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Well, I am excited. This is sounding great.

Someone did ask if Pyrovores would be any good haha

EXTRAPOLATE! EXTRAPOLATE!

Customer Service Offer more or less confirms it'll be out within 8 weeks, yes?

Wow. Highlights for me are:

1). Most balanced ruleset ever.
2). Updated units and codexs on launch day.
3). No vehicle armor values.
4). Multiple types of detachments.
5). Keyword system and the death of deathstars.

No. Once its released you have 8 weeks to claim the voucher refund.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
EXTRAPOLATE! EXTRAPOLATE!

Customer Service Offer more or less confirms it'll be out within 8 weeks, yes?

Sounds reasonable to assume. Probably sooner than 8 weeks, honestly.

No, its 8 weeks from the teaser's release

It's 8 weeks prior to the announcement on Saturday. The clock is ticking essentially rather than being a countdown.

Pretty sure it's 8 weeks BEFORE the announcement. I.e. You can't buy a codex tomorrow and get it for free, but if you bought it last week you'll get your money back.

 davou wrote:

 DynamicCalories wrote:
8 weeks refund window for Rule Books or Codexes from the announcement date.

that means at least 8 weeks before its announced now.

Yep, bad wording on my behalf apologies.

I have to say as someone who stopped playing 40k around the time Metal Grey Knights were being released everything sounds very positive to me.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
No, its 8 weeks from the teaser's release

If you purchased in between release and 8 weeks before the anouncement trailer you can get a refund.

That's not what I took from it?

Huh the first schism of 8th edition. That's sooner then I expected.

Looking good, been saying for ages I would have no issues if they AoS the 40K ruleset.. so good times.. will keep on basing my tanks.

I missed much of the video. Did they say if it would affect 30k ?

Most of this sounds like good stuff.

Not sure I'm terribly thrilled about bolters hurting heavy battle tanks, but thats more of a game design preference, if it's handled properly I can see it working from a balance perspective.

For the first time in a very loooooooong time I'm actually rather excited about the potential of a new 40k release. Lots of engagement, focus on quality of rules, etc.

I'm a little sad however because this is literally all stuff they had the ability to do just as easily a decade ago...

So excited. Keywords, rebalanced armies, playtesting... Sounds awesome!

print screen of force org shown

Im now waiting for the

something else you didn’t know from the far future.

. Warhammer community just posted the Digital Monday stuff, so probably a few seconds till we find out.

 Vaktathi wrote:


I'm a little sad however because this is literally all stuff they had the ability to do just as easily a decade ago...

Absolutely. The comment that this was the "most playtested version of the rules... by a mile." was awesome, but also really jaw dropping because it really does confirm everyone's suspicions that for years and years they did little playtesting of the game.

 Latro_ wrote:
print screen of force org shown

The second looks like the current FOC, and the top one is the allied detachment, i think

Not sure I'm terribly thrilled about bolters hurting heavy battle tanks, but thats more of a game design preference, if it's handled properly I can see it working from a balance perspective.

I think its a direct move towards the AoS monster system, where as the monster is damaged it loses movement/number of attacks etc.

So a bolter wounds a land raider and reduces its movement by say an inch.
A scat laser shoots it and its loses 3 inches.
A lascannon shoots it and it loses 6 inches etc etc.

Movement could of course just as easily be how many shots it can fire etc.

 Ratius wrote:

Not sure I'm terribly thrilled about bolters hurting heavy battle tanks, but thats more of a game design preference, if it's handled properly I can see it working from a balance perspective.

I think its a direct move towards the AoS monster system, where as the monster is damaged it loses movement/number of attacks etc.

So a bolter wounds a land raider and reduces its movement by say an inch.
A scat laser shoots it and its loses 3 inches.
A lascannon shoots it and it loses 6 inches etc etc.

Movement could of course just as easily be how many shots it can fire etc.

Im also guessing LR and such will have metric tonnes of wounds.

Oh jesus Forgeworld...

Just got this email

Forgeworld wrote:Last Chance to Buy

The rules in our existing Imperial Armour books will not be compatible with the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. More than just rule books, each is full of background on the armies and their glorious and devastating battles, so complete your collection before they go!

I suspect they just changed all the '-' in the To Wound chart to "6". So yes, a bolter might be able to plink wounds off a land raider.. but you won't be able to easily chew through 14 wounds or whatever without heavy weapons.

Yes they stated IKs and Lord of Skulls etc will have lots and lots of them.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Most of this sounds like good stuff.

Not sure I'm terribly thrilled about bolters hurting heavy battle tanks, but thats more of a game design preference, if it's handled properly I can see it working from a balance perspective.

I know it's against "the lore" of the stuff, but there's often very little exciting about a unit in a game that is immortal to 80% of the force on the board. Even in a 1250 point game, I managed to tarpit a Mawkrusha with a unit of Chaos Warriors for a turn which gave me a chance to charge my Plaguedrones into it. I still didn't kill it, but I took about 10 wounds off it, and it was more exciting than it just trampling my warriors. Maybe with some better rolls I'd have even felled it? Surely impossible in the lore, but it feels like you have a chance for your Eowyn to kill a Wraith King.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I suspect they just changed all the '-' in the To Wound chart to "6". So yes, a bolter might be able to plink wounds off a land raider.. but you won't be able to easily chew through 14 wounds or whatever without heavy weapons.

Won't be a wound chart.

It will be like AoS weapons. A land raider might be something like a 2+ save and 20 wounds. A bolter might have -1 to saves, 3+ to hit, and 4+ to wound, which would take close to 200 shots to achieve.

You could expect the Lord of Skulls to be something like 40 to 50 wounds or more if it maintains it's current power level.

 Ratius wrote:

Not sure I'm terribly thrilled about bolters hurting heavy battle tanks, but thats more of a game design preference, if it's handled properly I can see it working from a balance perspective.

I think its a direct move towards the AoS monster system, where as the monster is damaged it loses movement/number of attacks etc.

So a bolter wounds a land raider and reduces its movement by say an inch.
A scat laser shoots it and its loses 3 inches.
A lascannon shoots it and it loses 6 inches etc etc.

Movement could of course just as easily be how many shots it can fire etc.

in AOS, and presumably 8th ( ) It's not the weapon, it's effected as you loose wounds. I.E. when the land raider goes from 14 wounds to 10 wounds, it looses 1" of movement.

Sorry, I'm not willing to jump in hook line and sinker yet, yeah GW might be saying the right things, but that doesn't mean they are actually changing their tune.

If you have Proof of purchase of buying a rulebook/codex in the last 8 weeks from the announcement, you will get a virtual voucher!- Let me ask seriously- how many folks do you think have their receipt from a codex purchased 7 weeks ago? Or even six weeks ago. Honestly if I purchased something a week ago, I wouldn't have the receipt. GW knows this, they know that saying this is going to get them in great favor with their audience but ultimately they won't have to refund much at all.

Most balanced rules set.- Well what do you think they are going to say, after all they are trying to sell a product.

Extensive Play testing- this is kind of a kick in the groin. So if they advertise extensive play testing, what does that mean for all the products we have purchased from them over the past few years- non extensive play testing? So now all of a sudden they are play testing their products where before they weren't?

Hey I have been playing GW games for close to 30 years, I'm not selling off my models anytime soon, however, I am taking everything they say with a grain of salt until I see actions, not words.