Age of Sigmar news & rumours : Malign Portents

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**NinthMusketeer**

SeanDrake wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I just hope that if this is "Not Mordheim" that they treat the fans with a little more respect, acknowledging that book-keeping isn't anathema to game design automatically.

The areas where Shadow-War is losing interest in our group is, almost across the board, the places where they dumbed it down from Necromunda. The core is obviously terrific, but boy does it feel like they thought basic math, and record keeping would terrify modern gamers.

If Not-Mordheim does any of the same i'll have to Frankenstein the old and new rules together... again. :-p

I would not hold your breath it's looking like there doing the same to 40k an like AoS, they think subtracting 3 is the most difficult the players can manage.

Given the intelligence of the average internet messages these days can you really blame them? Dakka is hardly intellectual yet stands among those few bastions of reason amidst a maelstrom of idiocy.

**RazorEdge**

I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.

**str00dles1**

RazorEdge wrote:

I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.

I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible

**Valander**

str00dles1 wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:

I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.

I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible

Yeah, I hope it isn't "shoehorn older WHFB rules into a skirmish thing." I'd much prefer something newish that still felt AoS. I guess we'll have to wait and see, though, since not much other than this announcement is available about it yet.

**MLaw**

I'm blessed to be sitting on complete Mordheim.. so if this is a reboot it's going to have to come with a non-limited box with some terrain that isn't crazy priced like the Shadow stuff.. Otherwise, Frostgrave and Mordheim will continue scratching that itch.. That and I still have my Skirmish book from WHFB (6th or 7th?)

**bbb**

Very interesting.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

I thought AoS was a skirmish game?

**Mymearan**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I thought AoS was a skirmish game?

I don't think GW ever used that word in their marketing. As for players, everyone has their own definition of the word.

**Not-not-kenny**

Yeah, a game where most basic units have a lowest model count of ten is hardly what I'd call a skirmish game, but to each their own.

**Lord Kragan**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I thought AoS was a skirmish game?

It depends really on the definition. As Mymearan said they've never marketed AoS as a skirmish game. Furthermore it's really "rigid" to actually be skirmish when it comes to the distance models can keep between each other. 1'' between model is loose formation for ranked battles tbh.

**EnTyme**

Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.

**Spiky Norman**

EnTyme wrote:
Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.

In AoS, you can, if you really want, put the models in your units in lines to form a square. You can move them as a square block. Some AoS players even use movement trays, and square bases.

I always took comments that 'AoS is a skirmish game', as bitter WHFB/T9A players attempt at an insult, though I never really understood why a skirmish game should somehow be inferior in the first place. :-)

**judgedoug**

str00dles1 wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:

I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.

I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible

Must be talking about Star Wars Armada, cuz Shadow War Armageddon is A+ idea and A+ game.

I'd like a streamlined, updated Mordheim, with AoS mechanics. There's a lot of rose-tinted glasses with Mordheim - lots of warbands were just uncompetetive and unfun to play, many upgrades totally useless, and the experience system was broken.

**Yodhrin**

judgedoug wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:

I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.

I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible

Must be talking about Star Wars Armada, cuz Shadow War Armageddon is A+ idea and A+ game.

I'd like a streamlined, updated Mordheim, with AoS mechanics. There's a lot of rose-tinted glasses with Mordheim - lots of warbands were just uncompetetive and unfun to play, many upgrades totally useless, and the experience system was broken.

Yeah, not letting you off with that without a proper justification, because plenty of us still play Mordheim right now and the idea that any of those things are true(or at least, any more true than they are for any GW game, AoS included) sounds like hot, stinking, out-in-the-sun-uncollected-for-a-month rubbish to me chief. Which warbands? Which upgrades? How were they useless? How was the XP system broken?

**AegisGrimm**

Frankly AoS skirmish sounds great, but I think games like the One Page stuff can scratch the same itch. One-Page even has a skirmish game with forces that coincide not only with Oldhammer models, but now AoS-setting forces, too.

**Chopxsticks**

can you link this one page stuff?

**AegisGrimm**

Sure.

https://onepagerules.com

The early versions were a direct translation of model and weapon names in many places, but in the new versions of the rules (available on the site) are generic to avoid copyright infringements- for example the Eternal Wardens of fantasy are Stormcast Eternals, and their weapons are not AoS names.

The games are meant to be very simple and fast, so don't be surprised at their leanness.

Still look forward to what GW will put out, and how it measures up to Hinterlands, which already gets tons of points for existing out of sheer love of the game.

**frozenwastes**

Eldarain wrote:
Not-not-kenny wrote:
Did they finally get in touch with Bottle?

That's what I'm hoping.

Saw a Bottle post on the grand alliance site:

Bottle wrote:Hey everyone, thanks for the comments about Hinterlands and the new Skirmish game. I'm currently on the down low at the moment because I have a hectic job application IRL - otherwise I would be jumping around the internet shouting how excited I am for this new game.

No one needs to worry about C&D's or anything like that. I have made GW aware of Hinterlands at multiple instances and they have always chosen to let us just have some fun with it (despite the fact that I borrow lots of official art to use in the book).

I imagine this game is going to be very similar to Hinterlands, mainly because I tried to keep Hinterlands as true to the core AoS rules as possible, and I am totally fine if this outright replaces Hinterlands with an official version (which I imagine it will).

The reason being there will always be space for fan-made content in a skirmish campaign setting. For version 3 of Hinterlands I didn't want to focus on the core-rules anymore but instead bring together a wealth of new battleplans, Times of War, unique command traits for sub-factions, and anything else etc etc

I will still be able to do exactly that, but as an add-on for the official version instead of my own core rules.

So, I hope this puts any worries to rest. I didn't work on this new game in any capacity, Hinterlands won't be going anywhere for people who still want to use those rules, but I myself will be fully embracing this new game and seeing what cool things we can make for it!

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Spiky Norman wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.

In AoS, you can, if you really want, put the models in your units in lines to form a square. You can move them as a square block. Some AoS players even use movement trays, and square bases.

I always took comments that 'AoS is a skirmish game', as bitter WHFB/T9A players attempt at an insult, though I never really understood why a skirmish game should somehow be inferior in the first place. :-)

Well, I never said it was inferior, just that I thought I was a skirmish game. No set formations, models moving individually, that sort of thing. Same way 40k is a skirmish game, in its way. Or warmachine.

**H.B.M.C.**

Nu Skydorfs are here!

Dopey:

Super Dopey:

Meh:

Coolest mini in the whole range:

I seriously love that last one. Such a cool model.

**MLaw**

This is awesome..
It reminded me too that I have Forgefathers for Warpath... LOL.. never thought a GW release would get me excited about another company's game.. but these would look fantastic and provide loads of bits for a FF army.

I hope the skirmish thing has a good use for these guys as well because man.. I am loving these dorfs.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Hammer and Anvil guy is pretty awesome, but doesn't hold a candle to Tophat McBalloon Cannons.

Didn't realize those balloons are actually little mini dirigible jetpacks they ride around on. Kind of cool.

Sadly these dwarfs have completely halted progress on my Forge Fathers as I debate about completely repainting them to match.

Just need to figure out a good ship color to match my Kharadrons with my Khador.

**tyrannosaurus**

Please don't mention Mordheim in the same breath as this. Mordheim is an incredible game with some of the best models ever produced, with a wealth of wonderful background based upon the Old World. Anything that comes from AoS isn't any of the above. Like comparing a diamond with a turd.

**Galas**

tyrannosaurus wrote:
Please don't mention Mordheim in the same breath as this. Mordheim is an incredible game with some of the best models ever produced, with a wealth of wonderful background based upon the Old World. Anything that comes from AoS isn't any of the above. Like comparing a diamond with a turd.

I totally agree with the first half of your sentence.
But, can I ask you something... exactly, why you spend so much energy hating something as irrelevant as a game system?
I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way. Just that when I hate something, normally I need to spend mental energy doing so, and generally only makes me more angry and prejudices me. I don't find the reason why someone could spend that mental energy about something as this.

EDIT: Unless you have lose your job for the cancellation of WHFB? Or something like that. I don't count having spent thousands of dollar/Euros/pounds in it, because you have still your rules, your miniatures, and have used them for years, so you have received the service you payed for.

**Bottle**

I'm getting really excited about AoS Skirmish. How far off do we all think it is?

**Chikout**

Bottle wrote:
I'm getting really excited about AoS Skirmish. How far off do we all think it is?

Assuming the June 17th release date for 40k is true, we have four weeks to fill before then. Aos skirmish will surely be one of those releases.

**Carlovonsexron**

Are there any rumours for when the new dark elves are supposed to be released?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I wish the skyriggers had been in a 5 box even if it was more expensive,

I can't quite justify getting them and I really want them and tophat floaty-boss

**highlord tamburlaine**

I was surprised those skyriggers actually have personal jetpack aether vessel thingees , complete with rudders and controls rather than big balloons as we had all thought.

5 to a box would have been a lot more palatable. Hopefully I can sneak away from whatever household duties I've got to get Mr. Tophat today. Just finished his admiral buddy as it is!

**AegisGrimm**

Wow, do those flight stands on the ships look super-weak, though.........

Eagerly seeing as how they approach things with skirmish, though. Would be the only way I get into AoS, due to kids sucking painting time away.