? The only question is, is it more reasonable to assume they fethed up or that they correctly concluded it was not a high priority relative to other matters? Now I get it, we all want to see more of these new things.* Because we want them. That's the key - we want the pics because we already want the goods; we don't need the pics to want the goods. And customers hemming and hawing, who need 360 pics to decide, well never fear there will almost certainly be 360 pics of the kits to hem and haw over when those kits get released.
*some even managed to pry a bit of dosh from our trap-like wallets to buy WD this month, wot!
I agree. The only reason I am bothering to respond this time - after ignoring these kind of quibbles for years now - is because I just recently IN REAL LIFE came across people complaining about this site because yes we do have posters who cast their eyes over a great release only to pronounce ... "what no 360 pics?"
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kronk wrote: However, that doesn't make me any less disappointed that there weren't spin picks of the fething terrain. Just offering an explanation.
I'd hazard that's because the Notcromunda box has 2 and a bit full kits, and rather than do 360's of what kits (which we will get), and include them with something that doesn't actually come with exactly what's in the picture, they left it a few alternate configuration shots using only what comes in the box.
Manchu wrote: As usual, this comes down to assuming that GW is incompetent when the issue could be more easily ascribed to having finite resources and being on a schedule.
Incompetence is a shorter bow to draw than some of the 'they short-stocked us on purpose!' conspiracy theories we're getting here, but I believe you're more talking about 360 photos than the release in general, yes?
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Except Scions are in carapace armour, and the Sisters have always been in power armour. The weapon options for Scions also don't fit at all, because they can't take Bolters and Sisters don't use lasguns. Special weapons are alright, at least they fit, but there's one majorly important thing you're forgetting- you only ever get one Scion and it costs you a Promethium Cache each game, outside of counts as using regular veterans.
Just a question, have you ever thought IG Veterans in 40k are a suitable counts as profile for Sisters? Cause I've never met or even heard of someone who believes that
H.B.M.C. wrote: Incompetence is a shorter bow to draw than some of the 'they short-stocked us on purpose!' conspiracy theories we're getting here, but I believe you're more talking about 360 photos than the release in general, yes?
Correct - you and I seem to be on the same page as to the other matter:
Manchu wrote: If anything bears complaint, it's GW still being out of touch with its market - specifically, the market for its own products (which is how it has defined its market over the last decade). They did admit on FB to being shocked about how fast they sold through Shadow War. I can see being shocked that it went in 5-20 minutes. But yes of course people want official skirmish rules for their 40k collections. This part shouldn't have been a surprise.
Rygnan wrote: Except Scions are in carapace armour, and the Sisters have always been in power armour.
Careful mate, you're responding to someone with dangerous ideas about taking PA away from our Sisters.
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Yeah, DakkaDakka its like an old west saloon full of hardened veterans that have seen everything and just point how all things can be better before spiting on a spittoon.
And no, I don't say this to criticied it, this its the place where I have leanerd more about this hobby than anywhere else, but normally things that I didn't expect to learn, like miniature fabrication process, economical and marketing strategies, etc...
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/04/05 00:25:27
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Just a question, have you ever thought IG Veterans in 40k are a suitable counts as profile for Sisters?
Sisters as Stormtroopers / Carapace Veterans? Yes, absolutely. I am totally OK with Sisters wearing count as Carapace, armed with count as Hotshot Lasguns.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I am totally OK with Sisters wearing count as Carapace, armed with count as Hotshot Lasguns.
Spoiler:
For shame!
Galas wrote: Yeah, DakkaDakka its like an old west saloon full of hardened veterans that have seen everything and just point how all things can be better before spiting on a spittoon.
LOL but we haven't! If you look back, you'll find years' worth of predictions that GW will be out of business in short order - but basically no predictions that things would turn around so dramatically and all these awesome releases would be streaming in one after another. Take the salt with a grain of salt! Or should that be, take the grain of salt with a tall glass of water?
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They have rules. Imperial agents, and there is a new batch called, Sisters of Silence.
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2017/04/05 00:35:44
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
kronk wrote: However, that doesn't make me any less disappointed that there weren't spin picks of the fething terrain. Just offering an explanation.
I'd hazard that's because the Notcromunda box has 2 and a bit full kits, and rather than do 360's of what kits (which we will get), and include them with something that doesn't actually come with exactly what's in the picture, they left it a few alternate configuration shots using only what comes in the box.
Just a question, have you ever thought IG Veterans in 40k are a suitable counts as profile for Sisters?
Sisters as Stormtroopers / Carapace Veterans? Yes, absolutely. I am totally OK with Sisters wearing count as Carapace, armed with count as Hotshot Lasguns.
I saw them today. I think they are on par with Space marines, or Sisters of Battle.
They have bolters. Swords, and special weapon load outs.
They have rules. Imperial agents, and there is a new batch called, Sisters of Silence.
But to clarify - none of these have any rules for use in Shadow War.
To this, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut...
All models. teams. New figures that just came out. THIS being a "limited" run..... You do know where this is going.
When is the next edition of the game on deck to come out?
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At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2017/04/05 00:44:01
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Except Scions are in carapace armour, and the Sisters have always been in power armour. The weapon options for Scions also don't fit at all, because they can't take Bolters and Sisters don't use lasguns. Special weapons are alright, at least they fit, but there's one majorly important thing you're forgetting- you only ever get one Scion and it costs you a Promethium Cache each game, outside of counts as using regular veterans.
Just a question, have you ever thought IG Veterans in 40k are a suitable counts as profile for Sisters? Cause I've never met or even heard of someone who believes that
Ironically, I think Sisters would be best represented by Chaos Marines. They have all the proper equipment, though the stats are a bit better. You could pretend they're a more veteran unit or some such.
2017/04/05 00:44:47
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Yodhrin wrote: The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.
Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.
So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?
Cool!
Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)
Ok, so rather than going to the vendor's website I can go and find some images "on the net somewhere?"
Cool!
You see where this is going? There's basically no reason for the very best images of something I can't yet see physically in person being freely available from the company that wants to sell it to me.
For free, and without having to go digging for them.
You guys fancy pointing out the part where I defended the lack of GW website images? In fact, I pointed out they had a tonne more they could have added. Which somehow got taken as me being a white knight. Plenty of hostility on the net without finding some that isn't there. ;-)
Firstly, nobody used white knight until you did.
Secondly, it is very difficult to take "but do this alternative thing" as anything but an attempt to excuse the current status quo by diminishing the issue because "you can do this alternative thing instead." Diminishing someone's objections is pretty much impossible to take as anything but a defence of whatever it is that's attracting criticism.
You made poor points, points which anyone participating in the thread would almost certainly already have been aware of, and points which didn't actually address the core issue Yodhrin raised.
Finally, there's no hostility, only responses to a not terribly strong counter argument, any hostility you've invested into the posts yourself.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Yodhrin wrote: The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.
Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.
So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?
Cool!
Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)
Ok, so rather than going to the vendor's website I can go and find some images "on the net somewhere?"
Cool!
You see where this is going? There's basically no reason for the very best images of something I can't yet see physically in person being freely available from the company that wants to sell it to me.
For free, and without having to go digging for them.
You guys fancy pointing out the part where I defended the lack of GW website images? In fact, I pointed out they had a tonne more they could have added. Which somehow got taken as me being a white knight. Plenty of hostility on the net without finding some that isn't there. ;-)
Firstly, nobody used white knight until you did.
Secondly, it is very difficult to take "but do this alternative thing" as anything but an attempt to excuse the current status quo by diminishing the issue because "you can do this alternative thing instead." Diminishing someone's objections is pretty much impossible to take as anything but a defence of whatever it is that's attracting criticism.
You made poor points, points which anyone participating in the thread would almost certainly already have been aware of, and points which didn't actually address the core issue Yodhrin raised.
Finally, there's no hostility, only responses to a not terribly strong counter argument, any hostility you've invested into the posts yourself.
Well, I have seen the terms of GW fanboys, "children living in his mother house", etc... used in this conversation.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/04/05 01:09:07
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
But not from me, and not directed at JohnnyHell, which is the point here.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
But to clarify - none of these have any rules for use in Shadow War.
To this, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut...
All models. teams. New figures that just came out. THIS being a "limited" run..... You do know where this is going.
When is the next edition of the game on deck to come out?
So is that mouth shut? Seems like mouth open.
I hope GW supports Shadow War by publishing lists for every faction. I think that would be very well-received and that it would move product. But will GW do it? After all, Shadow War was in fact a limited release.
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2017/04/05 01:26:37
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
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