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Whilst pretty, the Shadow War terrain isn't actually anywhere near *enough* for a good game using Necromunda rules. You're gonna want a whole bunch more and scatter terrain to boot - barrels, barricades, rocks, anything to break up firelanes. The verticality is fun and a big part of the experience but not having 4ft kill-lanes is as, if not more, important.

The set seems to give about two building's worth compared to old Necro card terrain or my Wargames Tournaments MDF stuff. I regulalry run 4 towers, three platforms, a tonne of walkways as well as homemade shipping containers and barrels galore. That starts feeling dense enough for a game. Play with what's in the SW box and the Scout Heavies and snipers could cut down anyone before they even got close.

 RexHavoc wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Re: terrain, I can't recommend Mantic's battlezones terrain highly enough. It's like a meccano set. I got more of it than I could use for about £40 in one of the big sets, from a discounter. Lots of scope for multi level buildings, corridors, gantries, mix of los blocking and non blocking bulkheads, etc. Really fantastic stuff.


http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-scenery-and-terrain.html

I've been toying with getting one of the large sets, probably the huge industrial set, but I've had some really crappy minis from them in the past, and its put me off ever buying from them again. Plus, the connection pin things are a bit rubbish looking as they have gaps and holes in all the large parts, that seem like too much work to disguise. Shame though, as the set looks like it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play on.

I'm not a fan of mantic's miniatures (at least until Walking Dead, those are lovely) but yeah, I really like those scenery sets. The connectors are a tad fiddly but worth it for how much versatility they bring to the kit. I ended up squeezing them into place with a pair of pliers as they're a really snug fit - it's that or trim them a bit and glue them in.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Whilst pretty, the Shadow War terrain isn't actually anywhere near *enough* for a good game using Necromunda rules. You're gonna want a whole bunch more and scatter terrain to boot - barrels, barricades, rocks, anything to break up firelanes. The verticality is fun and a big part of the experience but not having 4ft kill-lanes is as, if not more, important.

The set seems to give about two building's worth compared to old Necro card terrain or my Wargames Tournaments MDF stuff. I regulalry run 4 towers, three platforms, a tonne of walkways as well as homemade shipping containers and barrels galore. That starts feeling dense enough for a game. Play with what's in the SW box and the Scout Heavies and snipers could cut down anyone before they even got close.

Exactly. It's pretty, but it's not enough to play a game on.

Consider the original Necromunda box:



That was just enough. Two sets gave you a great table. Three gave you some height. Throw in Outlanders and you were golden.

This stuff is good, but it's weirdly too high - the jump from 0" to 6" is massive - and it just gets higher if you make more levels, and what's in the box is one big Necro building, one small, and some platforms, far less than what you got.

Which is why I'm gonna get tons of the stuff!

They must have rewritten the moving up ladders rules, surely? Else it's a Run move to even go up a floor. 3" floors gave the option to climb and shoot. This means you can't take advantage of your newfound vantage point. Boo hiss.

The good thing is that it all mixes quite nicely together. I've got lots of cities of death stuff and some of the Promethium pipes - add to that all the reactors and containers that's already released and now you have this multi level stuff.

I won't get a full board of just this, but a couple boxes of the SW:A and maybe one or two of the individual sets and I'll have a really varied and interesting table that looks like it belongs together.

Vorian wrote:
but a couple boxes of the SW:A

Ummm... about that... :-D

Vorian wrote:
The good thing is that it all mixes quite nicely together. I've got lots of cities of death stuff and some of the Promethium pipes - add to that all the reactors and containers that's already released and now you have this multi level stuff.

I won't get a full board of just this, but a couple boxes of the SW:A and maybe one or two of the individual sets and I'll have a really varied and interesting table that looks like it belongs together.

My group went with SW:A, Munitorum containers, haemotrope reactors and promethium pipes. Should give up a nice base to start from and all interchangeable.

Don't forget that there are those terrain bundles coming out at the end of the year. One of the 40K ones has 2 Void Shield Generators (which are set to fit with this stuff), one Blood Reactor for the Blood Reactor God, and some pipes.

I've still no clue if this is going to be ongoing production or not :(

Looked hopeful yesterday, but nowt came of it other than to say it'll be available in store at the weekend.

Slim chance of course it'll be a Stores Only thing - but that's very much hope over expectation.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Vorian wrote:
but a couple boxes of the SW:A

Ummm... about that... :-D

Well I ordered one off Wayland about 12:00 on Saturday (which might not get fulfilled and then reserved a copy yesterday at a local store because there's a chance Wayland might have oversubscribed.

It's not like I've even had to try very hard and if Wayland doesn't come through I'll just get a few extra of the terrain sets. *shrug*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't forget that there are those terrain bundles coming out at the end of the year. One of the 40K ones has 2 Void Shield Generators (which are set to fit with this stuff), one Blood Reactor for the Blood Reactor God, and some pipes.

I've not I had zero interest in these when they were announced, but now I'm pretty likely to get one!

Lady Atia said this in a comment on one of her blog posts:

This release is really quite a mess. Let's hope they lerned and the next Shadow War box will be better ...

Not sure if she's speculating, or just assuming, that there will be more products in the Shadow War line. Maybe a once a year new version with a different theme/different terrain, like the update to Silver Tower?

Link: https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1858

So wait, ten pages later after I noticed they were sold out, and I can't tell if they're going to put them back in production again. What the hell is going on over there in Nottingham?

Significant Update.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/05/shadow-war-armageddon-rules-support/

Rules coming very soon. Extra factions coming soon.

Hands held up 'we messed this up and utterly underestimated demand'

New Communities post up

Looks like there won't be a reprint/restock of the box itself. The rules and rules for additional factions will be available at some point in the future with the terrain available separately.

Edit: Opps ninja'd

This just popped up on the Warhammer Community page:

Shadow War: Armageddon – Rules Support
So, it turns out that a lot of you are really keen to get your hands on Shadow War: Armageddon.

The new boxed game of skirmish warfare, set in the industrial sprawl of an Imperial hive world, went on sale last weekend. We had known this would be a popular game, combining elements of the classic Necromunda rules set with some fantastic new Warhammer 40,000 modular terrain, but we hadn’t expected the demand to be as high as it was – the box sold out online within minutes.

There will be copies in stores this weekend, but again, we are expecting demand to be high, and this might still leave some of you who were keen to play, with no way of getting your hands on the rules.

Don’t worry though – we we have some good news for you.

We will be making the rules for this game are more widely available, very soon.

Not only that, but following requests we’ve received throughout this week, our rules team are also looking to expand the number of playable factions in the game.

We’ll bring you news on exactly how and when you’ll be able to get ahold of the rules outside of the box, and the new factions, just as soon as we can.

For those of you who were keen to get your hands on the terrain content from the box, the new modular Sector Mechanicus scenery pieces will be available separately, and you can pre-order those kits this weekend. These work really well as Warhammer 40,000 scenery pieces for any war zone, and they can combine together to create some really spectacular battlefields.

So, whether it’s the rules for the game or the scenery you’re after, you will be able to get your hands on it.

More news soon.

And even before that, you can still join in on Shadow War: Armageddon campaigns in local stores, with just a single box of Warhammer 40,000 infantry.

Find your local store HERE and contact them to learn more about how to get involved.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/05/shadow-war-armageddon-rules-support/

Was just about to post the Warhammer Community link. Sounds like good news, and shows that they are listening to what people are saying and asking for.

So far that's good news at least rules-wise. If they do another print or two of the boxed game it won't be within a week or two - that stuff takes a bit of time.

Curious if they're still considering it.

Nyeh nyeh! Ninja'd all three of you!

Okay, that's marginally less dumb of them. Still dumb that they got in to this situation in the first place, though.

I'm really hoping that they make a thing for the counters from SWA, ala the "Battletome Cards" that we saw recently.

 RexHavoc wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Re: terrain, I can't recommend Mantic's battlezones terrain highly enough. It's like a meccano set. I got more of it than I could use for about £40 in one of the big sets, from a discounter. Lots of scope for multi level buildings, corridors, gantries, mix of los blocking and non blocking bulkheads, etc. Really fantastic stuff.


http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-scenery-and-terrain.html

I've been toying with getting one of the large sets, probably the huge industrial set, but I've had some really crappy minis from them in the past, and its put me off ever buying from them again. Plus, the connection pin things are a bit rubbish looking as they have gaps and holes in all the large parts, that seem like too much work to disguise. Shame though, as the set looks like it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play on.

Well, I'm with Bull0 on this. I just wish this Battlezone stuff had been around when I first bought Necromunda many years ago. It's great for making multilevel buildings and walkways.
The only thing I'd advise though, it to build several small fixed buildings that sit together. Don't expect to be able to disconnect parts. I glued all my small sections together, they then sit on the board with gangplanks and walkways between them.

Mind you, it's a pointless exercise pointing out when something is good from a company other than GW on dakka these days, as you get shot down, especially in a GW orientated thread like this.

EDIT: As for the latest community message. I'm hoping to be wrong, but it just smells of an ebook release.

Does this mean the full rules will be free to download or that they'll get out a quick run of paperback rulebooks? Would the latter be feasible within a "very soon" time window?

Maybe if you, y'know, *did some basic market research* (duh) like every other successful company out there in the history of like forever, you might not drop the ball like this?

huh, geedubs?

 Not-not-kenny wrote:
Does this mean the full rules will be free to download or that they'll get out a quick run of paperback rulebooks? Would the latter be feasible within a "very soon" time window?

Free? Not bloody likely.

Paperback? Not bloody likely.

I'd imagine an eBook format for $X. Again, I'd like to be proven wrong, but nothing in GW's recent history makes me think they'll go either of those first two routes.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:
Does this mean the full rules will be free to download or that they'll get out a quick run of paperback rulebooks? Would the latter be feasible within a "very soon" time window?

Only if the books are already printed and bound. It takes about 2-3 months lead time for a print run, assuming the printers have an opening for it.

OK they even admitted to underestimating demand - at this point there is no need to pile on.

Think about how far this company has come in such a short time: something goes wrong, the customers ask them to fix it, they admit something went wrong, and announce plans to fix it while specifically acknowleding customer feedback. Not long ago, there would have been (a) no venue to address customer concerns, (b) no acknowledment that there is a problem, and (c) nothing at all done.

It's so nice to be able to genuinely like GW again!

Edit: Manchu ninja'd me.

Indeed. Nice to see them stepping up their game and interacting with the community more.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:
Does this mean the full rules will be free to download or that they'll get out a quick run of paperback rulebooks? Would the latter be feasible within a "very soon" time window?

Only if the books are already printed and bound. It takes about 2-3 months lead time for a print run, assuming the printers have an opening for it.

Not very likely then. Hmm this might be my first digital purchase from GW ever.

Rules to become available online, more factions added, and all the terrain will be available separately. Looks like GW is serious about supporting the players again!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/05/shadow-war-armageddon-rules-support/

Careful Tamwulf, the update did not specify the format the rules will be in ...