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Smellingsalts wrote:
If you believe 40K should be different from Fantasy, fair enough. They are two different styles of game. But they haven't always been that way. I remember early versions being almost exactly the same, and if I remember correctly, one of the fantast siege books even suggested a scenario with Fantasy vs. 40K.

I've nothing against both games having similarities when it comes to generic things like a shooting phase or a movement.

e.g in AOS there is an opportunity to shoot bow and arrow and in 40k, you'll be blasting lasguns at landraiders or whatever

But I feel that both games need to maintain the uniqueness of their respective systems, as that's what sets them apart.

If I want AOS, I'll play AOs. If I want 40K, I'll play 40k etc etc

I just hope they don't blur that line of distinction between the two, but I've no problem with having orcs and orks.

terry wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 Galas wrote:


So... Tau Psykers confirmed?

Kroot shamans...?

if kroot don't become there own subfaction

I think they're going to cut down the subfaction nonsense for at least in the beginning, so probably not. They should wait at least couple of years before they bloat the heck out of it.

People are also being too literal with "Every faction" -thing. But as said, Tau auxiliaries (Kroot, Nicassar, Gue'Vesa etc) certainly do have Psykers so it wouldn't be strange.
In current Tau Codex, Tau ally races are horribly underutilized anyway.

 Galas wrote:
40k was Fantasy in space... I remember my Chaos Lord in Fantasy killing Empire lords with a Plasma Pistol.

Do_I_Not_Like_That, I have seen that you are a lore freak like me, and I'll give you an advice that I apply to myself after seeing how Blizzard killed the Lore of Warcraft, a universe I loved:

Enjoy the bits of lore that you like, and ignore the ones you not like. They will crap all about their own lore for whatever reasons they feel worth it, so don't create anguish for yourself when the own owners of the Lore don't care about it.

Oooooh, so close and yet so far.

Requizen wrote:
The edition previous to this one (5e codex, 5th/6th edition). I liked that quite a bit as well, but honestly I like the idea of them having a similar power table they have now but with the ability to pick from it instead of getting random powers.

Ah yes, it was 5th ed.

What if they had one or two generic powers listed on their data slate, and then a table of six additional powers listed in the codex that they can pick one more from. Like prayers from AoS? And as these are not pyshic powers they can't be unbound and don't suffer from perils either.

Breng77 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Hi warhammer tv. I know it's too late now but this system is essentially the same as the old system, but with a set value you roll above rather than beneath. That system was changed to the current warp charge system, which was bad to say the least (incidentally that was also from a prior fantasy system that didn't work properly). To my point, you will come across a lot of issues as you carry this new system on, I urge your designers to look at the prior systems and see why they didn't work, the best "magic" phase that has been made so far was the 8th fantasy one, This "new" system will work mechanically but it will have the same problems the ones from 3rd, 4th and 5th had.

Hey Tony - that's good feedback and we shall indeed pass it on

At least i got a reply

I'm not seeing how it is at all the same as the old system. Old system all powers needed you to roll below the same number (your leadership), new system all powers require you to roll above a given number. So Stronger powers could have very low probability to cast, and weaker powers could be very easy/reliable to cast. For example in old 40k an LD 10 psyker cast every power ~92% of the time. In the new system Smite the power we know goes off on a 5+ which means it casts 83% of the time. A stronger power might cast on a 10+ which means it would cast only 16% of the time. So in the old editions 3-6 you ended up with a lot of basically meaningless rolls (formalities that rarely failed), now some the rolls are much less reliable and thus have more meaning. It also means you might take say pyromancy powers that cast on a 5+ instead of invisibility that casts on an 11.

And you can try to dispel all of the spells, not just the ones targeting you, which is the big thing.

So far, so good. 8th seems to be bringing the community, players, and new ones into its grimdark embrace...

I have hope, that 8th will be great. Just don't feth it up GeeDubs!

I am hyped for this new edition. They can't release it soon enough.

 whembly wrote:

Breng77 wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Every faction will have its own psychic lore with a range of thematic powers.

So... Tau Psykers confirmed?

hah - yes and what about Necrons too?

Tau will probably get Nicassar (those are the psychic bears, right?), and Necrons probably won't get psykers per se, but they will most likely get stuff that craps on psykers, like they usually do.
At least, I hope that's how it is with necrons, and they aren't given access to the warp. That's kind of a big deal with them thematically, how they are purely of the material realm.

Maybe the C'Tan will have TOTALLY NOT PSYCHIC POWERS, JUST ADVANCED REALITY MANIPULATION...that work exactly like psychic powers.

maybe they will work like psychic powers but with no perils because they aren't using the warp.

Just don't call it "perils of the warp"... just call it "perils of reality"!

Perils of Reality - The model who suffers from this remembers he has taxes to do and kids to feed. Immediately remove from play.

ERJAK wrote:

 Galas wrote:
40k was Fantasy in space... I remember my Chaos Lord in Fantasy killing Empire lords with a Plasma Pistol.

Do_I_Not_Like_That, I have seen that you are a lore freak like me, and I'll give you an advice that I apply to myself after seeing how Blizzard killed the Lore of Warcraft, a universe I loved:

Enjoy the bits of lore that you like, and ignore the ones you not like. They will crap all about their own lore for whatever reasons they feel worth it, so don't create anguish for yourself when the own owners of the Lore don't care about it.

Oooooh, so close and yet so far.

At first I was a little angry about all of this changes to 40k lore and even from the Death of the old World. But after that, I just realize that I was making me angry for no reason. So now I enjoy the lore of the Old World whenever I roleplay or play fantasy, I enjoy the new AoS lore when I read it, and I enjoy both pre-Guilliman 40k state of the universe and probably I'll enjoy different things of the new lore they will do.

So, If you interpret my advice to Do_I_Not_Like_That as hating AoS, 8th edition, etc... nothing more far from my intention!

A game is a game and the lore is the lore, many things will change with time. We should all embrace Tzeentch teachings. The Nurgle way is one of anguish and resentment.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I am hyped for this new edition. They can't release it soon enough.

100% Agree. I haven't been this excited for an edition release since.. well ever. I think they have totally turned this ship around. The releases, the community engagement, the support of the local tourneys and all the teasers has been awesome.

And this is coming from someone who sort of stopped supporting the hobby for a bit simply because I didn't like the direction it was heading. I am back on 100% now. Dusting off my 40k armies as we speak!

Somebody needs to ask if characters can join units (can't in AoS, right?) and if you can roll all of your saves, not just the best one)

I feel like I'm discovering geedubs all over again. I love the direction it's been going in and what they've been doing of late too.

The company is going in a good direction, but I doubt I could be less hyped for the game.

It's a new golden age of GW for sure.

Super excited to get playing this too, already started building a new army

Backfire wrote:

terry wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 Galas wrote:


So... Tau Psykers confirmed?

Kroot shamans...?

if kroot don't become there own subfaction

I think they're going to cut down the subfaction nonsense for at least in the beginning, so probably not. They should wait at least couple of years before they bloat the heck out of it.

People are also being too literal with "Every faction" -thing. But as said, Tau auxiliaries (Kroot, Nicassar, Gue'Vesa etc) certainly do have Psykers so it wouldn't be strange.
In current Tau Codex, Tau ally races are horribly underutilized anyway.

I wouldn't bet too heavily on there being a "cut down" on the subfaction stuff, at least in the way you're thinking.

I could see some factions not having many subfactions, but some might get quite a bit.
For example, I could see Orks getting keywords for specific Clans and the like.

 Hragged wrote:
From GW in the Facebook comments:

Every faction gets a psychic phase. But only those with psykers can use it. NOTE: definitely not Necrons, Dark Eldar or Tau...

Edit: they confirm the Psychic phase comes after the Movement phase too.

That seems to imply no Hero phase equivalent; otherwise they would have wrapped them up together.

I wonder if that means Command Abilities are also not a thing. Maybe Command Points are meant to replace them?

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe the 8E version of "Eternal Warrior" will allow the model to make saves vs. "Mortal Wounds"?

Ping, give that man a cigar. that is what I think also! I'll take one too.

Hmm, so, it really is a question of can Characters join units? If they cannot, they will be easy to kill if you have lascannons or your own psychers.

Youn wrote:
Hmm, so, it really is a question of can Characters join units? If they cannot, they will be easy to kill if you have lascannons or your own psychers.

Maybe the new rules will prevent individual characters being targeted if there are other threats nearby or perhaps the are other rules preventing it

Given some of the outside GW fellas that have play tested the rules, I'm sure such an issue came up and hopefully was addressed. Will have to wait and see

I don't like the mortal wounds ignoring invulnerable save.
Also why don't the flamethrower make mortal wound? Do the melta make mortal wounds?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't like the mortal wounds ignoring invulnerable save.
Also why don't the flamethrower make mortal wound? Do the melta make mortal wounds?

Why would a bog standard flamer cause Mortal Wounds?

The new psychic phase is almost a carbon copy of useing spells in the AoS command phase. Right down to Smite being the analogue to magic- I mean Arcane missile. Just missing the 40k version of magic shield.

TBH, I think this is a improvement over the current psychic phase.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't like the mortal wounds ignoring invulnerable save.
Also why don't the flamethrower make mortal wound? Do the melta make mortal wounds?

Mortal Wounds generally represent attacks that are very powerful and/or other worldly in AoS. In 40k, I get a feeling they are more or less the replacement for the strength D rule. I could also see it replacing the Instadeath mechanic in that doubling out someone's toughness might cause the inflicted wounds to become mortal. This wound mean well a +2sv monster/tank would get a +5Sv from a Lascannon hit, it would paste a Terminator with no saves. Would make the weapons scale better ageist their targets.

Their realy wouldn't be any reason for the rule to effect flame throwers in the end, when all flame thrower hits already auto-hits.

Well, it makes porting over the Demon warscrolls easy.

Poster on FB: I play Necrons and Tau and i always felt left out of the Pys phase. Like my hands are tied and my opponent is just having thier way. Sucks to not play part of the game.
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Warhammer 40,000 That's what every other race feels when Necrons and Tau have their shooting phase...
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BUUUUURN!

 Lockark wrote:
The new psychic phase is almost a carbon copy of useing spells in the AoS command phase. Right down to Smite being the analogue to magic- I mean Arcane missile. Just missing the 40k version of magic shield.

TBH, I think this is a improvement over the current psychic phase.

Yeah, it appears to much simpler. Its actually closer to how pre-6th ed handled psychic powers, in that its a 2d6 roll to cast, except its not based on ld but on a specified requirement for the power.

 Imateria wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't like the mortal wounds ignoring invulnerable save.
Also why don't the flamethrower make mortal wound? Do the melta make mortal wounds?

Why would a bog standard flamer cause Mortal Wounds?

Wishful thinking because he plays Sisters...

 JimOnMars wrote:

Poster on FB: I play Necrons and Tau and i always felt left out of the Pys phase. Like my hands are tied and my opponent is just having thier way. Sucks to not play part of the game.
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Warhammer 40,000 That's what every other race feels when Necrons and Tau have their shooting phase...
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BUUUUURN!

Jerry! Jerry! JERRY!


Seriously though, I do hope Tau gets some sort of defense at least. I know necrons will, because that's traditionally their deal, but Tau tend to have no answer to psy, right?

Any info on when the Q&A starts?

If characters cannot join units Tau have their defense in the shooting phase.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

Poster on FB: I play Necrons and Tau and i always felt left out of the Pys phase. Like my hands are tied and my opponent is just having thier way. Sucks to not play part of the game.
Like · Reply · 2 · 2 hrs

Warhammer 40,000 That's what every other race feels when Necrons and Tau have their shooting phase...
Like · Reply · 15 · 1 hr

BUUUUURN!

Jerry! Jerry! JERRY!


Seriously though, I do hope Tau gets some sort of defense at least. I know necrons will, because that's traditionally their deal, but Tau tend to have no answer to psy, right?

Yes, their answer is...TO DIE!!!

I like just about everything revealed so far, looking forward to that all important release date info now!