Warhammer Underworlds - Daggok's stab ladz. P.148

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Still got my shiny ones from Season 2.

**Baragash**

Theophony wrote:
weasel_beef wrote:
What does 'season' mean to this game?

I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?

Each season is one year. Warhammer Underworlds is the Game system, a skirmish game with a card mechanic. Each season takes place in a different part of the Warhammer world, the first season was set in Shadespire, season two was set in NightVault, season three is set in the Beastgrave. Each Season sees the release of new gangs that can be used. No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.

Having said that Reavers just won GenCon.

**Chopstick**

That Gencon deck, mostly season 1 card and Kill objective, The dice god blessed him that day.

**Thargrim**

Is it likely this set will get a terrain box like nightvault did? I liked the visual aspect those added to the board.

**DaveC**

The following Warbands are no longer available from GW

Magores' Fiends
Spiteclaws Swarm
Chosen Axes
The Farstriders
Ironskulls Boyz
Sepulchral Guard

Rumour is with the Release of Beastgrave, the Nightvault boxed game goes direct only and the 6 warbands listed will be withdrawn and no longer sold at all but they can still be played in Beastgrave if you have them.

https://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2019/09/pre-pedidos-en-euros-y-atencion.html

So if you want any of them get them while they are still in stock elsewhere.

**Crimson**

Wait what? They're all really new models and can be use in AOS too... Certainly they wouldn't stop selling such new kits?

**DaveC**

The minis are still available on their own (direct only) it's the warband sets that have been withdrawn.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=6356622588865207421&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=magores+fiends

**Da Boss**

Those satyr are pretty cool! Think I will get some for sure.

**LunarSol**

Set rotation seemed pretty baked into the system from the start. I'll not be surprised to learn that the commons are going to rotate out soon.

**stonehorse**

DaveC wrote:
The following Warbands are no longer available from GW

Magores' Fiends
Spiteclaws Swarm
Chosen Axes
The Farstriders
Ironskulls Boyz
Sepulchral Guard

Rumour is with the Release of Beastgrave, the Nightvault boxed game goes direct only and the 6 warbands listed will be withdrawn and no longer sold at all but they can still be played in Beastgrave if you have them.

https://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2019/09/pre-pedidos-en-euros-y-atencion.html

So if you want any of them get them while they are still in stock elsewhere.

That is rough, but seeing as GW are treating Underworlds as their MTG equivalent it isn't surprising.

What is going to be interesting is how they rule the cards going forward. If a large chunk of the card library is unavailable, I imagine that they'll take the easy option and just rotate them out of tournament play.

**parakuribo**

Thanks for the heads up. I started out with Magore with getting Nightvault later, but it's going to be just Magore himself.

(sigh).....Looks like it's either 40K, MTG or nothing, and it looks like my choioce is getting infinitely easier....

**Kanluwen**

parakuribo wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I started out with Magore with getting Nightvault later, but it's going to be just Magore himself.

(sigh).....Looks like it's either 40K, MTG or nothing, and it looks like my choioce is getting infinitely easier....

We don't know what is happening beyond the sets were discontinued. There's unsubstantiated rumors.

These things didn't even go "Last Chance to Buy", they just poofed out one day. GW's been fairly good about making sure that stuff remains in circulation for Underworlds--even if their communication has been awful on some of it(Echoes of Glory, for example, wasn't billed as a "one and done" that would require you to rebuy Steelheart's Champions or Garrek's Reavers for some cards if you missed the actual pack).

**LunarSol**

stonehorse wrote:
I imagine that they'll take the easy option and just rotate them out of tournament play.

Everything about them is designed to rotate out from what I've seen.

**Kanluwen**

LunarSol wrote:

Everything about them is designed to rotate out from what I've seen.

If that were true, why didn't they rotate them out with Nightvault?

Nothing has indicated a rotation to date. This is the first time something of this nature has happened.

**Danny76**

Kanluwen wrote:
LunarSol wrote:

Everything about them is designed to rotate out from what I've seen.

If that were true, why didn't they rotate them out with Nightvault?

Nothing has indicated a rotation to date. This is the first time something of this nature has happened.

The theory being that two seasons worth at a time would be in rotation.
Makes sense, one at a time isn’t enough for that.

But equally, yeah, there’s no actual evidence of that..

**LunarSol**

The really interesting thing is that the cards are designed in such a way that they could rotate the commons and leave the warbands playable.

**parakuribo**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/08/warhammer-underworlds-the-future-of-competitive-playgw-homepage-post-1/

I don't like where this is going. Essentially, the warbands are still available, but at this point it's like getting ready for basebarr, but you don't have the ball itself. While the rotation is good, they seriously should make it where players can buy the stat and non-universal cards without having to win them.

**Kanluwen**

What We’re Doing

With Beastgrave, Warhammer Underworlds now has a lot of cards –- and there are even more on the way. Starting with the next expansion, we’ll be “rotating out” the oldest active set in Warhammer Underworlds every time we release a new season, meaning that at any given time, the card pool will be limited to those printed in the two most recent seasons.

What You Can Keep Using

Warbands will be exempt from cycling, along with any cards printed with a warband symbol. If you love the distinct play style of the Sepulchral Guard, Spiteclaw’s Swarm or any other warband you choose, you’ll be able to keep using them in competitive play into the next season and beyond.

Additionally, any cards reprinted in the two most recent seasons can still be used in your decks – even if they’re the versions first found in Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire. So, your Hold Objective cards are still valid, whether they’re displaying the horrifying artefacts of Beastgrave or the mysterious shadeglass relics of Shadespire in their art.

Why We’re Doing it

We want Warhammer Underworlds to remain fun, fresh and accessible. This change means that new players will never have more than two seasons’ worth of cards to master, keeping barriers to entry low – and giving you experienced players more opponents to test your skills against! This also ensures that the competitive scene remains dynamic and unpredictable – rather than relying on old staples, the very best players will be those who can take advantage of an always evolving card pool to create their decks.

The highlight reel.

**Chikout**

This looks like a pretty reasonable compromise to me. You will still be able to use the minis you bought and they have promised that you will still be able to use season warbands even after season 4 comes out. Cutting the universal cards is a good way of keeping things somewhat manageable going forward.

**Kanluwen**

Chikout wrote:
This looks like a pretty reasonable compromise to me. You will still be able to use the minis you bought and they have promised that you will still be able to use season warbands even after season 4 comes out.

Personal hope is that the Direct Only Easy to Build versions will start coming with the Warband specific cards--as those aren't cut from what the graphic/info suggests.

Cutting the universal cards is a good way of keeping things somewhat manageable going forward.

Frankly, if they even just cut the Universal Cards that are on the Restricted/Banned list? It'd go a long way.

As an aside, one of the funnier things that I've noticed is that quite a few of the cards given for promotional stuff have been on the Restricted/Banned lists.

**balmong7**

Is anyone else weirdly put off that the new box set is all an angry red color when everything else was a calm blue/green? Like that image made me recoil when I first looked at with the stark color differences.

**highlord tamburlaine**

It would have been nice to have the same color boxes just to make everything look pretty on the shelf.

I just want them to start teasing what kind of warbands we have coming up this time. Nightvault started to branch away from the tried and true model lines and I hope that continues.
At least we know it is with the starter this season. No reason WarCry should get all the fun and unique new models!

**callidusx3**

I feel pretty confident we’ll get more insight on Beastgrave come this time next week.

**Carlovonsexron**

Hopw so! I'm super curious about the net round of warbands!

**akai**

Shadespire and Nightvault similar color scheme as the story takes place in the same place/realm. Beastgrave is a new realm? My guess season 3 and 4 will have similar color box products...

**Chopstick**

You know I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as they don't use this so they can recycle season 1 card as "new" season 3 cards.

But then I'm certain they would recycle card like potion, push 1 hex, +1 damage as ss3 cards.

**Insane Ivan**

Chopstick wrote:
You know I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as they don't use this so they can recycle season 1 card as "new" season 3 cards.

But then I'm certain they would recycle card like potion, push 1 hex, +1 damage as ss3 cards.

They’ve already put out a ruling on that:

Additionally, any cards reprinted in the two most recent seasons can still be used in your decks – even if they’re the versions first found in Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire. So, your Hold Objective cards are still valid, whether they’re displaying the horrifying artefacts of Beastgrave or the mysterious shadeglass relics of Shadespire in their art.

So yes, they’ll recycle cards. But if they do, you can also use the “old” version instead of having to buy the new one.

**AduroT**

I like it. I was already feeling like the game had grown too big, so this is good and it lets them cull stuff and if they want bring back good ones.

**Schmapdi**

IMO - warbands shouldn't come with universal cards in the first place. Universal cards should be very basic, widely adaptable and only come with the starter sets. Though I do agree - there's a stupid amount of cards for Underworlds already - would be good to dial it in some.

Also - if the warband specific cards are good forever - why pull the Shadespire sets? How are you supposed to get those cards now if you want to play one of those warbands?

**Chopstick**

Schmapdi wrote:
IMO - warbands shouldn't come with universal cards in the first place. Universal cards should be very basic, widely adaptable and only come with the starter sets. Though I do agree - there's a stupid amount of cards for Underworlds already - would be good to dial it in some.

Also - if the warband specific cards are good forever - why pull the Shadespire sets? How are you supposed to get those cards now if you want to play one of those warbands?

Old card went OOP is normal stuff for many cards game, can't keep them up and running forever.