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The vast majority of miniatures that are sold to you on sprues are HIPS, and therefore compatible with citadel plastic glue. E.G. Warlord plastics, Perry, Wargames Atlantic, Wyrd miniatures, Para-Bellums plastics for Conquest, Battlefronts plastic Team Yankee/Flamrs of War vehicles (not sure about infantry), Mantics plastic kits, Star Wars Legions newer plastic kits, Marvel Crisis Protocol, etc etc etc. Plus on top of that, any gundam, tamiya, trumpeter, etc plastic model kits are also compatible. Theres way more priduct lines out there that do work with citadel plastic glue than those that don't.


Only brand I know of that isn't would be Ruvicon which used PVC.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The vast majority of miniatures that are sold to you on sprues are HIPS, and therefore compatible with citadel plastic glue. E.G. Warlord plastics, Perry, Wargames Atlantic, Wyrd miniatures, Para-Bellums plastics for Conquest, Battlefronts plastic Team Yankee/Flamrs of War vehicles (not sure about infantry), Mantics plastic kits, Star Wars Legions newer plastic kits, Marvel Crisis Protocol, etc etc etc. Plus on top of that, any gundam, tamiya, trumpeter, etc plastic model kits are also compatible. Theres way more priduct lines out there that do work with citadel plastic glue than those that don't.

Only brand I know of that isn't would be Ruvicon which used PVC.

That may be true now, but maybe not when I was told this. For context, AT-43 was being sold in the store as a current product and Star Wars Imperial Assault wasn't even out yet. It wasn't usable on my Warmachine models. I haven't kept up with it, honestly, as my focus on such lines has been minimal, and I haven't looked back on plastic glue since I built my first metal miniature.

Still, if one does not know or is not sure, super glue (cyanoacrylate) is still the best option to use as it is relatively agnostic on what it joins. In Battletech, there are far more metal miniatures than plastic at present, as an example.

fair enough, no disagreement there

What sticks AT-43 stuff back together?

if the contact points are pre-painted, your best bet is to use superglue as plastic glue won't necessarily be able to react through layers of paint. Otherwise I have no idea as I've never handled those minis.

Oh yeah. Paint!

PS: Rubicon is ABS not PVC, AT43 was PVC
for those other plastics, Tamiya or Pattex (or whatever Brand in your countries hardware store) have plastic glues that work with those

 Charistoph wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The vast majority of miniatures that are sold to you on sprues are HIPS, and therefore compatible with citadel plastic glue. E.G. Warlord plastics, Perry, Wargames Atlantic, Wyrd miniatures, Para-Bellums plastics for Conquest, Battlefronts plastic Team Yankee/Flamrs of War vehicles (not sure about infantry), Mantics plastic kits, Star Wars Legions newer plastic kits, Marvel Crisis Protocol, etc etc etc. Plus on top of that, any gundam, tamiya, trumpeter, etc plastic model kits are also compatible. Theres way more priduct lines out there that do work with citadel plastic glue than those that don't.

Only brand I know of that isn't would be Ruvicon which used PVC.

That may be true now, but maybe not when I was told this. For context, AT-43 was being sold in the store as a current product and Star Wars Imperial Assault wasn't even out yet. It wasn't usable on my Warmachine models. I haven't kept up with it, honestly, as my focus on such lines has been minimal, and I haven't looked back on plastic glue since I built my first metal miniature.

Still, if one does not know or is not sure, super glue (cyanoacrylate) is still the best option to use as it is relatively agnostic on what it joins. In Battletech, there are far more metal miniatures than plastic at present, as an example.

AT-43 and early (circa 2013) Privateer Press plastics were not HIPS (source 1, source 2) and thus plastic cement would not work on these kits. It's not that GW plastics would only work with GW's plastic glue. it was just that GW's plastic glue would only work with HIPS.

 kodos wrote:
PS: Rubicon is ABS not PVC

Yep, you're right. I should know better, but I got the wrong three letter combination stuck in my head lol.

Not much to report on this one, got the new airfield partially assembled, one of the other guys was teaching a \new player how to play the game. while i was off playing something else.

Looks cool.

Finally got hold of some Salvage Boxes - Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Archer & Rifleman

PesudoTech is here!

This year's April Fool's joke is a full colour, print-on-demand, fully play-tested 47 page book filled with power ups, achievements, and game-based scenarios (Mario, Mortal Kombat, Tetris) for BattleTech.

Yeah, the BTech guys kinda go all out for April Fool's, and make fully functioning "joke" products.

More battletech is best battletech


Game one of the day was a combined arms raid- kurita sent in some special forces to raid the flight tower at the cities airbase-

the kurita forces had a tokugamaw, shadowhawk, X2 goblin IFVs transporting 2 squads of raiden BA.

The marik forces countered with a hetzer (LRM) his own wheeled IFVs and a couple points of heavy BA-

The table was showing off the newly printed airfield terrain and some new building from steel warrior studios.



the kurita force pushed right and took heavy losses losing one IFV and the tokugawa but managed to get the BA into the building to steel the data.









The game ended in a most honorable death. during extraction the last goblin took an ammo crit and detonated killing most of the kurita force, half the marik derfenders including thier mech support and the flight tower.

The lone kurita survivor was the shadowhawk who had been left behind after he took a nap for 3 turns.

Game 2-
was the second of 3 in a planetary campaign-

the brown shorts mercenary unit was sent to mop up the last stronghold of the rebels.







The defenders had placed minefields and collected a mass of cheap light vehicles to defend the evacuation.

MVP of the game for pure humor was the sirocco pilot who managed to fall down (in a quad) 3 separate times on double 1s making some basic terrain checks.



The big debate after taking the compound was trying to decide what to do with the survivors that the planetary governor had ordered liquidated once they realized there was a large contingent of un-armed civilian non-combatants.

We will see what happens on mission 3.

One day I'll buy a bunch of vehicles to support my forces.

M.

Same.

We didn't even have enough vehicle for the second scenario, so we ended up using epic 40K minis as stand ins for scorpion light tanks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
PesudoTech is here!

This year's April Fool's joke is a full colour, print-on-demand, fully play-tested 47 page book filled with power ups, achievements, and game-based scenarios (Mario, Mortal Kombat, Tetris) for BattleTech.

Yeah, the BTech guys kinda go all out for April Fool's, and make fully functioning "joke" products.

oh man I am buying this RIGHT away, lol

So much battletech-so i do not know if it is because of how terrible GW has become but the explosion of classic battletch interest and new players is quite nice-

This was tonights table-






The first game i was in was my "desert" lyran strike force. in true steiner scout squad style i brought assault mechs....and one battlemaster for extra fast scouting.

I scouted them very hard, there were no bee's in my cockpit. it was a pretty brutal fight. against marauders, marauder IIs and an arrow IV artillery mech.

My battlemaster and atlas were forced to withdraw from damage. the viking 2 was destroyed through structure damage. on the flip side i took 2 of his mech with head shots (heavy gauss at medium ranges do that) and the other 2 with ammo explosions. unfortunately my fafnir was to close to the last mech when it exploded so it took us both out.








The second game i got in was an introductory game for a 40K refugee. he bought his first lance last week.

To make it more interesting this time i sent my close combat unit after him. not ideal outside of the close confines of a city or other built up terrain areas, but i wanted to give him a feel for various aspects of game play. he was also learning how to play a fast heavy C3 lance kurita style.





I was off playing a different game so i just took a couple pics of the 3rd game where me previous 2 opponents did battle against each other.







Next week we should be seeing a new clan player if all things go to plan.

Got next week off work. Hoping to get some BTech games in. Plus I have to give a friend of mine his birthday present: the fancy Star box with the Stone Rhino in it!

That is one of the better boxes, it is the one i recommended to the new guy yesterday.

Other than the hunchie IIC everything else in there is solid.
.marauder IIc, warhammer IIC, stone rhino, and super nova.

Both the marauder and warhammer have some nice variants with ATMs and the supernova 4 is a beast.

*looks up Supernova 4*

Four CLPLs with a TargComp backed up a quarted of pocket large lasers. Yikes...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*looks up Supernova 4*

Four CLPLs with a TargComp backed up a quarted of pocket large lasers. Yikes...

I've heard the same about the Supernova 5. With it's four Coolant Pods, that's four turns you can fire all six ER Large Lasers for a net +0 heat from weapons fire.

 aphyon wrote:
So much battletech-so i do not know if it is because of how terrible GW has become but the explosion of classic battletch interest and new players is quite nice-

Modern products makes a huge difference. I technically bought the game in the early 90's in cardboard standee form but I'm sorely tempted to finally buy some models and give it another go a quarter century later.

On that note, what's needed to play Classic/Alpha Strike beyond the Clan Invasion box? I'll likely just pick up a star or two as a painting project, but I'm curious if that's enough to get started or if I'm going to wind up needing to buy the Inner Sphere box as well.

 LunarSol wrote:
On that note, what's needed to play Classic/Alpha Strike beyond the Clan Invasion box? I'll likely just pick up a star or two as a painting project, but I'm curious if that's enough to get started or if I'm going to wind up needing to buy the Inner Sphere box as well.

From what I understand, the CI box lacks the basic rules the AGoAC box has, as it just expands on it with more advanced/standard technology like Pulse Lasers.

That being said, it isn't needed if you get the Total Warfare book or the Battlemech Manual. The Battlemech Manual is solely for Battlemech use, but does include some things beyond what Total Wafare contains like Quirks and some more advanced equipment. Total Warfare is best to get if you want to expand in to combined arms, like Infantry, tanks, and helicopters, or fighter support. Alpha Strke: Commander's Edition pretty much has what you want for Alpha Strike play.

That covers the basics, but for unit construction you want the Tech Manual. Beyond that, both Tactical Ops: Advanced Units and Equipment and the new Interstellar Ops: Alternate Eras provide very advanced, even experimental technologies, which can be more complicated in their use or usually limited to a certain era, like Chemical Lasers or Tripods.

There are many other books which enhance the ruleset, go in to space with Warships, or how to handle campaigns and table-top RPG systems.

TL;DR: I'd recommend getting either Alpha Strike: Commander's Edition, Total Warfare, or Battlemech Manual, depending on how deep of gameplay you want. AGoAC is a great buy if you want those 8 models, but isn't needed for the rules if you have those other books.

What it takes to play
Well as i understand it they have broken the big books down into supplements now if you want them that way, but when catalyst fist released them i bought-

.total warfare- for the core rules mechanics
.tactical operations-for all the optional rules and ammo types
.strategic operations- for aerospace on ground map rules as well as the 3d terrain rules

When it comes to minis, well that's the easy part. for a one off pickup game you just need a single inner sphere lance of 4 or a clan star of 5. if you want them to fight against each other the balance conversion is 1.3 to 1-meaning for a clan star of 5 mechs you will face off against 2 lances of 4 inner sphere mechs or vehicles.

battle value and tonnage value restrictions are good frameworks for campaigns or structured pre-planned events, but it isn't necessary or required outside those setting as the crit system exists that can easily negate that.

We always point people in the direction of theme and lore. as an example there are many atlas loadouts in the universe but you would be hard pressed to see the one with a heavy gauss rifle outside of a Lyran unit, or the one with the RAC 5 outside of a Davion unit.

As for alpha strike, i have absolutely no interest in it as it removes much of the immersion that i play classic battletech for. as such i cannot help you on that subject.

No, no, no.
Beginners should get a Urbanmech lance while the opforce is all Marauder IIC. That will be a teaching moment

M.

i forgot to mention there are several programs you can use to print out record sheets and just the official record sheets you can buy.

I have owned heavy metal pro/aero/vee/light for so long i swear by it especially since it allows me to print the record sheets out in inch/3d terrain rules as well as giving me the ability to build cannon loadouts that may not be in the database..

 Miguelsan wrote:
No, no, no.
Beginners should get a Urbanmech lance while the opforce is all Marauder IIC. That will be a teaching moment

M.

I know you stated this in jest but for a minute I thought I was in the 40k group lol.

"Yes, Kael Pershaw. I have read the reports. If the Wolves want to take the city, I dare them to try"