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Yeah, I wished the X-Men "inspiration" was not that on the nose.

Solid model otherwise.

 Theophony wrote:
Wolverine claws and an "X" on the forehead , I hope they name him L-Orc-gan

I noticed the Wolverine pose but didn't connect it with the "x" on his forehead

I guess the Marvel Comic deal opened more doors than we thought. Sadly, this means we won't get some Soulblights with youthful wards in green spandex any time soon :(

Look meh, even the pose is similar to Hakka from Ironskull boys.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Geeze GW are terrible at painting muscles. I'll guess those muscles aren't actually made from narrow chasms and sharp edges

No they are. Savage orcs are from that era when GW decided that sharp edges on organic tissue is going to be their new art style.

I have some of those Savage Orcs, they are not nearly as bad as the paint job makes them look. Maybe the muscles are a bit over-defined, but the paint job turns it up to 11. If you do a google image search you'll find the same models painted by people other than GW and they look a lot better.

GW just decided to almost "blackline" the crevices as if it were power armour and edge highlight the muscles when no such edge exists (or is much too soft to warrant an edge highlight).

If they got someone to paint the muscles with proper blending using glazes, it'd probably represent the underlying model a lot better.

I'm not so sure. Ever since their first muscle-bound CAD model, I've had a hard time with the look of GW's 'muscled' models. The bloodthirster, the khorne blood-blooders, minotaurs, etc. I even own some of the latter, and its really both. The muscles themselves look really very odd, and they're also painted in a fashion that just doesn't work for flesh.

Part of it is simply that their only 'trick' these days is 'edge highlighting' and they use it on everything regardless of circumstances (and grossly over do it), but also the structure of the models is just... odd. In both cases what works for armor doesn't work for flesh.

Voss wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Geeze GW are terrible at painting muscles. I'll guess those muscles aren't actually made from narrow chasms and sharp edges

No they are. Savage orcs are from that era when GW decided that sharp edges on organic tissue is going to be their new art style.

I have some of those Savage Orcs, they are not nearly as bad as the paint job makes them look. Maybe the muscles are a bit over-defined, but the paint job turns it up to 11. If you do a google image search you'll find the same models painted by people other than GW and they look a lot better.

GW just decided to almost "blackline" the crevices as if it were power armour and edge highlight the muscles when no such edge exists (or is much too soft to warrant an edge highlight).

If they got someone to paint the muscles with proper blending using glazes, it'd probably represent the underlying model a lot better.

I'm not so sure. Ever since their first muscle-bound CAD model, I've had a hard time with the look of GW's 'muscled' models. The bloodthirster, the khorne blood-blooders, minotaurs, etc. I even own some of the latter, and its really both. The muscles themselves look really very odd, and they're also painted in a fashion that just doesn't work for flesh.

Part of it is simply that their only 'trick' these days is 'edge highlighting' and they use it on everything regardless of circumstances (and grossly over do it), but also the structure of the models is just... odd. In both cases what works for armor doesn't work for flesh.

I'm not going to say GW area great at doing muscled models, but they're no where near as bad as the paint jobs make them look. The Minotaurs are definitely a low point though, the Savage Orcs are nowhere near as bad as that. If you find some Savage Orcs painted by a skilled painter, they look good, the Minotaurs are always terrible no matter who paints them, lol.

The muscle-edges really don't exist on the Savage Orc models, they're purely painted on. The crevices are a bit overdone, but again they look so much worse than they are in reality because GW chooses to effectively black line them.

Not a bad mini by any means. I like the updated aesthetic for the savage orcs. I was personally hoping for Spiderfang grots, but that was a bit far fetched.

Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

 GaroRobe wrote:
Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

They’re all going to be the same as the chaos one. Warbands in a series have never cost a different amount, and I don’t see why they’d start doing so now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

They’re all going to be the same as the chaos one. Warbands in a series have never cost a different amount, and I don’t see why they’d start doing so now.

Wurmspat, Rippa, Grymwatch, and Hrothgorn were all $33 while Morgok and Morgwaeth were $35.

Beastgrave did see varying prices.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

They’re all going to be the same as the chaos one. Warbands in a series have never cost a different amount, and I don’t see why they’d start doing so now.

Wurmspat, Rippa, Grymwatch, and Hrothgorn were all $33 while Morgok and Morgwaeth were $35.

Beastgrave did see varying prices.

Wasn’t there a general price rise in that time though, and the previous ones went up in price too?

Let’s put it this way then, they aren’t going to charge less for a later released warband.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

They’re all going to be the same as the chaos one. Warbands in a series have never cost a different amount, and I don’t see why they’d start doing so now.

Wurmspat, Rippa, Grymwatch, and Hrothgorn were all $33 while Morgok and Morgwaeth were $35.

Beastgrave did see varying prices.

Wasn’t there a general price rise in that time though, and the previous ones went up in price too?

Let’s put it this way then, they aren’t going to charge less for a later released warband.

I had to check, but the original warbands all debuted at $30. And then were released without the cards for $25. I guess you could try to justify some of the releases, like the vampire one, since each model (save maybe the wing guy) could serve as HQs, and would probably cost $25 (HA) to $30-35 separately. It's harder to swallow when you get a bunch of skinks and a saurus, though. Even if ones a chamelon and ones a priest. Either way, if the Starstrider's cost $40, no way any of the other warbands this season will cost less

I'm actually hoping some more of them get released without cards and in standard grey plastic. I really hate the brightly colored plastic of Underworld's stuff, and frankly I am buying them for other skirmish games, anyway. So the cards are just an added cost I will not use.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm actually hoping some more of them get released without cards and in standard grey plastic. I really hate the brightly colored plastic of Underworld's stuff, and frankly I am buying them for other skirmish games, anyway. So the cards are just an added cost I will not use.

Usually it happens at the end of a season, but who knows what COVID has done to that.

Plus they've been "direct only" items as apparently they weren't great sellers solo.

Is there any difference between the grey plastic and colored plastic sprues? I got the Wurmspat (green plastic) and the mold lines were awful. If the molds are any better in grey plastic, I'll hold off on the Crimson Court, since they'll almost definitely red plastic (or maybe dark purple)

I'm not a big fan of priming and painting over it. Any scratches to the paint job, and suddenly you have neon orange/purple/yellow/green showing through. I also hate trying to clean mold lines from eye-searing colors.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Not sure why I didn't notice the price creep until now, but $40 for a Underworld team is a bit much. May even stop me from getting the Vampires for a bit, unless they cost the original $35 (no way they'll be a $33 team.) Wish we had another warband to compare prices to, but Khagra's ravagers are the only separate warband of this season out atm

They’re all going to be the same as the chaos one. Warbands in a series have never cost a different amount, and I don’t see why they’d start doing so now.

Wurmspat, Rippa, Grymwatch, and Hrothgorn were all $33 while Morgok and Morgwaeth were $35.

Beastgrave did see varying prices.

Wasn’t there a general price rise in that time though, and the previous ones went up in price too?

Let’s put it this way then, they aren’t going to charge less for a later released warband.

I had to check, but the original warbands all debuted at $30. And then were released without the cards for $25. I guess you could try to justify some of the releases, like the vampire one, since each model (save maybe the wing guy) could serve as HQs, and would probably cost $25 (HA) to $30-35 separately. It's harder to swallow when you get a bunch of skinks and a saurus, though. Even if ones a chamelon and ones a priest. Either way, if the Starstrider's cost $40, no way any of the other warbands this season will cost less

I believe here they were £17.50 for season 1, £20 for 2, £22.50 for 3. And now £25 for season 4.


Wasn’t that $33 to $35 a price rise you guys got. As all the warbands also went to 35 from that seasons sets?

But as mentioned. They have a price. Lizards will 100% be that price as well.
(Also, they can’t argue vampires to cost more as they are characters. Characters for what? As underworlds is the game and that’s it.
You can’t say oh these cost more because of that other game some people might play. There’s a lot of people on the Underworlds discord for instance that the only game they play from GW is WHU. It’d be madness).

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any difference between the grey plastic and colored plastic sprues? I got the Wurmspat (green plastic) and the mold lines were awful. If the molds are any better in grey plastic, I'll hold off on the Crimson Court, since they'll almost definitely red plastic (or maybe dark purple)

I doubt it. They aren't going to cut new molds for that and the plastic's the same (the normal plastic is also dyed, despite what some inevitably claim), so there shouldn't be any real difference.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any difference between the grey plastic and colored plastic sprues? I got the Wurmspat (green plastic) and the mold lines were awful. If the molds are any better in grey plastic, I'll hold off on the Crimson Court, since they'll almost definitely red plastic (or maybe dark purple)

The plastic is exactly the same, the colour is purely an additive added to the mix to give colour. Even grey is a colour additive to give that shade.

The moulds are also the very same, so any mould lines will be pretty much similar model to model no matter the pigment colour of the plastic.


That said moulds degrade over time and thus you might see grey plastic with worse mould lines than coloured simply because the grey is cast and sold after the coloured. However in general most modern GW plastics have been very very good at having very little in the way of mould line problems.

Of course if you want the best chance of reduced mould lines, get the models early. Earlier castings will have been done with less wear and tear on the mould and thus less mould lines.

I know the colour is supposed to be an additive, but the plastic feels different under the knife when cleaning mould lines. Almost like it’s a bit softer.

I wonder if to make the very bright colours the amount of colour they add messes with the mix a bit.

Way back many moons ago I got a box of lizardmen which seemed to be a darker grey than normal and they went the other way, the plastic seemed harder but more brittle. Many a spear and javelin got snapped out of that set.

Also if worried about paint chipping Vallejo Mecha Primer is designed to be resistant to chipping.

 Overread wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any difference between the grey plastic and colored plastic sprues? I got the Wurmspat (green plastic) and the mold lines were awful. If the molds are any better in grey plastic, I'll hold off on the Crimson Court, since they'll almost definitely red plastic (or maybe dark purple)

The plastic is exactly the same, the colour is purely an additive added to the mix to give colour. Even grey is a colour additive to give that shade.

The moulds are also the very same, so any mould lines will be pretty much similar model to model no matter the pigment colour of the plastic.


That said moulds degrade over time and thus you might see grey plastic with worse mould lines than coloured simply because the grey is cast and sold after the coloured. However in general most modern GW plastics have been very very good at having very little in the way of mould line problems.

Of course if you want the best chance of reduced mould lines, get the models early. Earlier castings will have been done with less wear and tear on the mould and thus less mould lines.

Some moulds are also just naff.

I got a bunch of the Pestilens kits when they first came out, and those had really prominent mould lines which took an age to clean off.

Guess the kits are moulded en-masse, so any slight misalignment during a run is gonna be visible on hundreds of sprues.

I've also bought brand new release GW plastic kits that have had terrible mould lines on what should be the first run of kits. Not recently though, this was a few years back.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I've also bought brand new release GW plastic kits that have had terrible mould lines on what should be the first run of kits. Not recently though, this was a few years back.

A few years ago, I was starting to believe that GW really were the master of plastic. Mold lines seemed to be designed to be along seams and joints or were just not there.

Nowadays, they're all over every tiny little piece. Building necromunda figures meant I was scraping lines off every side of 17 tiny pieces.
In contrast, the last SW Legion kit I built (Clan Wren), the only scraping I did was at the tiny joins from cutting them off the sprue.

I know mold lines get worse over the lifetime of a mold (metal and resin far worse than plastic) but I think GW have stopped bothering caring. It's just about the fancy poses and details now.

Sniktbub meets Sniktboy.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
On the muscle thing, its the result of how the GW painting method works
Base, wash, layer highlight. These models are meant to look like something resonably acheivable, not a masterclass.

While I understand the point, they came a little too far:
Warhammer TV painting video for the hedonite release this week was
a pain to watch. These figures deserve better than this "battle ready".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Mjjc9yaAk&t=53s

Everyone can make his opinion...

Its just a result of how GW does its paint jobs to look like they are achievably, which is why you see the distinct layering method they use.
ITs why they boxes dont have NMM or other big fancy techniques to not push away people

I see zero issues with the battle-ready thing shown, it looks nicer than 90% of stuff that'll actually hit the tabletop?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its just a result of how GW does its paint jobs to look like they are achievably, which is why you see the distinct layering method they use.
ITs why they boxes dont have NMM or other big fancy techniques to not push away people

That's fine to an extent, but they also shouldn't make a model look like poo just because they want to religiously follow a painting technique that is inappropriate for the model. An Orc, especially a character type model, can't be blacklined and edge highlighted without it making the muscles look silly, so instead of putting people off with an unachievable paint job, they put them off with a model that looks awful (but is probably fine under their hideous paint job).

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mortar_crew wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
On the muscle thing, its the result of how the GW painting method works
Base, wash, layer highlight. These models are meant to look like something resonably acheivable, not a masterclass.

While I understand the point, they came a little too far:
Warhammer TV painting video for the hedonite release this week was
a pain to watch. These figures deserve better than this "battle ready".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Mjjc9yaAk&t=53s

Everyone can make his opinion...

Bit of a difference between box art and a painting tutorial clearly targeted at newbie painters.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its just a result of how GW does its paint jobs to look like they are achievably, which is why you see the distinct layering method they use.
ITs why they boxes dont have NMM or other big fancy techniques to not push away people

Sorry to bring this thread up again, but I just saw the Sigvald model and was reminded of this comment, as they painted it with NMM. GW definitely use smoother and more advanced techniques on some of their show models, just for some reason with Orcs they stick to blacklining and edge highlighting even though it's an inappropriate technique for muscles.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I know the colour is supposed to be an additive, but the plastic feels different under the knife when cleaning mould lines. Almost like it’s a bit softer.

I wonder if to make the very bright colours the amount of colour they add messes with the mix a bit.

Way back many moons ago I got a box of lizardmen which seemed to be a darker grey than normal and they went the other way, the plastic seemed harder but more brittle. Many a spear and javelin got snapped out of that set.

I think this is just in your head.

The only case where you may legitimately see (or feel) a big difference in the consistency of their plastic is if you get a hold of sprues from, like, 10-15+ years ago, when their plastic was actually softer and more buttery. I believe they switched up their formula at some point to spend less on the petroleum-based additives. The old stuff is usually a paler shade of grey than what we see now. I actually prefer working with the new formula; more prone to snapping, but less prone to bending.