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 Ghaz wrote:
It does HERE before you click on the product.

I noticed that as well - but I wouldn't count on that meaning anything. That part of site seems to be the last to be updated. For example, some of the Kill Team bundles have come in and out of stock - but you need to actually click to the full entry page to see what the actual status is. On the gridview page, Harlequin were still listed as OOS - click to the full page and you have an Add To Cart button.

 Ghaz wrote:

Manchu wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I'm surprised no one has noticed, or if they have, have not yet posted that the Shadow War boxed game on the GW webstore has recently changed from "Sold Out - No Longer Avaliable" to "Temporarily Out of Stock"

It's been discussed at great length. And it no longer is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock, either - at least not on the US website.

It does HERE before you click on the product.

Ninja'd

Ninja'd again - see my comment directly above.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Might want to go easy on FLGS as far as stock is concerned. Remember, before you pay for it, they do. Its like speculating in the stock market. Do you order ten copies and see how it goes, or go all in and get 60 copies? Now, where it will become an issue is if the FLGS sells out and tries to restock. If there is nothing to restock, then GW guessed too low on demand.

Except in this case, it's not a restock issue... stores aren't getting their initial orders.

Manchu wrote:Yeah that one seemed a bit odd. Also why no DW? I have heard you can have a DW guy as a specop for SM. But I'd like to see a DW list to go up against all these filthy xenos lists. Plus the zoggin' lists are called KILL TEAMS after all lol!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
And yet, Grey Knights...

Yeah, Grey Knights definitely raised an eyebrow. You'd figure Deathwatch would be there instead as the loyalist power armoured marines. On a slightly different note, I've always though a team of Deathwatch scouts would be cool... even if they are filthy loyalists

Charax wrote:RAW is definitely nothing except Spec Ops gets marks. It makes little sense, but that's what it is. I think we will likely see this FAQd though (Raptors get Marks but I can't have a Nurgle marine force? seems unintentional)

I'm not sure if my reading comprehension is just different to some people, but this is how I'm reading it -- The Chaos Space Marines special rules section says:

"The following special rule applies to all members of a Chaos Space Marines kill team, other than Chaos Cultists."

The only rule following this statement is the Marks of Chaos rule, which means everyone in the Kill Team, but cultists, has the Marks of Chaos rule (as it applies to everyone but cultists), which in turn allows them to pick a mark when recruited.

I can see why the Special Operatives section is confusing people, but I can't see how the wording in the "Chaos Space Marines Special Rules" section makes sense if only Spec Ops can get Marks

 Fango wrote:


So, a grand total of $175 (USA Retal) just for the terrain that comes in the Shadow War box...

Though it has been mention somewhere in this thread, that there is less than the three kits worth in the starter box.

Still would have preferred to have been able to buy a couple of starter boxes over having to buy individual boxes at a higher cost, at least to have a starting point for the terrain.

I really like the bone and dull yellow scheme they used on the terrain.
I'm glad I waited to paint my Necromunda bulkheads, I'll likely do them to match this stuff.

Lots of detail, they're going to take ages to paint properly. I presume they link up to the Promethium Relay and Haemotrope?

Manchu wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I'm surprised no one has noticed, or if they have, have not yet posted that the Shadow War boxed game on the GW webstore has recently changed from "Sold Out - No Longer Avaliable" to "Temporarily Out of Stock"

It's been discussed at great length. And it no longer is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock, either - at least not on the US website.

All I know is what wayland told me that GW told them. "No more box sets will be produced". They even canclled my preorder, so I wouldn't be expecting any re-runs.

TBH, I'm really wanting the red templates and the rulebook, if that rulebook would have rules for everybody.

 nurgle5 wrote:

Manchu wrote:Yeah that one seemed a bit odd. Also why no DW? I have heard you can have a DW guy as a specop for SM. But I'd like to see a DW list to go up against all these filthy xenos lists. Plus the zoggin' lists are called KILL TEAMS after all lol!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
And yet, Grey Knights...

Yeah, Grey Knights definitely raised an eyebrow. You'd figure Deathwatch would be there instead as the loyalist power armoured marines. On a slightly different note, I've always though a team of Deathwatch scouts would be cool... even if they are filthy loyalists

Thinking a bit more on it, it actually isn't that weird for Grey Knights to be present.

Bear with me here. Ever since Angron came in and wrecked the place, there's probably been a "Watch This Planet Carefully" marker on Armageddon. Chaos taint leaves a mark, physically and magically, that the Grey Knights probably have been keeping an eye on.

Also, you can get a Deathwatch Veteran as a Specialist Operative for the Marines.
He only gets benefits versus Orks though.

 Roknar wrote:
All I know is what wayland told me that GW told them. "No more box sets will be produced". They even canclled my preorder, so I wouldn't be expecting any re-runs.

Yeah, I think Wayland's announcement pretty much cinches it - I have to say, I am starting to think that frozenwastes was correct and I was wrong about this box being under-priced. I'm not one of those posters that assumes GW is stupid or evil so I am wondering if what happened here was more complicated than "oops we forgot to tell everyone outside of Nottingham that this was limited."

Manchu wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
All I know is what wayland told me that GW told them. "No more box sets will be produced". They even canclled my preorder, so I wouldn't be expecting any re-runs.

Yeah, I think Wayland's announcement pretty much cinches it - I have to say, I am starting to think that frozenwastes was correct and I was wrong about this box being under-priced. I'm not one of those posters that assumes GW is stupid or evil so I am wondering if what happened here was more complicated than "oops we forgot to tell everyone outside of Nottingham that this was limited."

Maybe independents need to talk to their reps better?

Mikhaila posted that it was limited early on.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I really like the bone and dull yellow scheme they used on the terrain.
I'm glad I waited to paint my Necromunda bulkheads, I'll likely do them to match this stuff.

Lots of detail, they're going to take ages to paint properly. I presume they link up to the Promethium Relay and Haemotrope?

Yes the White Dwarf shows off some of these options. The massive promethium processing plant also has several pipe relays and a reactor worked into its design.

 mikhaila wrote:
Oddly enough....

I've been told by my sales rep that this is "while supplies last" and "a bridge until the next edition comes out". He's hopeful that if GW sees good sales from it, that they will offer more support.

I'm hoping they at least keep the main game in print for a good while, or put all the rules up for download and sell scenery seperately.

Post.

See? 3/28 was a few days prior to the preorders sure, but it was still a few days prior.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Bear with me here. Ever since Angron came in and wrecked the place, there's probably been a "Watch This Planet Carefully" marker on Armageddon. Chaos taint leaves a mark, physically and magically, that the Grey Knights probably have been keeping an eye on.

That's a nice justification - I guess the only issue is, no Chaos threat materialized during the Third War, correct? And therefore there was no GK intervention. So to the extent that the list selection is "historical" neither of those factions would be included ... and then there's Tau. I'm just thinking of one of those blue fish looking around the ash wastes thinking, sweet ethereal faceslits how in the cursed name of mont'au did I end up here???

 RexHavoc wrote:

 Fango wrote:


So, a grand total of $175 (USA Retal) just for the terrain that comes in the Shadow War box...

Though it has been mention somewhere in this thread, that there is less than the three kits worth in the starter box.

Still would have preferred to have been able to buy a couple of starter boxes over having to buy individual boxes at a higher cost, at least to have a starting point for the terrain.

I see that now, looks like one less sprue of the pipes. Let's say that's, what, half the value of that Alchomite Stack kit...dropping the retail value of Shadow War box terrain from $175, down to $150 , stiill cheaper to get the Shadow War box (not even counting the game rules, dice, templates, and figures), and less redundancy with the pipes. I think the more valued kits are going to be the ones with the platforms anyway.

My initial thoughts still stand though. This release was supposed to be a splash release for their new terrain line, but the prospective customers latched on to the New-cromunda rules and the Skirmish 40K aspect of the box more than the terrain, per se. It seems to me,the loudest critics to the stocking issues of this release are those that NEED to have a physical, production quality, printed copy of the rules more than anything else.

The community has been aching for a decent 40K skirmish game for ages, and this seems to fit that bill nicely. GW perhaps underestimated that long-unfulfilled niche and got caught out on it with this release.

Manchu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Bear with me here. Ever since Angron came in and wrecked the place, there's probably been a "Watch This Planet Carefully" marker on Armageddon. Chaos taint leaves a mark, physically and magically, that the Grey Knights probably have been keeping an eye on.

That's a nice justification - I guess the only issue is, no Chaos threat materialized during the Third War, correct? And therefore there was no GK intervention. So to the extent that the list selection is "historical" neither of those factions would be included ... and then there's Tau. I'm just thinking of one of those blue fish looking around the ash wastes thinking, sweet ethereal faceslits how in the cursed name of mont'au did I end up here???

I mean, if we're just going off "historical" then there's no Genestealer Cults, Tyranids, or Chaos Marines present either...

It's really kind of silly to imagine that them titling something "Shadow War: Armageddon" automatically meant it was ONLY going to be Armageddon and not potentially the start of another line ala Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So basically, it's yet another feth you from GW.

Well, and inquisition, and daemons, and cult mechanicus, and militarum tempestus.

And power armored loyalist space marines...you're locked into scouts.

Cult Mechanicus is included with Skitarii (Engenseers are Cult Mechanicus and Astra Militarum Now)

Aslo The Johnny Fives would be worthess in a game where you have to climb ladders.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's really kind of silly to imagine that them titling something "Shadow War: Armageddon" automatically meant it was ONLY going to be Armageddon and not potentially the start of another line ala Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower.

Well sure - but you were the one rationalizing the GK list by reference to the fluff for Armageddon ...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe independents need to talk to their reps better?.

Hey good point RE: Mikhaila - I guess that's one more reason to believe something more complicated happened/is happening.

 Digclaw wrote:
Aslo The Johnny Fives would be worthess in a game where you have to climb ladders.

Tell that to the Terminators!

And if a ladder can bear a Terminator, the AdMech needs to start making Leman Russes out of whatever they're making the ladders out of!

Seriously - Cult Mechanicus should get a list, too. Electro-Priests need to be in this game! (So I have an excuse to buy them )

Manchu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's really kind of silly to imagine that them titling something "Shadow War: Armageddon" automatically meant it was ONLY going to be Armageddon and not potentially the start of another line ala Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower.

Well sure - but you were the one rationalizing the GK list by reference to the fluff for Armageddon ...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe independents need to talk to their reps better?.

Hey good point RE: Mikhaila - I guess that's one more reason to believe something more complicated happened/is happening.

 Digclaw wrote:
Aslo The Johnny Fives would be worthess in a game where you have to climb ladders.

Tell that to the Terminators!

And if a ladder can bear a Terminator, the AdMech needs to start making Leman Russes out of whatever they're making the ladders out of!

Seriously - Cult Mechanicus should get a list, too. Electro-Priests need to be in this game! (So I have an excuse to buy them )

I would love to use a kill team of Electro Preists, Oh! WAIT! I do in KILL TEAM ;p

You don't need an excuse to by Electro Priests, they are sooooooooo pretty! (They are what got me into ADMECH after the Dominus)

Also At least Terminators have functional Arms and Legs, You would need a board with a spiral ramp in the middle to Use Johnny Fives in Shadow War

Manchu wrote:Well sure - but you were the one rationalizing the GK list by reference to the fluff for Armageddon ...

CSM vs GK could be "historical" first war for Armageddon games!

Manchu wrote:And if a ladder can bear a Terminator, the AdMech needs to start making Leman Russes out of whatever they're making the ladders out of!

Seriously - Cult Mechanicus should get a list, too. Electro-Priests need to be in this game! (So I have an excuse to buy them )

I do recall a bit of Tau fluff (not sure what from I'm afraid, maybe the 4th ed codex?) where they observed that Imperium made Leman Russes out of woefully inefficient/bad for purpose material, so that might not be that bad of an idea

 nurgle5 wrote:
I do recall a bit of Tau fluff [...] where they observed that Imperium made Leman Russes out of woefully inefficient/bad for purpose materia

Typical xeno arrogance! The Tau can get back to us when they conquer a galaxy.

Manchu wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
All I know is what wayland told me that GW told them. "No more box sets will be produced". They even canclled my preorder, so I wouldn't be expecting any re-runs.

Yeah, I think Wayland's announcement pretty much cinches it

Multiple things can be true.

If the website says temporarily out of stock, then it'll be back. But perhaps the restock will be GW Webstore exclusive. I can totally see GW doing that.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If the website says temporarily out of stock, then it'll be back.

But that's not really what it says. Yes, you can find that on GW's site BUT it is in a place that we know is often inaccurate. Meanwhile, the reliably accurate part of the site - the product's actual page - does NOT say Temp OOS.

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So basically, it's yet another feth you from GW.

Daemons would like to raise their hands/claws/tentacles as well.

Just picked up mine from my local store (in Vancouver, Canada). So I imagine most stores will get them in the next day or two.

 Digclaw wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So basically, it's yet another feth you from GW.

Well, and inquisition, and daemons, and cult mechanicus, and militarum tempestus.

And power armored loyalist space marines...you're locked into scouts.

Cult Mechanicus is included with Skitarii (Engenseers are Cult Mechanicus and Astra Militarum Now)

Aslo The Johnny Fives would be worthess in a game where you have to climb ladders.

Or, magnetic tracks...

I'm curious why there were no termagant/hormagaunt "juves" for the Tyranid list.

 Rayvon wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Indeed. Necromunda really is 3D roleplay. I get attached to my gangers like XCom fighters and enjoy telling their stories whether I win or lose. Totally different experience to 40K, though I do enjoy a big battle too, you can't care for every grunt that falls...

That's not even a coincidence. XCOM developers stated that Necromunda was one of their inspirations.

Remake, maybe, else UFO: Enemy Unknown came out before Necromunda, no? (I feel old)

Necromunda was first, It was called confrontation and it was in WD.

No, that was Confrontation set on Necromunda not the game Necromunda, and the Necromunda influence was on the remake anyway:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/01/15/firaxis-jake-solomon-post-mortems-xcom-part-two/

 JohnnyHell wrote:


No, that was Confrontation set on Necromunda not the game Necromunda, and the Necromunda influence was on the remake anyway:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/01/15/firaxis-jake-solomon-post-mortems-xcom-part-two/

Maybe the xcom reference is wrong, I have never really been a fan, but Necromunda was first known as Confrontation.

Well, it was a game, set in Necromunda, that focussed on inter-gang warfare that had a campaign/experience system that allowed individual models to change and advance as individuals over multiple games.

You could argue it wasn't Necromunda for some random reason, but it would be fairly pedantic to do so.