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GW can relentlessly push it for a year or two though. Strong models will generate sales regardless of game.

Yeah GW has one big advantage that the other named firms don't in that its not their only game. In fact its a side game.

The other firms if they make a mistake its either their main bread winner or a significant title in their roster. So it failing is a huge financial problem in terms of income.

GW can have Underworlds entirely fail and still keep going very healthily. The models wouldn't even have to go to waste as they can be rolled into AoS packaging and sent out through that - problem solved.

Indeed that fact alone means that GW ensures there's always going to be a base line of sales for AoS fans not just Underworld fans.



It's not just that strong models will sell a game, its that the firm behind isn't reliant on the income. Meanwhile Warmachine failing to sell well is a huge blow for PP as there goes their primary product line and biggest investment.

The big difference between this and xwing 2nd edition is that in xwing 2.0 there were rather extensive and exorbitant costs passed on to the consumer to purchase replacement cardboard for their otherwise invalidated collections and no lower cost alternatives provided. That doesn't seem to be the case here.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The big difference between this and xwing 2nd edition is that in xwing 2.0 there were rather extensive and exorbitant costs passed on to the consumer to purchase replacement cardboard for their otherwise invalidated collections and no lower cost alternatives provided. That doesn't seem to be the case here.

Unless you want to play in events, which will likely require the physical products instead of printed off Warscroll and fighter cards.

It is pretty much the same thing as X-Wing 2.0, since with 2.0 you could print the cards off of any army builder and proxy them at home.

GW has stated that only 16 of the 58 old warbands will be matched play legal, so the rest are all legends. The only way to get the new Rivals decks is going to be in the new starter, so you are already looking around probably $140-160 just to use your old stuff, which is about the same cost as three of the Conversion kits for X-Wing 2.0 when that dropped.

And the only way to get the physical warscroll cards to likely be matched legal is going to be buying the same 16 old warbands you already have. And with warbands losing their faction decks, we are likely going to be paying the same, if not more, per box for less.

Is that consistent with other GW event rules though? You don't need a physical codex or kill team data cards do you?

More rules talk:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/inwncgqf/discover-the-four-playstyles-and-rivals-decks-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-underworlds/

Have to be honest, the photos are starting to grow on me a bit as they're setting them up to match the flavour text of the cards.

Nemesis format/deck building:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/w7xuiqkb/all-hands-on-decks-deck-building-in-warhammer-underworlds-embergard/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

There is a new starter set, and 3 releases of 2 new warbands each throughout 2025

To get started, the later warbands are being re-released.
"Sixteen current warbands will be rereleased shortly after launch across four boxes, one for each Grand Alliance containing all the relevant fighter and warscroll cards. "

But also for exisiting collectors:
"Avid Warhammer Underworlds players who already own many of these warbands, will be able to buy the Warbands of Embergard card set, which contains every fighter and warband warscroll card for all 16 warbands, bringing your existing collection into the new edition with ease. But beware, it will only be available while stocks last."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

Roadmap and older bands. I have to say, i like the look of those four packs. Gonna have to grab the chaos and destruction one.

Also nice to have a big pack of cards for people who already own them and the digital download for the others

The big pack of cards is nice but it should cover every warband. They're card GW, the production cost is not the limit here.

Selling most of the range only in boxes of the four seems a guaranteed way to make sure this edition fails. It's such an obvious way to stop take-up.

Oh are they sets of warbands?

Interesting. Unfortunately the ones I was keen on (Skaven and Skellingtons) aren’t included.

 The Phazer wrote:
The big pack of cards is nice but it should cover every warband. They're card GW, the production cost is not the limit here.

Selling most of the range only in boxes of the four seems a guaranteed way to make sure this edition fails. It's such an obvious way to stop take-up.

I don't really see that. If you're a newbie i think i'd rather see a cheaper box of a selection of warbands rather than a legion of single packs.

 The Phazer wrote:
Selling most of the range only in boxes of the four seems a guaranteed way to make sure this edition fails.

If groups of players split the boxes, it isn't as bad.
But players are often an isolated bunch, coming out only to get games in, and sharing isn't something we're known for.

And, what used to be pocket-money (if we're lucky) prices, they won't be that any more. Drive-by sales will drop.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really see that. If you're a newbie i think i'd rather see a cheaper box of a selection of warbands rather than a legion of single packs.

Just wait to see the prices of a 4-pack, or the pairs. Those pairs will be prices around the previous season set, but without the boards and dice.

NO SONS OF VELMORN??????!!!!???!??!??!?


I guess they’ll get a future release

I was excited until the caffeine kicked in and I realized those were bundles, not individual bands being re-released. There are ones I would have bought individually, but I can't see getting gouged for 1 or 2 bands out of four 4.

You had one fething job GW, one simple job. That was to re-release Sons of Velmorn. Useless bastards.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I was excited until the caffeine kicked in and I realized those were bundles, not individual bands being re-released. There are ones I would have bought individually, but I can't see getting gouged for 1 or 2 bands out of four 4.

People will sell them for like $30 on eBay, which is cheaper than they’d be individually from GW, even before the price hikes

 Skinnereal wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

There is a new starter set, and 3 releases of 2 new warbands each throughout 2025

I read it of 3 releases of 1 warband each for 2025. Which would be a massive slowdown if true from the 8 warbands a year we've been getting in the current system.* I may even pick this up if it's going to be more manageable.

It's also not clear if the new rivals decks are going to come with the warbands or be separate releases. If separate that may be how they keep the prices down while still putting them up, if that makes sense.


*though may just be the way they've done the diagram as they also talk about "first part of 2025"

Looks like a pretty consumer-friendly setup to me

 GaroRobe wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I was excited until the caffeine kicked in and I realized those were bundles, not individual bands being re-released. There are ones I would have bought individually, but I can't see getting gouged for 1 or 2 bands out of four 4.

People will sell them for like $30 on eBay, which is cheaper than they’d be individually from GW, even before the price hikes

Fingers crossed!

Been a while since I bought some underworld models. Dont play the game but the chaos bundle looks great for side painting projects and I dont have any of them.

deano2099 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

There is a new starter set, and 3 releases of 2 new warbands each throughout 2025

I read it of 3 releases of 1 warband each for 2025. Which would be a massive slowdown if true from the 8 warbands a year we've been getting in the current system.* I may even pick this up if it's going to be more manageable.

It's also not clear if the new rivals decks are going to come with the warbands or be separate releases. If separate that may be how they keep the prices down while still putting them up, if that makes sense.


*though may just be the way they've done the diagram as they also talk about "first part of 2025"

I agree that it reads as 3 single warband releases

 skrulnik wrote:

deano2099 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

There is a new starter set, and 3 releases of 2 new warbands each throughout 2025

I read it of 3 releases of 1 warband each for 2025. Which would be a massive slowdown if true from the 8 warbands a year we've been getting in the current system.* I may even pick this up if it's going to be more manageable.

It's also not clear if the new rivals decks are going to come with the warbands or be separate releases. If separate that may be how they keep the prices down while still putting them up, if that makes sense.


*though may just be the way they've done the diagram as they also talk about "first part of 2025"

I agree that it reads as 3 single warband releases

Presumably they'll get supplemented by the re-release of the older teams.

Yep, 3x single warbands, not the 3 twice I said.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

Roadmap and older bands. I have to say, i like the look of those four packs. Gonna have to grab the chaos and destruction one.

Also nice to have a big pack of cards for people who already own them and the digital download for the others

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like Ephilim's Pandaemonium is the only warband to NOT get its own standalone release. I really want that warband for my Tzeentch collection, but I already have Khagra's Ravagers and have no desire to collect the Slaanesh or Khorne warband.

What the hell, GW?!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bftjprgq/warhammer-underworlds-roadmap-get-set-for-a-year-of-releases/

Roadmap and older bands. I have to say, i like the look of those four packs. Gonna have to grab the chaos and destruction one.

Also nice to have a big pack of cards for people who already own them and the digital download for the others

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like Ephilim's Pandaemonium is the only warband to NOT get its own standalone release. I really want that warband for my Tzeentch collection, but I already have Khagra's Ravagers and have no desire to collect the Slaanesh or Khorne warband.

What the hell, GW?!

I don't think any of the six warbands from the last three big boxes (Wyrdhollow, Deathgorge, Wintermaw) got separate releases.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like Ephilim's Pandaemonium is the only warband to NOT get its own standalone release. I really want that warband for my Tzeentch collection, but I already have Khagra's Ravagers and have no desire to collect the Slaanesh or Khorne warband.

What the hell, GW?!

Same. I bought Khagra's Ravagers and the Dread Pageant back when they were new. I still haven't finished painting either of them and I don't need the duplicates. It makes me worry that the Pandaemonium is going to be insanely priced on the secondary market...

Organised play, who's valid etc:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ep5buday/warhammer-underworlds-organised-play-the-shape-of-competitive-games-in-the-new-edition/

For those Keen on Velmorn, the bottom of the article gives strong hope.

They've also removed the actual roadmap image (that implied just three new warbands and decks in 2025) and the text may have changed a bit on the previous article:

"That’s two new warbands and two new Rivals decks to join the contents of Embergard just weeks after launch, and then additional warbands and decks released at regular junctures throughout 2025. "

"This prevents players from being locked out of a powerful warband or deck which they can’t buy, and helps maintain proper competitive balance. "
You know the other solution to this, GW? Make the warbands available for people to buy, even if only as an annual M2O run...