Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Wandering past USRs the "seven powers per discipline" thing has produced a lot of incredibly useless psychic powers. Malefic 1 and 2, Banishment, Scryer's Gaze, Mental Fortitude, and Enhance/Drain are the ones I most frequently see people forgetting they have.

Strafing run is probably used more than you might expect, and I bet Zealot is used a lot just because SM Chaplains have it. Hatred and Preferred Enemy come up a lot too, though when it's against a specific army you can feel bad for using it. Like if I include Pedro Kantor in my SM army, EVERYTHING gets PE and Hatred (Orks). Orks however get nothing in return. I'm pretty sure a few more armies have similar rules as well (Farsight, Death Korps etc.), and rerolling 1s for basically everything is quite useful, and will result in that player having an easier time.

Weapons that are both two-handed and specialist weapons...

Roughly two-thirds of the powers I roll never get used.

Any rule you forget most of the time is useless in my view. Soul blaze, it will not die, pinning etc.

ramming other vehicles rules. I have literally never seen a person use a ram since the end of 5th edition orks when deffrollas were nerfed into oblivion

This one time, in 6th edition, I rammed a rhino with a land raider.

Nothing interesting happened.

Strangely, I use soul blaze all the time. My current army fields 4 squads of purifiers plus Crowe. The last time, I ended up using soul blaze to real effect. Someone dropped 9 drop pods worth of space wolves around my 4 rhinos. They popped the units out of the rhino but failed to actually kill any full unit.

Come my psychic phase I did 5 novas catching nearly everyone. Every unit at the end of the turn had soul blaze. It did kill a couple extra guys.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Oberron wrote:
zealot is literally two other rules in one.

One of those rules doesn't roll over to the entire unit though.

Doesn't Zealot itself confer to the entire unit?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Oberron wrote:
zealot is literally two other rules in one.

One of those rules doesn't roll over to the entire unit though.

Doesn't Zealot itself confer to the entire unit?

Hatred might not go to the unit but Zealot does. There's also a formation in Traitors Hate that gives the Dark Apostle a 12" bubble iirc.

My Destroyers, and thus my Wraiths, LOVE preferred enemy.

Useless rule? Stubborn. I can't think of anything that has it off hand. I know during one game my opponent had it and never remembered it or really had to make use of it.

Rule I wish was back: True Grit

 G00fySmiley wrote:
ramming other vehicles rules. I have literally never seen a person use a ram since the end of 5th edition orks when deffrollas were nerfed into oblivion

I ram all the time.
Once my Rhinos have off loaded their passengers I find they're best used as guided missiles.
Vindicators even more so if they're lost their main gun.

My group find Objective secured to be useless for us.
It almost never comes up and has never determined the outcome of any of our games.

Even the dice gods don't seem to want us to use it.
(I had an obsec Rhino steal an objective by tank-shocking a non-obsec unit so they ran away, so obsec was pointless)

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Oberron wrote:
zealot is literally two other rules in one.

One of those rules doesn't roll over to the entire unit though.

Doesn't Zealot itself confer to the entire unit?

Hatred might not go to the unit but Zealot does. There's also a formation in Traitors Hate that gives the Dark Apostle a 12" bubble iirc.

But Zealot is Hatred and Fearless rolled into one special rule that confers to the whole unit meaning everyone has Hatred and Fearless.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

But Zealot is Hatred and Fearless rolled into one special rule that confers to the whole unit meaning everyone has Hatred and Fearless.

I'm going to have to point out that it gives the effects of fearless not the actual rule. Which makes Space Marine Chaplains one of the few Space Marine models that can be affected by Dark Eldar soul-fright weapons. (The others being Servitors and the Thunderfire cannon)

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
ramming other vehicles rules. I have literally never seen a person use a ram since the end of 5th edition orks when deffrollas were nerfed into oblivion

I ram all the time.
Once my Rhinos have off loaded their passengers I find they're best used as guided missiles.
Vindicators even more so if they're lost their main gun.

ramming other vehicles or tank shocking units? I find tank shocking units quite effective, it is the I ram your rhino with my battlewagon... nothing happens

Tank shocking is amazing! Once a unit starts fleeing you can keep poking it with tank shocks and force it way back, perhaps even off the board!

Jbz` wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

But Zealot is Hatred and Fearless rolled into one special rule that confers to the whole unit meaning everyone has Hatred and Fearless.

I'm going to have to point out that it gives the effects of fearless not the actual rule. Which makes Space Marine Chaplains one of the few Space Marine models that can be affected by Dark Eldar soul-fright weapons. (The others being Servitors and the Thunderfire cannon)

Zealot's effect is to give the Fearless USR, not just the effects of it

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
ramming other vehicles rules. I have literally never seen a person use a ram since the end of 5th edition orks when deffrollas were nerfed into oblivion

I ram all the time.
Once my Rhinos have off loaded their passengers I find they're best used as guided missiles.
Vindicators even more so if they're lost their main gun.

ramming other vehicles or tank shocking units? I find tank shocking units quite effective, it is the I ram your rhino with my battlewagon... nothing happens

Both.
Obviously I don't ram battlewagons (frontally).
But a Rhino for example hits at S7. A Vindicator hits as hard as a missile launcher.
My Vindicator once lost it's cannon first turn to a Lasback, so it spend the remainder of the game beating it to death with his face (ironically destroying it's lascannon first turn right back).

I've had less luck with tank shocks, partly because I often fight high leadership armies which just move out the way zero gaks given.

Fear may be useless, but I would argue against getting rid of it, as the OP suggests; instead, the majority of things that ignore it should be done away with, or toned down, to make it more relevant.

I've used Mysterious Objectives quite a lot, actually.

I'd get rid of most of the special effects that scenery has (apart from the generic " is it Difficult or Dangerous Ground, and what's its Cover Save?". The two times I've played a siege game, we all forgot that the trench lines have one special rule and the heavy weapon pits another.

If we're just going to list rules we don't personally encounter much, then anything from the Tau, Necron or Ork codexes.

 CrownAxe wrote:

Zealot's effect is to give the Fearless USR, not just the effects of it

It was in 6th ed, in 7th rulebook it specifically tells about re-rolls, auto-passing tests, gtg and 'our weapons are useless' without a mention of Fearless or Hatred.

Mates even soul blaze doesn't have anything on this rule.

Sweeping fire special rule for custodes jetbikes.

Rule says may fire each of their weapons once. They only have one ranged weapon they can shoot....

The rule has literally 0 use.

Fear has won me games, but I mostly play against Necrons, Tau and DEldar.

The search light I find absolutely useless, though it's not a USR.
Agreed on ramming, but I tank shock quite often, after your rhino has delivered its load it's sometimes the most useful thing to do..
And soul blaze... much dice rolling for sth. that basically can kill only an ork boy.

Jbz` wrote:
My group find Objective secured to be useless for us.
It almost never comes up and has never determined the outcome of any of our games.

Even the dice gods don't seem to want us to use it.
(I had an obsec Rhino steal an objective by tank-shocking a non-obsec unit so they ran away, so obsec was pointless)

I have lost more than one game due to not having Objective Secured, or due to my opponent having it. It only really matters in Maelstrom games, though - Usually there aren't enough units on the board to matter during an Eternal War mission.

(For one example, my opponent run a KDK list with a bunch of hounds - They scouted forward and were on top of my objectives before I had a turn. They couldn't hurt me, but it denied me like three VPs from the cards I got.)

Waaaghpower wrote:

Jbz` wrote:
My group find Objective secured to be useless for us.
It almost never comes up and has never determined the outcome of any of our games.

Even the dice gods don't seem to want us to use it.
(I had an obsec Rhino steal an objective by tank-shocking a non-obsec unit so they ran away, so obsec was pointless)

I have lost more than one game due to not having Objective Secured, or due to my opponent having it. It only really matters in Maelstrom games, though - Usually there aren't enough units on the board to matter during an Eternal War mission.

(For one example, my opponent run a KDK list with a bunch of hounds - They scouted forward and were on top of my objectives before I had a turn. They couldn't hurt me, but it denied me like three VPs from the cards I got.)

Objec secured can and has mattered for me a few times. It ususally is only important on blobs or assault units, or against non Obsec drop pods or transports that AFK on their objectives. I'm glad the rule exists but IMO it's so fringe in its usefulness I'd prefer if troops got it universally.

Arson Fire wrote:
Many tyranid monstrous creatures coming with an AP6 close combat weapon is kinda amusing. Particularly on those that are unable to replace it, or take a second one.

Adding to this, the Bloodcrusher's 6+ armor save.

6+ ARMOR SAVE. The thing has the freaking Daemonic Rule. Why the hell does this exist? And it doesn't even matter for Grav anyways since I think the default is 6 anyhow.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:
Many tyranid monstrous creatures coming with an AP6 close combat weapon is kinda amusing. Particularly on those that are unable to replace it, or take a second one.

Adding to this, the Bloodcrusher's 6+ armor save.

6+ ARMOR SAVE. The thing has the freaking Daemonic Rule. Why the hell does this exist? And it doesn't even matter for Grav anyways since I think the default is 6 anyhow.

Probably as a place holder or something. Every unit I think has a save. It's probably there in case you find some rule that modifies saves in some way. If it had no save it'd be impossible or need some FAQ if it got something like a +1 to armor save reroll if armor saves.

Also it sorta kinda helps against dangerous terrain I guess.

How does it help against terrain?

 JNAProductions wrote:
How does it help against terrain?

1/6th the time you dont lose a wound

Though this helps more in gaunts than deamons, that of for certain.

But... They have a 5+ invuln. They can just take that.

 Jaxler wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:
Many tyranid monstrous creatures coming with an AP6 close combat weapon is kinda amusing. Particularly on those that are unable to replace it, or take a second one.

Adding to this, the Bloodcrusher's 6+ armor save.

6+ ARMOR SAVE. The thing has the freaking Daemonic Rule. Why the hell does this exist? And it doesn't even matter for Grav anyways since I think the default is 6 anyhow.

Probably as a place holder or something. Every unit I think has a save. It's probably there in case you find some rule that modifies saves in some way. If it had no save it'd be impossible or need some FAQ if it got something like a +1 to armor save reroll if armor saves.

Also it sorta kinda helps against dangerous terrain I guess.

A lot of other types of daemon don't have saves, the bloodcrusher is the only one that has a save worse than it's invul save, which is very weird because as far as I know, at no point does it even come up.

Stikkbomb Chukkas upgrade for Ork vehicles.

Confers stikkbombs to a unit that charges the turn it disembarks.
Ain't no infantry in the codex that don't have stikkbombs...