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Cronch wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men

I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience

How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?

That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb

Carlovonsexron wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men

I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience

How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?

That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb

That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.

My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

The real question is whether they could look as fabulous doing so.

 BertBert wrote:

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

The real question is whether they could look as fabulous doing so.

The other question is why Sigvald is wearing flats

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

Doing coreographed stunt after plenty of training for that stunt　isn't　same as reacting in changing battlefield in most efficient manner.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

She looks like somebody did a headswap onto a male Chaos Warrior and there's nothing that really defines the silhouette - no, that's not the same thing as having boobplate/heels/showing skin, so much as the limitations of the models being so small. Compare the power armour on Sisters to her proportions/the men. Of course if there's any faction that could 'bulk out' her form it would be Chaos, but presumably that's not what they were going for here.

tneva82 wrote:

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

Doing coreographed stunt after plenty of training for that stunt　isn't　same as reacting in changing battlefield in most efficient manner.

Must not be very good super human warriors if they don’t train in the war gear. Not that it matters because they’re FICTIONAL SUPER HUMANS. The writing dictates their ability to move on the battlefield, nothing else.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

She looks like somebody did a headswap onto a male Chaos Warrior and there's nothing that really defines the silhouette - no, that's not the same thing as having boobplate/heels/showing skin, so much as the limitations of the models being so small. Compare the power armour on Sisters to her proportions/the men. Of course if there's any faction that could 'bulk out' her form it would be Chaos, but presumably that's not what they were going for here.

Should there be anything that defines it? Out of any faction, i really don't see STD caring about making form fitting armour. Sister's have a point too it, it's meant to be more feminine for fluff reasons, Chaos has no reason for that. You strap on the armour (or grow it) and then wander off in the direction of the enemy.


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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Should there be anything that defines it? Out of any faction, i really don't see STD caring about making form fitting armour. Sister's have a point too it, it's meant to be more feminine for fluff reasons, Chaos has no reason for that. You strap on the armour (or grow it) and then wander off in the direction of the enemy.

I'm pretty sure the fluff is still that Chaos Warrior armour is specifically made for the wearer no? It's a status symbol that they're not running around in loincloths and leather straps. Having armour that's not a few sizes too big for you is actually pretty important.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.

I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.

He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle

JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.

I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.

Not seeing the bad faith there - however, I could imply it in a poster who is content to imply and insinuate their position, rather than state it clearly.

Admittedly, "bad faith" and "Chaos worship" kind of go hand-in-hand. Or hand-to-hand, in the case of the model in question.

JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.

I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.

What was bad faith about it, pray tell?

Billicus wrote:
He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle

If the torsos are all of the same size there isn't any difference regarding to gender.

It's all a bit of a weird concept but I meant that since I know the instructions tell you to use the more feminine shaped faces on certain bodies, I infer that those bodies are the "female" ones.

 Dysartes wrote:
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Not seeing the bad faith there - however, I could imply it in a poster who is content to imply and insinuate their position, rather than state it clearly.

Admittedly, "bad faith" and "Chaos worship" kind of go hand-in-hand. Or hand-to-hand, in the case of the model in question.

My guess is 'bad faith' means they're wanting something to be posted they can leap on with a "Oh so you're just a sexist who want to ogle an attractive female model is that it???" At least that's my interpretation from reading the thread.

Billicus wrote:
It's all a bit of a weird concept but I meant that since I know the instructions tell you to use the more feminine shaped faces on certain bodies, I infer that those bodies are the "female" ones.

That might have more to do with the stock poses than anything else. I wouldn't be shocked if any head will go on any body when the multi-part release lands.

Good point. It might well be that there's no difference at all - I don't have a dog in that fight, they can do what they like, they look cool to me (wouldn't have bought 'em otherwise)

Dysartes wrote:

JSG wrote:

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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JSG wrote:
A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.

What does this actually mean?

You have eyes, you know what it means.

No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.

I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.

Slakeslash looking good!

Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

They'd also be fine with wearing shiny speedos only, or while juggling puppies, being super-human and all, but somehow it never comes up, but man will people rally to the defense of heeled combat ladies in 28mm scale

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?

That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.

Billicus wrote:
He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle

Pretty much how I’m doing it with my Marines. I tend to have every other squad leader or so without their helmet on, and I put some female heads on a few of them, which then implies any number of the helmeted ones could be female as well. Who could really tell thru a full suit of power armor?

Cronch wrote:

 zend wrote:
My default response to the heels argument:

https://youtu.be/W47cDTvyxW4

If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.

They'd also be fine with wearing shiny speedos only, or while juggling puppies, being super-human and all, but somehow it never comes up, but man will people rally to the defense of heeled combat ladies in 28mm scale

Oh I personally don’t care, I just have fun poking holes in peoples silly arguments. Both sides care about muh realism until it goes against their argument.

Nothings stopping GW from producing those minis except for the fact that they wouldn’t sell much! If they stood to make good profit from a Space Wolves marine juggling Fenrisian wolf pups in a Speedo, you bet your ass they’d make it. As it stands, they’re not going to lose much in potential sales from people that refuse to buy fantasy minis in heels and boobplate, so they still make them.

I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?

This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??

At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.

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JSG wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?

That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.

So are you looking for the Stormcast equivalent then? Slimmer frame, solid boobplate etc?

Glad to see that it is the same price as last year. With the awesome warbands on the way and the ridiculous prices of everything else I think underworlds will be my game of choice next year.