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A local-ish shop was running demos at a wargames show the other weekend, and they looked to be pretty busy. How that translates to actual sales I've no idea. certainly there's been no interest at our club.

Rune-who?

Zero impact here.

What is Runewars? All crickets in my area, my flgs did not sell a single copy, last I saw they had it on clearance and it still did not move.

Completely sold out at my two closest FLGS. :/ had to order from minimarket and some were sold out there too. I guess the first real measure will come when the organized play comes around later this year.

I got my copy at adepticon. About 10 boxes sold here in Central california, but it has already slowed down visibly on the tables at local shops.

I must admit my painting time is going to the new 40K and my love of the models. I've decided to just spray my Rune Wars starter two separate colors -- bone and gold respectively.

I simply have too much on my painting table, as I also play Age of Sigmar (my #1 game) and a host of other systems like the emerging Konflikt '47.

We all agree, even if some locals don't paint their forces at all, we enjoy the game. it is a solid system but currently shadowed by the competition. I'm not sure I can keep up with it financially however. It will depend on the pace and interest of other players how much I invest.

 primalexile wrote:
What is Runewars? All crickets in my area, my flgs did not sell a single copy, last I saw they had it on clearance and it still did not move.

They put Runewars on clearance? The one that's been out less than a month and a half...?

Or are you thinking of the board game?

 pancakeonions wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
What is Runewars? All crickets in my area, my flgs did not sell a single copy, last I saw they had it on clearance and it still did not move.

They put Runewars on clearance? The one that's been out less than a month and a half...?

Or are you thinking of the board game?

Yeah, good question.

I wonder if his store does mail order

I have a feeling primalexile may have been looking at a box of Runebound - or more likely, Battlelore.

Oddly enough, this game has me curious to pull out the Battlelore game I bought a few years back and give it a go. I've had it for a while, but never pushed any of my group to try and play it.

I don't know about take-up, but I do know I can't wait to see what Angel Giraldez makes of the minis. From an 'unachievable ideal' perspective

Good Lord that's beautiful!

Finally got to an FLGS on the south side of Chicago "Greenfire Games" to play Runewars. I ended up playing one of the employees, but before I had left I had met two other runewars players. Seems like there's a small but interested group. Hopefully it'll grow. There's no official Runewars day, but the owners say some folks play it and Armada on Wed and Thursday

After painting the first two sets of Daqan I just picked up two more starter-box Daqan forces! Also bought the infantry upgrade set. I'm building a more than I need with an eye to using them in Kings of War.

 Eilif wrote:
Good Lord that's beautiful!

Finally got to an FLGS on the south side of Chicago "Greenfire Games" to play Runewars. I ended up playing one of the employees, but before I had left I had met two other runewars players. Seems like there's a small but interested group. Hopefully it'll grow. There's no official Runewars day, but the owners say some folks play it and Armada on Wed and Thursday

After painting the first two sets of Daqan I just picked up two more starter-box Daqan forces! Also bought the infantry upgrade set. I'm building a more than I need with an eye to using them in Kings of War.

I have the option of selling my undead or beefing up my humans with another half starter in trade. Do you feel the infantry command expansion alone gives you enough tactical versatility? It's a difficult choice -- I really want those other cards in the basic expansions.
Familiar story I know.

with everything in front of you, how do you feel about not having other expansions?

Now that is what Stormcast Eternals for Age of Sigmar should have been. Beautiful job in painting them.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Good Lord that's beautiful!

Finally got to an FLGS on the south side of Chicago "Greenfire Games" to play Runewars. I ended up playing one of the employees, but before I had left I had met two other runewars players. Seems like there's a small but interested group. Hopefully it'll grow. There's no official Runewars day, but the owners say some folks play it and Armada on Wed and Thursday

After painting the first two sets of Daqan I just picked up two more starter-box Daqan forces! Also bought the infantry upgrade set. I'm building a more than I need with an eye to using them in Kings of War.

I have the option of selling my undead or beefing up my humans with another half starter in trade. Do you feel the infantry command expansion alone gives you enough tactical versatility? It's a difficult choice -- I really want those other cards in the basic expansions.
Familiar story I know.

with everything in front of you, how do you feel about not having other expansions?

I've only played one game with the infantry expansion. I've not painted mine up but the shop owner broke one out for our game. However, as far as I can tell it adds a TON of versatility, though ONLY to infantry units. Each of the 4 charachters has essentially 3 entirely different ways in which he can be used and though not all modes are great, there's plenty of useable variety. Also, you can put more than one in a unit so it's a useful addition even when you only have a few units..

If you only have one starter of Daqan, I'd definitely trade the undead half starter for more Daqan. You will want more of these basic troops to make bigger units and you won't have a chance to get more-for-less again. That said, eventually you may want the cards. I hate that I'm saying this, but I'll probably eventually pick up the basic expansions for the cards, but I might end up selling off the figs. Do I really need more than 8 trays of Cav, 16 trays of infantry and 4 rune golems?...

Pretty much zero amongst my small gaming club, most likely a general lack of interest in the genre rather than the merits or otherwise for Rune Wars, the dials and upgrade cards were mentioned as a barrier to using existing mini's but its mostly the genre

No one has even heard of it as far as I can tell. No interest in rank and file here, it's 100% X-Wing and GW (AoS and 40k), with some people (me included) doing some alternative smaller games like Infinity or Dropfleet.

Yeah, I just can't get into it. The models don't really appeal to me for whatever reason, I guess. I've seen the starter box on sale here but I dunno if anyone bought it.

RuneWars on sale for $70 at CSI:
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/page/2663

Wait until it hits the FFG Christmas sales. It may take a year or two but they really slice the prices when they drop a game.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wait until it hits the FFG Christmas sales. It may take a year or two but they really slice the prices when they drop a game.

Nah, I just think it needs a bit of time to take off, that's it. There's obviously people playing it in a decent volume. The thing is whether or not FFG maintain their compromise beyond the planned releases with those decent numbers. They've left for dead plenty games in the past (the fact that they did twice the with the games of the Runewars' is another thing too):

Lord Kragan wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wait until it hits the FFG Christmas sales. It may take a year or two but they really slice the prices when they drop a game.

Nah, I just think it needs a bit of time to take off, that's it. There's obviously people playing it in a decent volume. The thing is whether or not FFG maintain their compromise beyond the planned releases with those decent numbers. They've left for dead plenty games in the past (the fact that they did twice the with the games of the Runewars' is another thing too):

They are sinking a lot of money into promoting this game, they gave away copies at Adepticon, they gave away copies to youtubers. I think they even set up some promotional deals with youtubers for sponsored content. Still waiting for Twitch painters to start shilling it.
I see them giving it till mid 2018 at the earliest if not 2019.

 Digclaw wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wait until it hits the FFG Christmas sales. It may take a year or two but they really slice the prices when they drop a game.

Nah, I just think it needs a bit of time to take off, that's it. There's obviously people playing it in a decent volume. The thing is whether or not FFG maintain their compromise beyond the planned releases with those decent numbers. They've left for dead plenty games in the past (the fact that they did twice the with the games of the Runewars' is another thing too):

They are sinking a lot of money into promoting this game, they gave away copies at Adepticon, they gave away copies to youtubers. I think they even set up some promotional deals with youtubers for sponsored content. Still waiting for Twitch painters to start shilling it.
I see them giving it till mid 2018 at the earliest if not 2019.

I'm seeing march 2019. 2 years for the player base starting to set in. 5 to start a robust following. Which I think it CAN manage.

Except for the demo game from a friend - nothing in FLGSs

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Digclaw wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wait until it hits the FFG Christmas sales. It may take a year or two but they really slice the prices when they drop a game.

Nah, I just think it needs a bit of time to take off, that's it. There's obviously people playing it in a decent volume. The thing is whether or not FFG maintain their compromise beyond the planned releases with those decent numbers. They've left for dead plenty games in the past (the fact that they did twice the with the games of the Runewars' is another thing too):

They are sinking a lot of money into promoting this game, they gave away copies at Adepticon, they gave away copies to youtubers. I think they even set up some promotional deals with youtubers for sponsored content. Still waiting for Twitch painters to start shilling it.
I see them giving it till mid 2018 at the earliest if not 2019.

I'm seeing march 2019. 2 years for the player base starting to set in. 5 to start a robust following. Which I think it CAN manage.

FFG won't give it 5 years. 2-2.5 then They cut their losses. It is still better than their 7-10 months they usually give things.

In my area, we have two gaming stores - the one that supports GW games, and the other one that practically kicked out GW games and players. I refer to them as the FLGS and the "other store".

At our FLGS, they got in a few starter sets and some other kits to expand armies, but I have no clue as to how they are selling or what. I don't make it out near as much as I used to, but I don't see it outselling anything anytime soon.

I don't frequent the other store anymore after being criticized for making a purchase from them by one of their employees as I was checking out. I have no clue how that store is doing at all anymore.

In our area, all of our Warhammer Fantasy players tried out Kings of War and 9th Age, and stayed with Fantasy. A bunch of them played Dark Age for a little bit, but all that did was encourage our FLGS to stock a bunch of Dark Age stuff that hasn't sold off yet. So aside from Dark Age (and some mentioning of Drop Zone/Drop Fleet), it is pretty much Fantasy, AoS, 40K, and Blood Bowl are the main wargames getting played in our FLGS. I don't know if Runewars will catch on at any point.

I got the starter set free in my Adepticon Swag Bag. Sold it on eBay a week later for $90.

I was happy with that.

I think FFG missed a trick here. I know that I would have been slightly interested if the minis were pre-painted. I have enough GW stuff to paint without adding a fantasy mass battle game on top.

I think that Runewars Miniatures going to be a big deal. I’ve played 4-5 games.

Pros-

It’s a quick game. A full tournament play is 200 points. A 200 point game between two plays is around 1.5 hours. After you learn how to get deployment and started down, it its about 1 hour to play. That is huge. There is a bigger group of people that are looking for a shorter game play. Newer players are looking for that quicker play experience. I’ll admit as an older gamer, it’s much easier to fit in that 1.5 hour game and not be still trying to get a die roll as they are turning out the lights to go home.

It’s engaging and difficult to master. Just the simple mechanic of the dial deciding Initiative order is a huge deal for the complexity. Add in that you then also have to factor in if your player 1, or player 2 in a turn adds to the games attractiveness.

The models aren’t top notch, but neither are 40K’s, but they are cheaper in the terms of cost. The new 40K box is $136 with the standard discount, and comes with all rules, and 54ish mini’s. The Runewars comes with 48 mini’s all the stuff needed to play, and cost $80. That $50+ is a big deal, but more than that, If you and a buddy purchase a Runewars box, and swap so each has the “other” side you each have around 180 points, for a 200 point game. You are 90% of the way to playing a tournament game. Dark Millennium leaves you maybe 50% of the way to a tourney force to play. Your outlay for playing it far higher.

Further expansions are also cheaper. The Lord Hawthorne expansion gives you a new terrain piece, new mission, new a Figure on horse, a figure on foot, and cost $20. A new Marine captain in 40K is $25 with the standard discount.

An established sane tournament system with a proven play tested results, and substantial rewards. If you win worlds in other games you get to help design a card that is going to affect all future game play. Store Championships move naturally to Regionals, that move to Nationals, that move to Worlds. It is world class.

Cons-
Cardboard Terrain. Why it does lower the cost, it also lowers the look. Nuff said.
FFG upgrade card issue. Right now if you want the Dawnblade your buying the Lord Hawthorne expansion. That hurts some people’s soul.

I absolutely understand that there are going to be the people that are clear that Xwing butt hurt them once so bad they can’t play FFG anymore, but that’s going to be a minority over time. Xwing is the most popular Mini game in the world. Add in Imperial Assault, Armada, Runewars Mini’s at the end of the year I’d expect there market percentage to just continue to grow.

My local FLGS is having trouble selling any of it. Even the people who love the game were telling me to wait and see how 8th Ed 40k drops before spending anything on Runewars.


Frankly, I can't see how a newcomer to a crowded field littered with the corpses of stronger rivals decides to lash themselves to $25 boxes containing two PVC heroes or 8 PVC mooks. Did Asmodee buy stock in Reaper Bones? Why are they trying so hard to sell me on the competition? I'm certainly not going to learn the rules before spending any money, and I refuse to spend premium money for barely par minis just because they come with highly-regarded rules.

Given FFG's abysmal history with miniatures games (X-Wing notwithstanding), and how many times I've been burnt when they drop product lines, I'm waiting a good long time to see if they're actually committed this time.

And I don't think I'm the only one.

I've been to FFG's Event Center many times in the past two months - playing AoS, ironically. I've seen RuneWars played exactly one time by two people, with unpainted models. This is not a meaningful sample size, at all, but this is in FFG's own store.

I don't know what this means, but as a customer I still wish they would have continued pushing out new factions for BattleLore and been happy with that.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local FLGS is having trouble selling any of it. Even the people who love the game were telling me to wait and see how 8th Ed 40k drops before spending anything on Runewars.


Frankly, I can't see how a newcomer to a crowded field littered with the corpses of stronger rivals decides to lash themselves to $25 boxes containing two PVC heroes or 8 PVC mooks. Did Asmodee buy stock in Reaper Bones? Why are they trying so hard to sell me on the competition? I'm certainly not going to learn the rules before spending any money, and I refuse to spend premium money for barely par minis just because they come with highly-regarded rules.

It's the same material they've been using to make models for their board games for years. It's what they know.

Its 100% dead here. Which annoys me because I invested in it and now I have another dead game to sit on my shelf.