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 r_squared wrote:
So, as we enter the final stretch, how are people feeling? Still intending to vote? Has the campaign changed the way you intend to vote, or cemented your beliefs?

If I could vote, I'd vote Labour. It boggles my mind when someone who isn't already wealthy votes Tory.

 feeder wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
So, as we enter the final stretch, how are people feeling? Still intending to vote? Has the campaign changed the way you intend to vote, or cemented your beliefs?

If I could vote, I'd vote Labour. It boggles my mind when someone who isn't already wealthy votes Tory.

It gets worse than that. About 40% of public sector (a lot on low paid jobs) also vote Tories too.

Really the problem is that most of our newspapers and media are very Conservative biased as the owners support the Tories directly because they are wealthy and hence they get the greatest benefits from having a Tory government. They have also inveigled there way into making the Tories slide up to them because of the influence they have. The BBC use to be more independent (really left of centre) but the with changes in how it is run the Conservatives have been slowly turning the screw on them as well.

For example these are todays headlines as some of the tabloids get a bit panicky about Corbyns popularity increase...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/right-wing-press-smear-jeremy-corbyn-general-election_uk_5937b82ce4b0aba888b9eb3d?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Got any space in Canada as I'm looking for a more rational country?

I actually voted a week ago (here's hoping the postal system works!)

Went for the Lib Dems, as they best respect my views. Unfortunately I'm in a very safe Tory seat, so it's normally just a toss up between Labour and LDs as to who gets second place

 Whirlwind wrote:


Really the problem is that most of our newspapers and media are very Conservative biased as the owners support the Tories directly because they are wealthy and hence they get the greatest benefits from having a Tory government. They have also inveigled there way into making the Tories slide up to them because of the influence they have. The BBC use to be more independent (really left of centre) but the with changes in how it is run the Conservatives have been slowly turning the screw on them as well.

A dailymash or similar headline I saw recently was "Vote Tory, urges newspapers owed by billionaire tax avoiders"

Got any space in Canada as I'm looking for a more rational country?

We are nothing but space. We'd love to have you! Bring a decent jacket for the winter, though.

Hope Clegg loses his seat.

He would sell his soul to Trump for power.

Can't believe some of the stuff in the tabloids at the moment, I'm amazed that the Daily Mail stopped short of adding little cartoon horns to Corbyn or giving him a Mohammed-like beard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/07/daily-mail-devotes-13-pages-to-attack-on-labour-apologists-for-terror

This is the first time in some time that I haven't known who to vote for, and might not at all.
Traditionally a Lib Dem voter, but I'm not in agreement with holding another referendum on the EU. As much as I disagreed with the referendum and think it will be remembered as one of the biggest disasters and bungled pieces of political mismanagement in Britain's history, that's the decision that was made and now we have to stick through it and come out the other side. I also can't understand the LDs, who have had a history of being progressive and.. well, liberal, putting someone such as Farron forward for leadership considering his views on abortion and homosexuality. The latter especially, considering the history of the Lib Dems..
And finally, Farron is no Paddy Ashdown (or Charles Kennedy for that matter), and in the words of Obama when describing David Cameron, seems like "a lightweight".

So that leaves.. Strong and Stable as an option. This is possibly the only time that I've thought about voting Tory, as I do think a strong majority would help May get a good Brexit deal and make some hard decisions. But then I think.. is she willing to really walk away without a trade deal? And I read about their disregard for the environment (de-regulation of fracking for instance), and I know about people who work in medical care and the strain they are under, and disabled people also that are struggling with their benefit cuts. And how they rounded on Corbyn, and tried to convince the un-educated that there is no link between our foreign policy and the UK becoming more of a terrorist target, while Tory politicians continue to get 'gifts' from the likes of the Saudis and make massive arms deals with them.
One thing is that the Tories do seem to have more seemingly competent politicians on their benches, which leads me to..

Team Red (as we have been led to believe). One thing that automatically endears me to Corbyn is the fact that most other politicans seem to hate him. I think they instinctively recognise that he isn't 'one of them', in the sense that he doesn't come across as a snivelling, pedantic sort and actually seems like an intelligent, normal human being. But, following the Labour leadership bout he doesn't seem to be surrounded by many competent ministers, and we have to remember the mess the Blairite Labour government left the economy in. You have to think the Tories do seem like the stronger economic option, but it's just a shame there is so much evil stuff that comes along with it!
I'm not too sure about some elements of Labour policy: Being a frequent traveller by train, and regularly paying (substantially) more for a return ticket to London than I do on a return flight to Europe (which regularly includes running to a transfer so you don't have to sit on the floor or stand in a gakky two-carriage train), I can't imagine how re-nationalising rail can make it any worse than it already is.
But I'm not too sure about re-nationalisation of power will work, or whether increases in tax for the top earners will be able to pay for all of that, and for the money that the NHS and education so desperately needs.

The only other party on my potentials list is the Greens, who seem a bit light on policy (other than being seemingly even more left-wing than a resurgent left-wing Labour party), but are representative of environmental concerns, which seem to have been almost completely neglected by the two main parties. On the other hand, they want to mark and end to nuclear power (the industry I work in), so possibly not too bright to vote that way!

Decisions, decisions..

The tabloids have been on an all out assault in the last week. Pages and pages of propaganda against Corbyn with the most ridiculous headlines.

I decided earlier that since I can't abide any of them on party lines to vote in line with the candidate instead.

In my constituency, I have the following choices. A Tory Cambridgite ex-financial analyst. A Labour candidate who quite literally works for Rupert Murdoch. A Liberal Democrat who's about 24 and works full-time for the party. A Green candidate who's all about weed and alternative medicine. A UKIP candidate who cannot write a coherent correctly spelt leaflet. And a Trade Union candidate who thinks Lenin had the right of things.

Now I honestly don't know if I can even be bothered to go and vote tomorrow. I'm sick of the leaders, the parties, and even the candidates are drab. Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

 Pacific wrote:
Can't believe some of the stuff in the tabloids at the moment, I'm amazed that the Daily Mail stopped short of adding little cartoon horns to Corbyn or giving him a Mohammed-like beard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/07/daily-mail-devotes-13-pages-to-attack-on-labour-apologists-for-terror

This is the first time in some time that I haven't known who to vote for, and might not at all.
Traditionally a Lib Dem voter, but I'm not in agreement with holding another referendum on the EU. As much as I disagreed with the referendum and think it will be remembered as one of the biggest disasters and bungled pieces of political mismanagement in Britain's history, that's the decision that was made and now we have to stick through it and come out the other side. ...

A democracy that can't change its mind isn't a democracy.

Back to the likely outcome; I think unless it is a Conservative landslide then May will have been damaged by the result, and Corbyn will have been strengthened. All those people saying he was unelectable will have to eat their words. He will have overcome a 20+% deficit in polling.

Listening to the speeches on Radio 4, I get some of the reason why Corbyn has become a hero up the pop charts. He sounds actually effective, enthusiastic and genuine. May sounds like a Dalek whose voice has been run through a vocaliser to make it sound human. She is the worst of all the party leaders. Even Nutter sounds more genuinely human, however much I despise his ideas.

Labour for me.

Only time I've not voted Labour was 2015, when I voted Tory to try to keep UKIP out. And it worked.

I live in Torytown though, so I don't feel like I especially betrayed my principles on that day.

This time definitely back to Red

Thank feck there is a Monster Looney Raving Candidate in Ceredigion. Weirdly, the local election is also going to have the least impact on the GE vote. It's a toss up between Plaid Cymru (no - just no) and Lib Dems.

 Ketara wrote:
Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Hope you don't roll a natural 1. It's usually an automatic failure.

So, everything will be known tomorrow's evening, I guess?

I'll probably go Con.


But Swansea has been Labour since 1922, I doubt that will change this time around.

 welshhoppo wrote:
I'll probably go Con.


But Swansea has been Labour since 1922, I doubt that will change this time around.

that might be unlikely to flip any thime soon

 Whirlwind wrote:
It gets worse than that. About 40% of public sector (a lot on low paid jobs) also vote Tories too.

The military could probably account for a fairly large chunk of that. I'm the only openly "out" Labour supporter that I know of, and I get some stick for it I can tell you. There are a few others that I suspect are Labour too, but are very quiet about it, unsurprising really as most of the guys I work with are Tories or UKIP.
However, the stick I get is good humoured, there's no malice, and I'm not forcing my ideas on people, so when we do debate, it tends to be pretty civilised.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Hope you don't roll a natural 1. It's usually an automatic failure.

So, everything will be known tomorrow's evening, I guess?

Probably by about 5 or 6am Friday, latest. How much earlier than that it could be is down to how close it is.

Well that's my voting done after a massive queue at 7 am (5 people) which flustered the people handing out the ballots a bit

nfe wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Hope you don't roll a natural 1. It's usually an automatic failure.

So, everything will be known tomorrow's evening, I guess?

Probably by about 5 or 6am Friday, latest. How much earlier than that it could be is down to how close it is.

One normally declare before 11pm.
Bur yeah, 5-6 AM depending on recounts and such. Though they may not be entirely finished that should declare a mathematical winner

 Ketara wrote:
I decided earlier that since I can't abide any of them on party lines to vote in line with the candidate instead.

In my constituency, I have the following choices. A Tory Cambridgite ex-financial analyst. A Labour candidate who quite literally works for Rupert Murdoch. A Liberal Democrat who's about 24 and works full-time for the party. A Green candidate who's all about weed and alternative medicine. A UKIP candidate who cannot write a coherent correctly spelt leaflet. And a Trade Union candidate who thinks Lenin had the right of things.

Now I honestly don't know if I can even be bothered to go and vote tomorrow. I'm sick of the leaders, the parties, and even the candidates are drab. Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Touch choice. If it were me, I'd either spoil your ballot in protest, or vote Green to give them some Short money.


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 jhe90 wrote:

nfe wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Hope you don't roll a natural 1. It's usually an automatic failure.

So, everything will be known tomorrow's evening, I guess?

Probably by about 5 or 6am Friday, latest. How much earlier than that it could be is down to how close it is.

One normally declare before 11pm.
Bur yeah, 5-6 AM depending on recounts and such. Though they may not be entirely finished that should declare a mathematical winner

Because of my remote rural location, our seat is not declared until 8am or similar. Not that it makes any difference to the national picture


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well that's my voting done after a massive queue at 7 am (5 people) which flustered the people handing out the ballots a bit

The nation is sliding into Fascism



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 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Can't believe some of the stuff in the tabloids at the moment, I'm amazed that the Daily Mail stopped short of adding little cartoon horns to Corbyn or giving him a Mohammed-like beard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/07/daily-mail-devotes-13-pages-to-attack-on-labour-apologists-for-terror

This is the first time in some time that I haven't known who to vote for, and might not at all.
Traditionally a Lib Dem voter, but I'm not in agreement with holding another referendum on the EU. As much as I disagreed with the referendum and think it will be remembered as one of the biggest disasters and bungled pieces of political mismanagement in Britain's history, that's the decision that was made and now we have to stick through it and come out the other side. ...

A democracy that can't change its mind isn't a democracy.

Back to the likely outcome; I think unless it is a Conservative landslide then May will have been damaged by the result, and Corbyn will have been strengthened. All those people saying he was unelectable will have to eat their words. He will have overcome a 20+% deficit in polling.

Listening to the speeches on Radio 4, I get some of the reason why Corbyn has become a hero up the pop charts. He sounds actually effective, enthusiastic and genuine. May sounds like a Dalek whose voice has been run through a vocaliser to make it sound human. She is the worst of all the party leaders. Even Nutter sounds more genuinely human, however much I despise his ideas.

What will happen to Corbyn though if he loses? Kinnock got another chance after losing 1987, but the Blairites might have the knives out for Corbyn. They have been itching to use them for weeks.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well that's my voting done after a massive queue at 7 am (5 people) which flustered the people handing out the ballots a bit

Someone call the local paper! We got news!


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
I decided earlier that since I can't abide any of them on party lines to vote in line with the candidate instead.

In my constituency, I have the following choices. A Tory Cambridgite ex-financial analyst. A Labour candidate who quite literally works for Rupert Murdoch. A Liberal Democrat who's about 24 and works full-time for the party. A Green candidate who's all about weed and alternative medicine. A UKIP candidate who cannot write a coherent correctly spelt leaflet. And a Trade Union candidate who thinks Lenin had the right of things.

Now I honestly don't know if I can even be bothered to go and vote tomorrow. I'm sick of the leaders, the parties, and even the candidates are drab. Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Touch choice. If it were me, I'd either spoil your ballot in protest, or vote Green to give them some Short money.


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 jhe90 wrote:

nfe wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Hope you don't roll a natural 1. It's usually an automatic failure.

So, everything will be known tomorrow's evening, I guess?

Probably by about 5 or 6am Friday, latest. How much earlier than that it could be is down to how close it is.

One normally declare before 11pm.
Bur yeah, 5-6 AM depending on recounts and such. Though they may not be entirely finished that should declare a mathematical winner

Because of my remote rural location, our seat is not declared until 8am or similar. Not that it makes any difference to the national picture


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well that's my voting done after a massive queue at 7 am (5 people) which flustered the people handing out the ballots a bit

The nation is sliding into Fascism



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 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Can't believe some of the stuff in the tabloids at the moment, I'm amazed that the Daily Mail stopped short of adding little cartoon horns to Corbyn or giving him a Mohammed-like beard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/07/daily-mail-devotes-13-pages-to-attack-on-labour-apologists-for-terror

This is the first time in some time that I haven't known who to vote for, and might not at all.
Traditionally a Lib Dem voter, but I'm not in agreement with holding another referendum on the EU. As much as I disagreed with the referendum and think it will be remembered as one of the biggest disasters and bungled pieces of political mismanagement in Britain's history, that's the decision that was made and now we have to stick through it and come out the other side. ...

A democracy that can't change its mind isn't a democracy.

Back to the likely outcome; I think unless it is a Conservative landslide then May will have been damaged by the result, and Corbyn will have been strengthened. All those people saying he was unelectable will have to eat their words. He will have overcome a 20+% deficit in polling.

Listening to the speeches on Radio 4, I get some of the reason why Corbyn has become a hero up the pop charts. He sounds actually effective, enthusiastic and genuine. May sounds like a Dalek whose voice has been run through a vocaliser to make it sound human. She is the worst of all the party leaders. Even Nutter sounds more genuinely human, however much I despise his ideas.

What will happen to Corbyn though if he loses? Kinnock got another chance after losing 1987, but the Blairites might have the knives out for Corbyn. They have been itching to use them for weeks.

Every Blairite will have spent the past 2 ish years sharpening there knives on whet stones to point they can cut atoms.
There gonna be stabbing, and probably not just from the back.

He never had as much supporters in the PLP vs the LP Grass roots.

 Ketara wrote:

Now I honestly don't know if I can even be bothered to go and vote tomorrow. I'm sick of the leaders, the parties, and even the candidates are drab. Maybe I'll roll a D6? That's what I'm down to here.

Write that on your spoiled ballot

Yeah, Corbyn will have to clean house after this election.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn will have to clean house after this election.

If you mean the shadow cabinet. His pool of candidates is already very shallow.
There's former enemies in there, some voted against and odd former rebel.

He can,t clean house too hard without risking only having a partial opposition cabinet.

..

Teresa May has enemies but she can also bribe there self intrst with power as PM and on the cabinet. And his Allie Abbot, one who despite car crash campaign seems loyal and kept a key role in loyalist hands. Well she out for least a few weeks maybe longer. It could be months before she returns to front bench duties.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn will have to clean house after this election.

If you mean the shadow cabinet. His pool of candidates is already very shallow.
There's former enemies in there, some voted against and odd former rebel.

He can,t clean house too hard without risking only having a partial opposition cabinet.

..

Teresa May has enemies but she can also bribe there self intrst with power as PM and on the cabinet.

If Corbyn wins, we'll be subjected to the nauseating spectacle of Blairites crawling back for the ministerial limo.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn will have to clean house after this election.

If you mean the shadow cabinet. His pool of candidates is already very shallow.
There's former enemies in there, some voted against and odd former rebel.

He can,t clean house too hard without risking only having a partial opposition cabinet.

..

Teresa May has enemies but she can also bribe there self intrst with power as PM and on the cabinet.

If Corbyn wins, we'll be subjected to the nauseating spectacle of Blairites crawling back for the ministerial limo.

Power tends to do that. Though kept at arms length out of knife range of course...could unlock some more competent or experienced ones like chaqqa Una.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The tabloids have been on an all out assault in the last week. Pages and pages of propaganda against Corbyn with the most ridiculous headlines.

I remember an anecdote from Brexit, it was talking about Conservative and Labour staffers working together. The Conservative staffers were knocked around by the nonsense coming out in the tabloids, and their readiness to print every bit of nonsense the leave campaign put up. The Labour staffers were bemused by this, to them having to work against nonsense in the tabloids was just part of the game.


Anyway, enjoy your democracy UK dakkaites! Whether you win or lose, whether you hate every party, democracy is still one of the great social achievements of mankind and it's great to play a little part in it every few years.

Off to vote.

I hope the queue of one person is not too bad!

No.. (3 people... We busy)
And saw the local MP voting, these people do exist!

Busy at Woodburn Primary School this mornings! All us farmer using it as a meet and greet. Can't believe the kids get a day off, wasters, they will be round my feet all day now!

Busy in village. Something like 350 votes so far and not even lunch time according to people there.

We are a village about 2500...
Seems people are leading a good turn out.

I got soaked to the bone doing my civic duty. Bloody rain!

Still, in the annals of British history, good men and women went through hell so we could vote, so a little rain is no big deal.




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On another note, surprised to see only 4 candidates running up here. No Greens, UKIP, loony party, or Sinn Fein up here