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I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

This looks really interesting, but I'll wait to see how it actually performs in testing.

What does everyone else think so far? Is this really a new 8th edition or is this more like 7.75?


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 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

Tough to say. Maybe Orks or Guard because they're the one with the oldest release? Eldar/DEldar should be good with Ynnari, Nidz and GSC should be okay, Tau, Daemons, and SM just got a bunch of new rules and kits, same with Ad Mech.

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

 Kroem wrote:

Though Narrative Play also allows for 'set force' historical re-fights.

Yea that could be very cool, 'historical battles' which you could play again and again.

I can also see a possibilities for more free form, narrative battles.

Say a scenario Tallarn Desert Raiders armoured column punches through Ork lines to capture a set of objectives.

1. I can ignore any force org or points and assemble a convincing representation of an armoured column and Ork defence force appropriate for the scenario.
2. I can have really weird deployment zones to represent the scenario, say the initial Ork defence force can only deploy packed in the two forts that are the objectives, or that Ork relief forces come on behind the Imperials to represent
forces racing back from the front lines.
3. I can have asymmetrical victory conditions. Say I make the Tallarn force much larger than the Orks. The Imperials would win a major victory if they capture both objectives by turn 3 or a minor victory if they do it by turn 5.
The Orks only win if they delay the Imperials sufficiently.
4. I can tie lots of scenarios together, say a minor victory leads to the Imperials digging in or a major victory see them crashing into the Orks rear echelons. I can also put in things like a optional space marine reserve deployed by drop pod. Whether this reserve is used or not could affect the narrative in different ways and effect future campaign scenarios.

Now I know I can do all this now, but I think having the narrative way of playing official endorsed and enshrined in the BRB will encourage people to play and create these scenarios far more frequently.

Pretty much every AoS book - from campaign books, to the General's Handbook, to army-specific Codices - comes with Narrative Battleplans to represent historical battles or a thematic fight that fits the army in question. The new Kharadron Overlords book has a cool one where half their army is trapped at a crash zone, and the other half has to break through enemy lines with their airships to rescue them.

I'd love to see similar stuff for 40k armies. A Necron one where you have to defend 3 entrances to a Tomb World? An Eldar one where you have to race to reclaim artifacts? A GSC one where you have to hold out and summon a Hive Fleet? Could be super fun.

While Matched is what everyone is used to, Open is really good for getting new players in (each person just buys a few boxes or a Start Collecting and doesn't worry about about points/lists), and Narrative is great if you have some friends that enjoy the lore or want to do something different.

I just realised I need to buy the 7th ed Eldar codex so I can play 30k with them.


Anyone want to donate their codex?

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

The only factions I think won't survive are the Forge World ones. They'll probably fart out new profiles/points for all of their current models, but the army lists themselves will languish until they get around to updating the IA books again, so sometime in the 2020's before you see a new one. Forge World is not known to be particularly nimble.

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just checked the OP, it doesn't seem to have been updated yet.

Is there any more to report here?

Anything I should add in to the first post?

I have gamed GW games since 1989, and had been out of it (gaming part, not modeling) the last few years. I was really crushed when Warhammer Fantasy turned into AoS. I had a wonderful Kislev themed army and didn't care for the new AoS game fluff. I briefly thought about getting into AoS with these Kharadron minis, but snapped out of it.

I was really excited about the Custodes, Cypher and the Fallen, and nearly bought some stuff. This announcement came in a nick of time. I for one will wait to see what this new (game) system will look like. I quit xbox for nearly the same reasons that Gw are doing now. New consoles every other year or so, playing a game for years only to have a sequel have you start all over again with new play style, just a money trap.

I will say my distant third game choice that was in the back of my mind, Team Yankee, is now my top choice. Has anyone else found themselves in that scenario?

I am surprised that GW & FW are selling off (invalidated per GW) codexes at regular prices. That's kinda rude, IMHO. However, free basic rules is a nice touch. In the past we have seen model points go down in order for GW to sell even more miniatures. There have been several articles from GW that have always said they wanted 40k games to have massive armies and engines in them like epic. I'd bet the new 40k games will have model counts up to the 100s now like in AoS and not around 50 models like now. Probably become more "spirit warfare" maybe have a spirit phase in nature too with fantastical astral projection swirly models of the ghostly realm and that kind of thing.......the negative imaged space map kinda hints at that whole universe reality is flipped vibe.......Bet we see true scale happen, so people need to redo armies...

Oh well, change is the rule of life. nothing stays the same forever, everything will change, so accept this and enjoy the journey.

I like their video, looked like new game of thrones season video....

Oh here's another thing I'd like to see.. a few discounted bundle themed 2-player starter sets, like what you'd get from 2 different start collecting sets.. and each one has a printed copy of the rules and nice stat cards for each unit.

#NiceStatCards

Intresting that the Imperial agents picture is the Drill Abbot from the Dark Heresy RP books.

Looking to the fyootcha.....

If GW ditch USR in favour of 'it's on your warscroll/dataslate/unit thingy, people will have to get used to two previously identical rules not being the same.

Good example in AoS are shields. Some shields grant a standard Save Modifier. Other shields might allow you to ignore Rend (armour save modifiers) below a certain threshold.

That's intentional, that's normal for AoS.

And again, assuming that's how it all goes (though I'd be surprised if it doesn't) you can also brace for periodic scroll updates. Increase in damage here, rewording of a rule there - typically following player feedback.

Get ready for a more dynamic rules set in that regard.

Dr._Jim_J_Jimmy wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just because it's there this week/month, doesn't mean it'll be there 6/12mth's from now.

krazynadechukr wrote:

I am flabbergasted that GW & FW are selling off (useless) codexes at regular prices. That's kinda rude, IMHO. However, free basic rules is a nice touch.

Really? You think it's "flabbergasting" that GW & FW are doing that?

You do know very few companies actually discount product because of some perceived "invalidation", yeah? Campaign: Paradiso for Infinity--a book that is effectively worthless at this point, beyond the lore, is still full priced.
Right up until Infinity 3rd edition dropped, the main rulebook was full priced.
Same with the Human Sphere expansion book.


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 loki old fart wrote:

Dr._Jim_J_Jimmy wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just because it's there this week/month, doesn't mean it'll be there 6/12mth's from now.

Bretonnians and Tomb Kings both still have their rules in the app. I think they got points in the General's Handbook as well.

Only thing that happened is the models got discontinued.

 loki old fart wrote:

Dr._Jim_J_Jimmy wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just because it's there this week/month, doesn't mean it'll be there 6/12mth's from now.

You could say that about any other edition of the game. You just sound paranoid.

I'm sure the first army to be removed will be the one that you enjoy the most so you can give us all your favorite chicken little impression.

 Kanluwen wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:

I am flabbergasted that GW & FW are selling off (useless) codexes at regular prices. That's kinda rude, IMHO. However, free basic rules is a nice touch.

Really? You think it's "flabbergasting" that GW & FW are doing that?

You do know very few companies actually discount product because of some perceived "invalidation", yeah? Campaign: Paradiso for Infinity--a book that is effectively worthless at this point, beyond the lore, is still full priced.
Right up until Infinity 3rd edition dropped, the main rulebook was full priced.
Same with the Human Sphere expansion book.


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 loki old fart wrote:

Dr._Jim_J_Jimmy wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just because it's there this week/month, doesn't mean it'll be there 6/12mth's from now.

Bretonnians and Tomb Kings both still have their rules in the app. I think they got points in the General's Handbook as well.

Only thing that happened is the models got discontinued.

Which effectively longterm is the kiss of death. No new models means no new rules needed, means no new players of that faction.

Requizen wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

Dr._Jim_J_Jimmy wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I know we've been promised rules for all the factions.
But any guesses on who'll be the first to get the brettonian treatment.

I know, no one! Maybe because all the current factions are advertised on the new warhammer40000 page?

That means nothing

And why is that?

Just because it's there this week/month, doesn't mean it'll be there 6/12mth's from now.

You could say that about any other edition of the game. You just sound paranoid.

I'm sure the first army to be removed will be the one that you enjoy the most so you can give us all your favorite chicken little impression.

No army will be removed when they release the new rules at launch, however AoS shows that 90% of them will be left to rot for the foreseeable future. I would fully expect them to keep all factions until 2nd err I mean 9th edition when they will be hidden under the stairsbehind a standee of AoS.

I read somewhere that GW has set up Death Panels to determine if a faction was well enough to continue on in the game...

Requizen wrote:
You could say that about any other edition of the game. You just sound paranoid.

Well Bretonnia and Tomb Kings were the first faction GW killed since, ummm, Squats I guess?

So for all the wonderful things about the new look GW, killing a faction isn't below them.

That said, I doubt any faction will get killed, most of the main factions probably have enough popularity to carry on. Bretonnians didn't get a new book for, what was it, 10 of 11 years (?) before they finally just killed them, no 40k faction has been that neglected, not even SoB's.

Renegade Knights seem to no longer be a faction

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I read somewhere that GW has set up Death Panels to determine if a faction was well enough to continue on in the game...

I hope not. I should be ok for thousand sons and orks though. I just don't want to lose any factional depth.

Chad Warden wrote:
Renegade Knights seem to no longer be a faction

To be fair...

We don't seem to be getting a preview of what's to come. Who knows if we are going to see a "Forges of the Damned" faction or an Iron Warriors faction where Renegade Knights are a part--or if Renegade Knights was just a quick stopgap last year?

About 3 hours until the live Q&A, right? Perhaps they'll tease us with more stuff.

Pizza Handbook confirmed.
Three ways to enjoy pizza:
1. With pineapple.
2. Without pineapple.
3. While playing the new edition of Warhammer 40,000.

Also, it looks like the new edition almost certainly will not blend.

Daedalus81 wrote:
About 3 hours until the live Q&A, right? Perhaps they'll tease us with more stuff.

Isn't it 17:15 BST, so about ~45 minutes?

Yeah 17:15 BST is in about 40mins from this post

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
About 3 hours until the live Q&A, right? Perhaps they'll tease us with more stuff.

Isn't it 17:15 BST, so about ~45 minutes?

Yes. 17:15 BST is 12:15 EDT, so about 35 minutes.

 Hragged wrote:
So free rules, updated yearly, with community input - nice!

Potentially. But look what has become of Army Builders and quoting Formations and Point Costs for AoS since the "free" rules appeared?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
About 3 hours until the live Q&A, right? Perhaps they'll tease us with more stuff.

Isn't it 17:15 BST, so about ~45 minutes?

Yes. 17:15 BST is 12:15 EDT, so about 35 minutes.

29 actually