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 Melissia wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
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My comment was clearly working off of how people prior to this thread described the potential miniature in question (assuming this even is it), and if you had any intent of good faith conversation it would have been obvious that was the intent.

But there was a period of time of only days, perhaps even hours, (EDIT Thurs 9th - Sat 11th March specifically) between Hastings' rumours breaking and the original leaked pic. So basically your point was they differed from the mental impression you'd developed based on text only descriptions in a tiny period of time which you subsequently obviously hadn't revised because you were skeptical that an actual image was genuine.

It's a total non-argument and there's no conversation to be had, in good or bad faith, because there's nothing to be said beyond you got it wrong.

Ben2 wrote:


The marine in the painting guide is literally the marine that was leaked with a helmet instead of a bare head.

Ho hum.

We'll get another set of rumours about the starter set on 22nd May, which is when the store managers have a big meeting at Nottingham which I believe will be to lovingly pet the new starter set. Anyone got anymore detail about it being numarines vs plague marines?

Is it just me or is the unpainted grey marine in the book next to the "nu marine" look like standard marine proportions? It looks like it should be the same fig. I think a photoshopper is playing with us again.

If you're talking about the ones in the book, those are standard marines. It seems in this pic only the three painted marines and the blue basecoated one are nu-marines.

I just can't see them re-releasing the entire Marine range. Again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just can't see them re-releasing the entire Marine range. Again.

I can't either, but I'd like them to.

Once the nu marines come out I don't see me buying any regular Space Marines again (granted I've only bought a handful in the past 5 years, but the desire has been there whereas it won't once nu marines hit the market).

 Azreal13 wrote:
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The "original pic" was poor quality and was of questionable nature. There's been numerous examples of false rumors over the years. So I dismissed it. It still doesn't seem like it matches the scale of miniatures in the colored image here, for that matter.

I'm not interested in this crap you're trying to start.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
What's that? Is that the sound of many hats being eaten?


"His greaves are Procreate! I can tell because I've Procreated in my time!"

womp womp

"It's a conversion! I can identify all the components... well, some... well, a few BUT IT ISN'T REAL."

womp womp

"I could make that boltgun with Skitarii bits"

womp womp


(Looks like they've realised and switched out the hero banner now btw)

I do have an urge to go to that old thread and find quotes from all the people who were so certain it was a conversion just to laugh at them now

I always said it looked like a conversion but the complete inability to ID any of the parts stopped me from discarding it as a simple conversion, and no one skilled enough at sculpting to scratch build those parts would use those sculpting skills to make such a boring looking model.

But it was just a conversion. And it looks nothing like these "new marines", which may also be conversions. Even in those pics there's nothing on the printed box or the book to indicate these are official models. Plus didn't someone come out and basically say "this is my conversion model"?

Edit: Ok, I take it back... they do look like the unpainted "nu-marine" from before. Not convinced they're real, though

They recently released tongs of new marine kits that im sure they want to make money off with the molds
My bet is some special unit.

It will most likely be a new unit. Over time when kits get updated, GW will phase in the newest sized designs.

Models have been getting larger over the past 25 + years. Look at every edition when modelse were updated, their size were generally increased.

So basically everybody aggressively insisting that these were conversions and that "they could tell from the pixels" just got blown the heck out?



These look great. I hope the Death Guard are a decent size.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They recently released tongs of new marine kits that im sure they want to make money off with the molds
My bet is some special unit.

Perhaps. They do have relatively little bling for a 40k special unit though.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They recently released tongs of new marine kits that im sure they want to make money off with the molds
My bet is some special unit.

Perhaps. They do have relatively little bling for a 40k special unit though.

On the other hand the right amount for figures from a starter set....

Zachectomy wrote:
And it looks nothing like these "new marines", which may also be conversions. Even in those pics there's nothing on the printed box or the book to indicate these are official models. Plus didn't someone come out and basically say "this is my conversion model"?

Edit: Ok, I take it back... they do look like the unpainted "nu-marine" from before. Not convinced they're real, though

Dude... they're in a painting guide. GW isn't about to release a painting guide containing a scratch-built/heavily converted Marine as a major example.

The unpainted one is even in blue plastic, the kinda stuff they'd do with a starter (blue for Marines, green for Nurgle).

They are going to be called Mark X according to Sad Panda

Also nobody got the stealth pun. They said we were going to get a BIG announcement tomorrow and we got BIGGER marines. Nu GW is the best lol.

We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

Vorian wrote:
We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

That'll be a pass me from me then. Ultra super marines seems like a daft idea.

@Azreal13

I didn't get a chance to acknowledge your affirmation of my reliability on this topic before that thread got locked. Cheers for that.

Vorian wrote:
We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

I am actually ok with this (or rather it's the lesser of two evils, and one I can live with). If they are "special" Marines, then this is fine. I don't like the idea of them just replacing the existing Marines wholesale.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Zachectomy wrote:
And it looks nothing like these "new marines", which may also be conversions. Even in those pics there's nothing on the printed box or the book to indicate these are official models. Plus didn't someone come out and basically say "this is my conversion model"?

Edit: Ok, I take it back... they do look like the unpainted "nu-marine" from before. Not convinced they're real, though

Dude... they're in a painting guide. GW isn't about to release a painting guide containing a scratch-built/heavily converted Marine as a major example.

The unpainted one is even in blue plastic, the kinda stuff they'd do with a starter (blue for Marines, green for Nurgle).

I mean... Blue plastic, or sprayed blue? I doubt they're going to cast a load of blue plastic bases. Not saying they're conversions, they're clearly not.

 Melissia wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
[snip]

The "original pic" was poor quality and was of questionable nature. There's been numerous examples of false rumors over the years. So I dismissed it. It still doesn't seem like it matches the scale of miniatures in the colored image here, for that matter.

I'm not interested in this crap you're trying to start.

The ones in the coloured image here are current marines, it's the ones on the table that are the new ones.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

I am actually ok with this (or rather it's the lesser of two evils, and one I can live with). If they are "special" Marines, then this is fine. I don't like the idea of them just replacing the existing Marines wholesale.

Oh they're still going to, like everything else with 8th I'm betting this is Boiling Frog Strategy - they're Spehsul Mahrinz for now, and then next year there will be a [fabulous]PLOOOOT TWIIIIST[/fabulous] about geneseed something something corruption something something oh noes regular Sphess Mahrinz are dying out! But don't worry, Mr Customer, we're not going to take away your existing army or anything, they'll still kinda exist in the fluff and their rules will remain kinda valid, and we won't totally discontinue the plastic kits for ages and ages(nb: however long it is until the next set of NuMarines releases), we're just never ever going to make new stuff for them.

The end result of all this is still Age of Guilliman and all NuMarines, all the time, but they'll do it gradually over, say, five years rather than blowing everything up, waiting six months, then dumping Hippyhammer on us with a whole new setting.

It would be interesting/cool if the only change is the legs, and they just include new legs with all box sets now.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Vorian wrote:
We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

That'll be a pass me from me then. Ultra super marines seems like a daft idea.

*shrug* Don't see what the big deal would be. RG has found out how to make something between a marine and custodes. Not really that earth shattering

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.

It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!

I am actually ok with this (or rather it's the lesser of two evils, and one I can live with). If they are "special" Marines, then this is fine. I don't like the idea of them just replacing the existing Marines wholesale.

Oh they're still going to, like everything else with 8th I'm betting this is Boiling Frog Strategy - they're Spehsul Mahrinz for now, and then next year there will be a [fabulous]PLOOOOT TWIIIIST[/fabulous] about geneseed something something corruption something something oh noes regular Sphess Mahrinz are dying out! But don't worry, Mr Customer, we're not going to take away your existing army or anything, they'll still kinda exist in the fluff and their rules will remain kinda valid, and we won't totally discontinue the plastic kits for ages and ages(nb: however long it is until the next set of NuMarines releases), we're just never ever going to make new stuff for them.

The end result of all this is still Age of Guilliman and all NuMarines, all the time, but they'll do it gradually over, say, five years rather than blowing everything up, waiting six months, then dumping Hippyhammer on us with a whole new setting.

If there is an absence of something to complain about, make up a scenario and complain about that. Good work.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
It would be interesting/cool if the only change is the legs, and they just include new legs with all box sets now.

Shame they have different torsos, arms and backpacks then...

It's certainly an...interesting solution to the problem of stumpy SM minis. Not the one I would've gone for, but I also woulsn't have brought back a loyalist Primarch.

But I will happily admit that I was WRONG to doubt the leaked pics. Maybe I'm wrong about people wanting nuer betterer nuMarines that your old stupid Marines are totally jealous of and Roboute totally loving them more.

I really hope they arnt a new unit, and are justa gradual splicing in of the nu normal for Astartes size


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Unless they replace Centurions, in which case thats fine because those models are SO ugly

first of all, does anybody have that guardmen model and compare it to recent marines, it seems to me that it is infact just a normal marine and that is a small guardsmen.

We went over it in the other thread. It's not a normal Marine.