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 Accolade wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

robbienw wrote:
I like the scale and proportions of the current marines. I have always thought that some of the old imperial guard human models were too big and could do with a re-scaling downwards, rather than making marines too big.

I find the so called 'Truescale' converted Marines label to be a misnomer.

This is where I am. I think things like Cadians and Catachans were too tall. If you look at the GSC models, the Neophytes are about the right size when compared to SMs. If marines are upsized, are they going to upsize my Necrons, too? They're also supposed to be 8-ft tall.

Also in agreement with these posts. While upping the size of Space Marines to resolve (some of) the significance divide between models and lore, where does that leave armies like Eldar and Orks? Moving regular humans to being smaller (i.e. like the Forgeworld guardsmen) seems more ideal. Plus while I can see GW re-doing the entire Space Marine range, I don't see that happening for all of the xenos races.

Although, I could see GW doing this for the following reasons: (a) it gives everyone's* favorite army the chance to be entirely re-purchased over a couple of years, functioning as a huge revenue source, and (b) it boosts marines to being more like their AoS Stormcast counterparts, which are far-and-away the biggest individual models in that game.

*may not be a factual statement

Actually, Orks have grown substantially from their first incarnation. I've been actively collecting the various eras of greenskins and even though the standard boy box hasn't changed all that much over the years, they are in some cases 2x the size of RT era orks. The Nobz are also pretty well sized to be honest. Now.. Eldar.. I don't know nuthin about that..

 MLaw wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Really looking forward to starting a Space Marine army with giant giant Space Marines...

I think you're going to be a little disappointed then. They're not that much taller than the Deathwatch plastics and even then it's mostly the legs that are differently scaled.

yeah, my feeling is once we actually geta good look at these people expecting a dramatic resizing are gonna be dissappointed

Not me.. because even a small resizing means that a conversion to "true scale" or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days will be scads easier. Would I prefer that they crank it to 11? Probably.. but I would understand why they would take a more conservative approach.

I'd rather see Cadians and Catachans be scaled down on par with the latest Chaos Cultists that have been included in the starter sets. That would do more to balance scale issues than more scale creep would. Bobbleheads... nnngh...

 Breotan wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Really looking forward to starting a Space Marine army with giant giant Space Marines...

I think you're going to be a little disappointed then. They're not that much taller than the Deathwatch plastics and even then it's mostly the legs that are differently scaled.

yeah, my feeling is once we actually geta good look at these people expecting a dramatic resizing are gonna be dissappointed

Not me.. because even a small resizing means that a conversion to "true scale" or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days will be scads easier. Would I prefer that they crank it to 11? Probably.. but I would understand why they would take a more conservative approach.

I'd rather see Cadians and Catachans be scaled down on par with the latest Chaos Cultists that have been included in the starter sets. That would do more to balance scale issues than more scale creep would. Bobbleheads... nnngh...

I could see Cadians.. but honestly Catachans are supposed to be like.. bodybuilder type monsters of men. Granted, they're beefcake AF but I've never thought they were out of line with their fluff..

I'd like Orks to either be scaled down or have their strength boosted. Never made sense to me they were S3 but had arms twice the size of a catachan or marine.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd like Orks to either be scaled down or have their strength boosted. Never made sense to me they were S3 but had arms twice the size of a catachan or marine.

It's a problem that Orks are supposed to be big and buff but they're also supposed to be a horde. By rights you could probably make them S4, but the increase in points would take them further away from being a horde army. So they compromise by making them T4 but still only the same S as a guardsman.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd like Orks to either be scaled down or have their strength boosted. Never made sense to me they were S3 but had arms twice the size of a catachan or marine.

It's a problem that Orks are supposed to be big and buff but they're also supposed to be a horde. By rights you could probably make them S4, but the increase in points would take them further away from being a horde army. So they compromise by making them T4 but still only the same S as a guardsman.

It's also what happens when you have stats that range from 1-10 but only give 3-6 to the vast majority. That variance of 4 points across almost everything in the game makes it a lot more difficult to show smaller differences.

There was also background (the super whacky book about Xenobiology, maybe? An Index article in WD?) that Orks have "lower muscle density" compared to humans. Kroot have much higher, so those scrawny birds can still rip your arm off.


Granted, an Ork could -and would- do the same given the opportunity. Were they S4 back in third? My memory is hazy and I don't want to look for my codex.

I can't talk about Orks but Kroot used to be Str 4.

I think the upper legs are extended and the chest is widened a bit and the pose is really raising the whole miniature higher. What this small gain in height and slightly changed proportions does, is give the impression of much greater size. So anyone who wants marines that look like they tower over marines will be getting what they want. They likely won't be getting ogre sized marines though.

In fact, I think the effect of these small but well chosen changes will be enough that having people speculate about them being so much bigger as a result of seeing a few pictures is inevitable. Like in this thread.

Also, there are factors of the human brain in interpreting form and the size of the head relative the rest of the body matters in terms of judging if someone or something looks tall when there's no other immediately intuitive frame of reference (or at least that's what graphic designers have told me ). These new marines, even if it is mostly the result of a small change of proportions and pose) have 1:6 head:height ratio and the current/previous tactical squad marines are closer to 1:5. As far as how our brain interprets things that's going to be huge. Normal humans in the real world tend to be a bit more than 1:7 with an idealized form at closer to 1:8 So it is a step in the right direction as far as looking more heroic.

I do hope that I'm wrong and when you get them in hand they are like 45mm to the top of the head, but it's probably not that much of a difference.

My guess: Deathwatch are the new size standard for normal marines, and the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

Also I really want majortom to post in this thread.

 Mymearan wrote:
the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

If that were literally true I'd buy all of them.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

If that were literally true I'd buy all of them.

For me, it would depend on who the mother was.

 Rayvon wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

If that were literally true I'd buy all of them.

For me, it would depend on who the mother was.

Kaldor Draigo.

 Mymearan wrote:
My guess: Deathwatch are the new size standard for normal marines, and the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

I would live with that.

 Mymearan wrote:
Also I really want majortom to post in this thread.

Why? So you can dogpile him?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
My guess: Deathwatch are the new size standard for normal marines, and the nu-marines are Guilliman's babies.

I would live with that.

 Mymearan wrote:
Also I really want majortom to post in this thread.

Why? So you can dogpile him?

No. Just to see his reaction. He was hilariously insistent with his ProCreate rant. I'm sure he can take it with the appropriate humour.

hard to tell on such a picture but those marines look horrid. I call fake

 reluxor wrote:
hard to tell on such a picture but those marines look horrid. I call fake

They're from GWs site, so that's unlikely.

New marines are most likely real. IMO if you understand how GW makes their money you realize that they will do everything they can to sell more marines.

so, will the new Whr40k edition be called age of Guilliman or age of Roboute ?

Well I'll be damned the Guilimarines are real. I'll buy some.

Are people STILL trying to say fake? Jeez guys.

 Breotan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Really looking forward to starting a Space Marine army with giant giant Space Marines...

I think you're going to be a little disappointed then. They're not that much taller than the Deathwatch plastics and even then it's mostly the legs that are differently scaled.

The last Space Marine army I had was a mix of Rogue Trader through 3rd edition , so these guys are preeeeetttty much twice the size of my RTB1 Beakies.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Are people STILL trying to say fake? Jeez guys.

nonono, they are not fake marines, the are alternative marines ;-) - all jokes aside, that probably will be the case at least for some time

I am glad to see this, as I have always thought the marines looked way too small for what they were supposed to represent. That, and I am a massive OCD for True-Scale stuff.

The new Mechanicus stuff is great, but even they suffers from the short torso, short biceps/forearms, short thighs/calves syndrome. At least their heads, hands and feet aren't also immensely massive like the seemingly gravity affected Cadians.

I think all of this is a holdover from the old sculpting days where the designers hand sculpted stuff, and the evolution of proper proportions never really came along. Back then it helped in the casting process, but now it just looks a bit archaic.

The other question, which I am sure has been brought up in the thread, is whether the vehicles will also be increased in size to compensate. If Marines wouldn't have fit 10 to a Rhino before when they were smaller, they sure as hell won't now. Maybe it might lead to a Renaissance amongst the Tech Marines who suddenly find out that you can improve tanks by giving them suspension tracks, rather than just do the one-piece-over-the-hull-side STC setup. I'd love that just as much, as it would help in its own small way to bring 40k into a new era. Same game functionality, just looks better.

Bloodmaster wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Are people STILL trying to say fake? Jeez guys.

nonono, they are not fake marines, the are alternative marines ;-) - all jokes aside, that probably will be the case at least for some time

I'm saying that they may not be that much larger than the current marines to be the rumoured numarines. They might be, but they might also just be a few mm larger and be normal tactical marines with revised proportions.

I'm hoping for 45mm numarines

One side effect.. all the guys that are making "not-marines" will now have to weigh their options.. as this will invalidate a lot of stock for more than a few of these types of companies.

 frozenwastes wrote:

Bloodmaster wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Are people STILL trying to say fake? Jeez guys.

nonono, they are not fake marines, the are alternative marines ;-) - all jokes aside, that probably will be the case at least for some time

I'm saying that they may not be that much larger than the current marines to be the rumoured numarines. They might be, but they might also just be a few mm larger and be normal tactical marines with revised proportions.

I'm hoping for 45mm numarines

Yeah, I was assuming those were marines on 40mm bases based off the original leaked pic next to the Last Chancer, if those are just 32mm bases the Numarines are on then they really aren't that much bigger at all.

I think another good sign for gullimarines being real if still needed, is the pretty weedy stat line for minimarines they spiolered leaving room for gullimarines to be better(2w, ld8, +2 to hit). Add on potentially better equipment and I would guess that should give them the edge.

So are those guys still gonna be S4 T4? That's what they appear to be in the stat announcement.

If the new models are really that different in scale, I won't be getting any.

The models ITT are not supposed to be regular Marines, so nobody knows their stats