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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyone considering house rules already?

I know it might seem early given few of us have actually played this iteration, but hey.

Me, I'm kind of tempted to mix up equipment availability, if only to encourage conversions and otherwise unique Kill Teams down my local club - which for me is at least half the point of a game at this scale, no?

So far I've been putting together an Inquisitional list. Been on it for a while now: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/722478.page

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:
Which terrain set has the most platform sprues? The Galvanic Magnavent?

Im more interested in setting up platforms all over the place.

Make them into a hat.
Do it.
DO IT NAOW.

Does this mean the Galvanic Magnavent set does or doesn't have the most platform pieces?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

richstrach wrote:
Such a mess on GW's part. My local GW (actually Warhammer) shop has confirmed on Facebook that they won't be getting any copies at all in stock on Saturday. Hopefully this whole debacle makes them reconsider their strategy around limited releases. Also, on a semi-related note, why on earth isn't Space Hulk a core game in GW's inventory? I know they keep conveniently 'finding' more stock, but as one of the most popular games they've ever released I don't understand why it isn't generally available.

Is that the Edinburgh one by any chance? Your post made me check and they said the same thing.

Yeah, the Edinburgh one. They're still running a league though, so I'll try and join in with that next week!

I'm really ticked off about this. I shot off an email to GW about how disappointed I am that one of their own stores has none of these. The store also said that it might be coming back because it changed to "Temporarily out of stock" so apparently corporate isn't talking to the stores.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That Chaos Cultist is luvverly - but consider my Skitarii. Basic troops don't get many options at all. Essentially they either get a Rad Carbine or a Galvanic Rifle. No options for pistols or close combat weapons. Me, I'd like to open up some kind of basic Pistol and CCW choices, so I have an excuse to convert up a 'custom designed Kill Team' - not just by myself, but the Skitarii's Forgeworld having specially equipped Maniples for infiltration when the Spindlelimbs are stretched.

I'm thinking of things like having some running, some advancing with rifle ready, some firing. One throwing a grenade, one reloading. perhaps one holding his rifle and popping off a snap shot with his pistol. There's plenty of things I could do to make a dozen unique troopers, even if they've all got the same gun.

House rules? I'd like to play a couple of ordinary games to find out what I don't like, first. Kill Teams for Sororitas, Arbites and Inquisition are good shouts if GW don't do them first (I've got the 2nd edition rules for all of those anyway!). Likewise Kroot. And the Tanith 1st and Only and Last Chancers.

The underhive "weather" conditions are something worth bringing into this.

As far as a campaign goes, the Hunt for von Strab would be a good one. Or escorting refugees away from Ork columns. Or Imperial forces hunting for Ghazgkull's lieutenants.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyone considering house rules already?

I know it might seem early given few of us have actually played this iteration, but hey.

Me, I'm kind of tempted to mix up equipment availability, if only to encourage conversions and otherwise unique Kill Teams down my local club - which for me is at least half the point of a game at this scale, no?

As i'd mentioned we ran Shadow War as instruction for two "campaigns" worth (players to 15 caches). They made for fun single day events, but since we've gone full Necromunda. We're using the current Shadow War rules, and skill tables (as both are improved over Necromunda), but Munda's injury, exp, territories, rare-trade, etc. So far it has made a much, much better game.

richstrach wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

richstrach wrote:
Such a mess on GW's part. My local GW (actually Warhammer) shop has confirmed on Facebook that they won't be getting any copies at all in stock on Saturday. Hopefully this whole debacle makes them reconsider their strategy around limited releases. Also, on a semi-related note, why on earth isn't Space Hulk a core game in GW's inventory? I know they keep conveniently 'finding' more stock, but as one of the most popular games they've ever released I don't understand why it isn't generally available.

Is that the Edinburgh one by any chance? Your post made me check and they said the same thing.

Yeah, the Edinburgh one. They're still running a league though, so I'll try and join in with that next week!

Big up the Drum Brae and Craigmount Massives!

I'm considering halfing Blood Bowl instead. Or getting 10 Sanguinary Guard.

Just confirmed my Darksphere order is OK, and it is. Hurrah!

It's still under embargo, but a copy has been secured. My store got its full order plus the event pack, so thankfully not every independent stockist is out of luck.

Best of all, finally got my copy of Kingsblade!

I just massively lucked out. Not naming the store, but the store near where I work got one of the GW organized play kits for Shadow War Armageddon and has no intention whatsoever of running an event. They sell lots of stuff, but people don't tend to game there. Instead, most people game at a local gaming club. The guy running the place sold me the rule book, rules quick reference, two punch out sheets of tokens, a tear pad of kill team roster sheets and a stack of special operative reference cards for 25 USD. I have templates and scatter/artillery dice at home, so I'm golden. So glad I stopped by during my lunch break. Right place at the right time!

I can't wait to go home and put together a Skitarii Kill Team now that I have the rules.

First thing I can see getting house ruled in our home is giving Necrons access to the praetorian equipment. Nothing seems to inherently broken, and sicne they've already got Immortals as troop choices, only difference is making them more choppy instead of shooty. For now we'll just use Immortal equipment prices as a base.

Next up is to figure out how to get Kabalites on the table. Maybe use Craftworld Eldar as a base and pull some of the values out of the Wych gear?

Local FLGS has the new boxes of them for about 15 new. My kinda prices!

I still don't get the difference between an armor save and an invulnerable save. Are they mutually exclusive or different names for the same thing? Just my unfamiliarity with the rules showing.

From what people have indicated, they're exclusive in SWA. In 2nd edition 40K invulnerables were either in place of normal armour, or were fields/magic barriers which rolled before armour.

i.e.

I shoot a bolt gun at you - you have a displacer field (4+ invulnerable save, which scatters you if it works)...you roll the displacer roll first. If you fail this you still have your armour (if you had any) which suffers from normal save modifiers.

I have received a tracking number for a GW shipment from UPS, so SWA is being shipped from the UK. Oddly enough, GW still shows the order as pending.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
First thing I can see getting house ruled in our home is giving Necrons access to the praetorian equipment. Nothing seems to inherently broken, and sicne they've already got Immortals as troop choices, only difference is making them more choppy instead of shooty. For now we'll just use Immortal equipment prices as a base.

Next up is to figure out how to get Kabalites on the table. Maybe use Craftworld Eldar as a base and pull some of the values out of the Wych gear?

Local FLGS has the new boxes of them for about 15 new. My kinda prices!

I still don't get the difference between an armor save and an invulnerable save. Are they mutually exclusive or different names for the same thing? Just my unfamiliarity with the rules showing.

Nothing wrong with house rules in a game like this, but it may be a bit of wasted effort if GW gets more official rules for new factions soon. They stated they are working on them, so we might have them sooner than people expect. If they can drive a lot of sales for more basic troop kits that probably aren't normally fast sellers, they will probably try to get rules out ASAP while interest in SWA is at its peak interest level.

"soon" can be a very long time if GW says that

but the first house rules here will be to adept the old gangs
not much work needed and I don't expect GW to do it

 kodos wrote:
"soon" can be a very long time if GW says that

but the first house rules here will be to adept the old gangs
not much work needed and I don't expect GW to do it

No work needed. We've got an Orlock players right now, and his gang intermingles with my wife's Orks, my Grey Knights, etc... just fine.

aka_mythos wrote:Even if it was an underestimation the point of that specific trade show is to drive up the interest of retailers so they will carry the product lines. There is effectively nothing here for retailers to carry. No gaming retailer wants to sell just one of something, they want recursiveness.

I'm not sure that's the case. It seems like many retailers want something new to constantly be coming in to sell to people. There's always a new hot board game, a new Magic the Gathering or Pokemon release, a new edition of a game, a new codex. We also know that GW's products sell the most copies within a few months of their release.

Any store that got in (and many who did not) on this at all is going to now have the impression that people *really* want GW's stuff. They are going to get people coming in, calling them, emailing them, contacting them via social media, etc,. asking about this game.

So what are these store owners going to do the next time GW goes into the industry promotional channels and on social media and...

... starts talking about a new edition of 40k?

The typical store allocations have been only 4 sets, so unless you live in an area with multiple stores very few people will be able to have a dedicated group and the longevity of that small a group will be jeopardized by Ian inability to grow the group.

new40k to the rescue

 Elbows wrote:

I shoot a bolt gun at you - you have a displacer field (4+ invulnerable save, which scatters you if it works)...you roll the displacer roll first. If you fail this you still have your armour (if you had any) which suffers from normal save modifiers.

Displacer Field was a 3+. Conversion Field was the 4+.

For even more fun, to begin with you could actually put multiple invulnerable saves on a single model, limited only by how many Wargear cards the model had access to. So against that boltgun shot, I could be taking a 2+ Power Field save, then trying with my 3+ Displacer Field, then my 4+ Conversion Field... and then my armour.

About midway through 2nd edition, GW issued an errata limiting invulnerable saves to one per model... upsetting quite a few Eldar players, as Farseers had one built in, and many players gave them an extra one for good measure. IIRC, that was around the same time they also limited how many copies you could take of certain Wargear cards in your army.

Visited the local WH Store to sign up for the Shadow War league. The manager was giving away token sheets with a purchase of 25 USD or more of certain products (basically, anything you could use in Shadow War). The store was only allotted three copies. From what I understand, the LGS was able to order eight copies - but I can't confirm that they got all eight. I wished the WH Store manager good luck with customers tomorrow ... going to be a tough day ... The manager also told me HQ did not mention that the box was a limited release until last Saturday.

http://www.miniwars.eu/search/label/Kharadron%20Overlords

I'm getting Blood Bowl instead. Somehow my local GW has none. I've brought this up but I'm still mad.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I'm getting Blood Bowl instead. Somehow my local GW has none. I've brought this up but I'm still mad.

Isn't the street date tomorrow? So it's still embargoed today?

The rulebook included in the boxed set does not contain a barcode on the back (or inside the cover for that matter), so chances of GW selling it in this carnation physically on its own are quite small.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
As far as a campaign goes, the Hunt for von Strab would be a good one. Or escorting refugees away from Ork columns. Or Imperial forces hunting for Ghazgkull's lieutenants.

This is ultimately why I like all this. Hypothetically, had the rules been terrible, or if the campaign rules are weaker that the original Necromunda, this whole release would still be a good thing because it helps generate idea and inspire people. I mean, someone 20 years ago could have thought of playing Necromunda on Armageddon with added Ork gangs to conduct one of those campaigns. However, these ideas come about so much easier with a release like this.

 BrookM wrote:
The rulebook included in the boxed set does not contain a barcode on the back (or inside the cover for that matter), so chances of GW selling it in this carnation physically on its own are quite small.

OMG! No barcode! Whatever will GW do?

Surely it would be faster to modify the digital printing file than to print and sticker by hand.

Not if that labor is already paid for and has nothing better to do in the showroom.

I used to put bar codes on US girly magazines in the UK many years ago. We'd do thousands at a time in a hour or so.

Not great work , but it's perfectly possible.

My local posted up this evening that they have a LIMITED QUANTITY (caps and all) and if we wanted one we would need to be there at opening.

As he's usually quite up front about how much stock is there on a normal occasion, I take this to not be a good sign. Usually its 'I only have 10 of the new whatever shiney' or' We have the last three sat here, get them while stocks last'.

As its €60 in travel to get there, and I may not even be able to get a copy, I'm thinking its not worth the risk. Gw probably dont care about the €105 I would have spent on the game, nor the extra €100-200 I probably would have spent on top of that buying up stuff to go with it. Nor the extra €8 I'd spent buying white dwarf (as I always forget, and have to go back for it after paying the first time around)
But not picking white dwarf up this month means I probably wont end up pre-ordering the new overlords (I was looking forward to seeing them in white dwarf and seeing if I could use them for my skaven in Inq28 or even my chaos dwarfs)

All in all not being able to walk in and pick a game up has probably put paid to me spending €500, if not closer to €1000 (birthday money coming soon) over the next couple of months.

Again, probably pocket change for GW, but I cant be the only one, and it will have a knock on effect with my spending for the rest of the year now, and its surly even only several people are like me its got to add up to enough for GW to notice.