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The British Government has demanded total secrecy in its free trade talks with the US for a post-Brexit deal, i can reveal. Liam Fox’s Department for International Trade (DIT) has quietly opened preliminary discussions with a team of American officials. Both sides have agreed that their talks will be classified as either “sensitive” or “confidential”, and information will be shared only among approved individuals. Nothing can be released for four years after talks are concluded, unless both sides waive the secrecy rule, according to documents seen by i.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote: You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Where does the blue passport thing come from, I've only ever heard it referred to ironically once or twice.
May proudly proclaimed in December that after Brexit the UK can get back its "iconic blue passports" which were phased out in the 1980s in favour of the current burgendy red jobs.
There are a few ironies, though:
1. The EU pattern passport we have now can be any colour including blue if we want. It was our government's choice to make it red.
2. The EU passport design we have to use now, and can abandon after Brexit, conforms to the ICAA rules for passport design. After Brexit we will still have to use the same design if we want any British people to be able to fly abroad, or if we want any foreigners to enter the UK (because of the way passport reading machines work.)
3. Finally, the principle use of a passport is to get into different countries. After Brexit of course the UK passport will be a lot less useful for this.
The reason you hear this referred to ironically is becuase it is such a major example of the complete self-delusion around aspects of Brexit.
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‘Black cab rapist’ was hired as stripper for OUCA cabaret social
John Worboys performed striptease at the infamous ‘West One Cabaret’ in 1989
The Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA) once hired the ‘Black cab rapist’ then working as a stripper, for an infamous cabaret social.
John Worboys, then know as ‘Terry the Minder’, performed a striptease for Tory members, alongside a female stripper named “the exotic Vashanti”.
The event at Hertford College was attended by a young Sally Bercow (then Illman), wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow. She was blindfolded on stage before Worboys suggestively placed a banana in her hand.
According to a report at the time, prominent Tory backbencher Jacob Rees Mogg “heartily approved of [the event].
Now dubbed the ‘Black Cab Rapist’, Worboys was later jailed in 2009 after being convicted of 19 sexual assault charges. He notoriously drugged multiple women in his taxi.
The announcement that he would be released after serving only nine years of his sentence was met with heavy criticism nationwide last week.
Following the ‘West One Cabaret’ event, the Senior Proctor of the University refused to recognise OUCA as an official society, banning the Association from using the ‘Oxford University’ title in its name. The Association were also prohibited from holding events at Hertford. The ban apparently remains in place today.
The event provoked outrage across the University. The Entertainments Officer who organised the event did not disclose the nature of the event prior to the evening, but ex-President Lee Roberts stated that the officer put the proposal for a striptease in his election manifesto.
Timothy Doyle, President of OUCA, told Cherwell: “That a stripper should be invited to perform at an Association event is quite inconceivable today. The account of this event is disturbing, and unlike anything I have ever experienced during my time in the Association.
“It cannot be considered to reflect on the Association of today, or our values.”
Steve Best, OUCA president for Hilary 1989, told Cherwell at the time: “Had we been aware of the content of the acts in the cabaret, we would never have allowed the event to go ahead.”
Felicity Spector, then OUSU President, said: “It was indecent and disgusting. They’re sick!”
A January 1989 Cherwell editorial read: “Simulated oral sex in public cannot be defended on the ground that it gives other people pleasure (it doesn’t) or that it is not something to be taken seriously.
“Not only has OUCA permanently ruined its own reputation, it has also damaged the image of the whole university. Everybody suffers from the sel sh antics of a small group of untypical students.
“No-one can take a political group seriously which sees obscene acts as nothing more than a joke.
“The message is clear. Those who organised and took part in this degrading display have no place in a university which rejects sexual depravity.”
well
yeah.
blimey eh ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
‘Black cab rapist’ was hired as stripper for OUCA cabaret social
John Worboys performed striptease at the infamous ‘West One Cabaret’ in 1989
The Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA) once hired the ‘Black cab rapist’ then working as a stripper, for an infamous cabaret social.
John Worboys, then know as ‘Terry the Minder’, performed a striptease for Tory members, alongside a female stripper named “the exotic Vashanti”.
The event at Hertford College was attended by a young Sally Bercow (then Illman), wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow. She was blindfolded on stage before Worboys suggestively placed a banana in her hand.
According to a report at the time, prominent Tory backbencher Jacob Rees Mogg “heartily approved of [the event].
Now dubbed the ‘Black Cab Rapist’, Worboys was later jailed in 2009 after being convicted of 19 sexual assault charges. He notoriously drugged multiple women in his taxi.
The announcement that he would be released after serving only nine years of his sentence was met with heavy criticism nationwide last week.
Following the ‘West One Cabaret’ event, the Senior Proctor of the University refused to recognise OUCA as an official society, banning the Association from using the ‘Oxford University’ title in its name. The Association were also prohibited from holding events at Hertford. The ban apparently remains in place today.
The event provoked outrage across the University. The Entertainments Officer who organised the event did not disclose the nature of the event prior to the evening, but ex-President Lee Roberts stated that the officer put the proposal for a striptease in his election manifesto.
Timothy Doyle, President of OUCA, told Cherwell: “That a stripper should be invited to perform at an Association event is quite inconceivable today. The account of this event is disturbing, and unlike anything I have ever experienced during my time in the Association.
“It cannot be considered to reflect on the Association of today, or our values.”
Steve Best, OUCA president for Hilary 1989, told Cherwell at the time: “Had we been aware of the content of the acts in the cabaret, we would never have allowed the event to go ahead.”
Felicity Spector, then OUSU President, said: “It was indecent and disgusting. They’re sick!”
A January 1989 Cherwell editorial read: “Simulated oral sex in public cannot be defended on the ground that it gives other people pleasure (it doesn’t) or that it is not something to be taken seriously.
“Not only has OUCA permanently ruined its own reputation, it has also damaged the image of the whole university. Everybody suffers from the sel sh antics of a small group of untypical students.
“No-one can take a political group seriously which sees obscene acts as nothing more than a joke.
“The message is clear. Those who organised and took part in this degrading display have no place in a university which rejects sexual depravity.”
well
yeah.
blimey eh ?
It's a reflection on the people involved, but I don't think it indicates anything more.
iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote: You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
‘Black cab rapist’ was hired as stripper for OUCA cabaret social
John Worboys performed striptease at the infamous ‘West One Cabaret’ in 1989
The Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA) once hired the ‘Black cab rapist’ then working as a stripper, for an infamous cabaret social.
John Worboys, then know as ‘Terry the Minder’, performed a striptease for Tory members, alongside a female stripper named “the exotic Vashanti”.
The event at Hertford College was attended by a young Sally Bercow (then Illman), wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow. She was blindfolded on stage before Worboys suggestively placed a banana in her hand.
According to a report at the time, prominent Tory backbencher Jacob Rees Mogg “heartily approved of [the event].
Now dubbed the ‘Black Cab Rapist’, Worboys was later jailed in 2009 after being convicted of 19 sexual assault charges. He notoriously drugged multiple women in his taxi.
The announcement that he would be released after serving only nine years of his sentence was met with heavy criticism nationwide last week.
Following the ‘West One Cabaret’ event, the Senior Proctor of the University refused to recognise OUCA as an official society, banning the Association from using the ‘Oxford University’ title in its name. The Association were also prohibited from holding events at Hertford. The ban apparently remains in place today.
The event provoked outrage across the University. The Entertainments Officer who organised the event did not disclose the nature of the event prior to the evening, but ex-President Lee Roberts stated that the officer put the proposal for a striptease in his election manifesto.
Timothy Doyle, President of OUCA, told Cherwell: “That a stripper should be invited to perform at an Association event is quite inconceivable today. The account of this event is disturbing, and unlike anything I have ever experienced during my time in the Association.
“It cannot be considered to reflect on the Association of today, or our values.”
Steve Best, OUCA president for Hilary 1989, told Cherwell at the time: “Had we been aware of the content of the acts in the cabaret, we would never have allowed the event to go ahead.”
Felicity Spector, then OUSU President, said: “It was indecent and disgusting. They’re sick!”
A January 1989 Cherwell editorial read: “Simulated oral sex in public cannot be defended on the ground that it gives other people pleasure (it doesn’t) or that it is not something to be taken seriously.
“Not only has OUCA permanently ruined its own reputation, it has also damaged the image of the whole university. Everybody suffers from the sel sh antics of a small group of untypical students.
“No-one can take a political group seriously which sees obscene acts as nothing more than a joke.
“The message is clear. Those who organised and took part in this degrading display have no place in a university which rejects sexual depravity.”
well
yeah.
blimey eh ?
That sort of stuff was pretty standard in the 1980s. When I went to medical school at Liverpool in the early 80s, the freshers' initiation party involved various puerile simulated sex acts, no strippers though.
It was embarrassing at the time and very rightly done away with long ago.
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Where does the blue passport thing come from, I've only ever heard it referred to ironically once or twice.
Farage seems to make a big deal of it from time to time, because apparently having "European Union" written on the passport cover is a form of oppression.
It's also, as far as I can tell, the only victory Brexiteers can claim at this point, even though the victory itself is entirely pointless.
Not great even for least hit nations/ regions: London, SW, Yorkshire, SE
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
It's also, as far as I can tell, the only victory Brexiteers can claim at this point, even though the victory itself is entirely pointless.
If only David Cameron had realised that if he'd just gone to the EU and asked for blue passports he would have won the referendum!
Still at least we still get to pay extra for that blue colour! (Note its to pay for the extra border costs but as they are basically linked to the same cause)
Kilkrazy wrote: That is the same Daily Mail that branded British judges upholding citizen rights under constitutional law as "Enemies of the People."
I wouldn't wipe my rear with the mail, but a free press in a free nation, which ours is supposed to be, has every right to say that, however distasteful it may be...
Not when it applies selectively and could be used to incite violence though.
If a paper from a Mosque started calling a group of people "enemies of the people" they'd likely be arrested for supporting terrorism or radicalising people. If a fail of a paper does it that just happens to support the Tory party then it is freedom of speech...
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
There are dark times when I think the only positive from Brexit may be that the pro-Brexiteers will find themselves so painfully anally shafted by the results that they will be awoken to sad reality.
The rest of us simply must put up with the fall-out in the meantime. After the awakening we may be able to get the nation back on track. It will take 10-20 years, but eventually we will get there.
In lighter times I feel that with a bit of luck, Brexit will at the worst result in another 10 years of stagnation, drift and slow decline. I mean, surely it can't be as bad as the worst estimates?
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Kilkrazy wrote: There are dark times when I think the only positive from Brexit may be that the pro-Brexiteers will find themselves so painfully anally shafted by the results that they will be awoken to sad reality.
The rest of us simply must put up with the fall-out in the meantime. After the awakening we may be able to get the nation back on track. It will take 10-20 years, but eventually we will get there.
In lighter times I feel that with a bit of luck, Brexit will at the worst result in another 10 years of stagnation, drift and slow decline. I mean, surely it can't be as bad as the worst estimates?
Depends if you like eating I guess
Probably not much fun if you have a medical condition or become ill.
As a disabled person not very happy given the UN consider the Tory filth have been breaching my human rights even with the various euro courts watching them. Likely to get pretty hairy when they go fully feral with no checks and balances at all.
If ever wanted to live the running man, Hunger Games or Clockwork Orange then you may have a bit of fun. Saying that the last time the country went full tory we got 2000ad and 40k not sure it is worth it mind.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Even the best estimates are pretty bad when all of the government services are already struggling with the cuts. Knock 1% off the GDP and we'll need to make more cuts somewhere else
r_squared wrote: He's talking gak, the definition of Trolling. Throw in an outrageous statement to inflame and back it up with nothing, sit back and watch people argue over feth all. Ignore him.
....
Bring back UKIP.
So.... kettle, how black thou art?
So, as well as not providing any evidence except supposition, you attempt to deflect by selectively quoting three words with no context out of my whole post. Get a grip. If you want to make childish and inflammatory accusations without a shred of evidence you need to get yourself over to a proper conspiracy forum rather than waste our time with your rubbish on here.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Happily, as the problem is clearly not chronic underfunding by the ideological gakbags currently in charge, it's a lack of US corporations running things, Brexit has the answer. Can't wait. Ha.
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r_squared wrote: He's talking gak, the definition of Trolling. Throw in an outrageous statement to inflame and back it up with nothing, sit back and watch people argue over feth all. Ignore him.
....
Bring back UKIP.
So.... kettle, how black thou art?
So, as well as not providing any evidence except supposition, you attempt to deflect by selectively quoting three words with no context out of my whole post. Get a grip. If you want to make childish and inflammatory accusations without a shred of evidence you need to get yourself over to a proper conspiracy forum rather than waste our time with your rubbish on here.
You realize you have just done what Baron accused you of again, right?
I noticed you are from Boston looking at your location. I think of all the places that have shot themselves in the foot with Brexit, Boston is one of the worst. It will utterly collapse on itself, and I honestly can't wait, it's full of horrid bitter racists that dislike eastern Europeans that are working longer and harder than them.
It really is every man for himself now. I have a good job, low mortgage to value of the house, resession proof hopefully with some decent savings. But so many brits are going to suffer. I have sympathy for those too ill-educated to understand what they were voting for. All those that did it because the docs had a few non-english speakers in the waiting room, those that did it because they seriously thought the NHS was saved by voting out, get nothing.
Happily, as the problem is clearly not chronic underfunding by the ideological gakbags currently in charge, it's a lack of US corporations running things, Brexit has the answer. Can't wait. Ha.
I think Tory party policy is:-
If you are ill and rich businesses will treat you. If you are poor and ill please die quickly. There a bulk packages of cyanide over in the cabinet...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Happily, as the problem is clearly not chronic underfunding by the ideological gakbags currently in charge, it's a lack of US corporations running things, Brexit has the answer. Can't wait. Ha.
I think Tory party policy is:-
If you are ill and rich businesses will treat you. If you are poor and ill please die quickly. There a bulk packages of cyanide over in the cabinet...
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
The Japanese ambassador to the UK has a blunt warning for Theresa May - If there is no profitability of continuing operations in the UK.. no private company can continue operations.. it's as simple as that.. this is all high stakes & we should keep that in mind
... Gets better by the day.
Grayling is involved so it'll probably go wrong or bust soon enough.
leaked reports suggested the UK would be granted about 1200 licenses.
We've got somewhere between 17,00 - 75,000 drivers/haulers who'd need them.
.. Genuinely never thought I'd live to watch my own country vote to put economic sanctions upon itself.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
whembly wrote:This "disfunction" is primarily the result of government intervention on both the Federal and State level.
We'd probably have more in common then you think.
It's because it's an industry with a profit motive, that the government fethed up some regulations on top of that is just the icing on a shitcake.
...uh whut?
Off top of my head...
Mylan? Teva? Amgen? Bristol-Meyers? Allergan? Those are european Pharmaceutical companies... are they not 'for-profit'??
Seimens and Teleflx?? These are massive German companies in "healthcare industry"...are they not 'for-profit' too?
Does your German poo-cakes taste better?
Oh wait, you mean the actual care providers? Like hospitals?
No idea what you have... so, can't compare.
Fun fact: ~65% of hospitals in the US are non-profit. ~15% of hospitals are for profit (a dying breed where 5 yrs ago, it was closer to 25%) ~20% of hospitals are government owned (VA being the largest) ~Emergency Room visits cannot be turned away due to inability to pay (see EMTALA Act)
The biggest differences between the US and European models is the 'middle man'... Health Insurance vs. direct taxation.
Do we have fundamental problems in the US? Yes...
Much of it is exacerbated by Federal and State laws.
Sheesh, that doesn't mean we don't have things to offer...
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So, as well as not providing any evidence except supposition, you attempt to deflect by selectively quoting three words with no context out of my whole post. Get a grip. If you want to make childish and inflammatory accusations without a shred of evidence you need to get yourself over to a proper conspiracy forum rather than waste our time with your rubbish on here.
May I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules of this forum, as personal attacks on your fellow posters are strictly prohibited. Which has been pretty much all you've done rather than actually disprove anything I said (and props to Ketra for having done his research.)
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Because your healthcare system is dysfunctional as hell mainly due to the heavy focus on private actors compared to European equivalents?
This "disfunction" is primarily the result of government intervention on both the Federal and State level.
We'd probably have more in common then you think.
As someone working as a business analyst at a major international health insurer, it’s cute that you think that.
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Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
Having spent time in hospitals in the UK an US; the US system seems profit driven and hugely inefficient, with a big hospital visit resulting in financial destruction even when insured. You seem to be paying about 10x more in health insurance, and your co-pays cost more than the treatment itself does elsewhere. It's the Tory wet dream.
The US system doesn't seem that bad in isolation, but it doesn't stack up well against anyone else.
Healthcare really shouldn't be profit driven or in the hands of private companies or you end up in the situation where people ignore conditions until it becomes insufferable or kills them, or forces them to self treat or get alleyway medical care.We as a society should be better than that.
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Having spent time in hospitals in the UK an US; the US system seems profit driven and hugely inefficient, with a big hospital visit resulting in financial destruction even when insured. You seem to be paying about 10x more in health insurance, and your co-pays cost more than the treatment itself does elsewhere. It's the Tory wet dream.
The US system doesn't seem that bad in isolation, but it doesn't stack up well against anyone else.
Healthcare really shouldn't be profit driven or in the hands of private companies or you end up in the situation where people ignore conditions until it becomes insufferable or kills them, or forces them to self treat or get alleyway medical care.We as a society should be better than that.
Businesses want and need to make a profit which is not a limitation for public bodies. As such a business orientated healthcare system isn't just concentrating on the health of the patient but also the health of the business. Their goal is to extract the most profitable amount of money out of a patient. Therefore if suppose you get cancer then a quick more painless method of treatment is likely to cost more as that inevitably means less time in treatment more specialised, higher costing drugs. More painful mass market treatments will therefore be more available but not necessarily better for the patient but may only be available to poorer parts of society. A state run system should make a decision in the best interests of the patient only.
Pharmaceuticals does have similar issues. They concentrate on profitable items, however in some areas such as new antibiotics which we desperately need there is little investment because it simply isn't profitable. This could lead to serious issues if nothing is really done until all our antibiotics start becoming worthless meaning even routine operations become hazardous due to bacterial infection.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
whembly wrote:This "disfunction" is primarily the result of government intervention on both the Federal and State level.
We'd probably have more in common then you think.
It's because it's an industry with a profit motive, that the government fethed up some regulations on top of that is just the icing on a shitcake.
...uh whut?
Off top of my head...
Mylan? Teva? Amgen? Bristol-Meyers? Allergan? Those are european Pharmaceutical companies... are they not 'for-profit'??
Seimens and Teleflx?? These are massive German companies in "healthcare industry"...are they not 'for-profit' too?
Does your German poo-cakes taste better?
Oh wait, you mean the actual care providers? Like hospitals?
No idea what you have... so, can't compare.
Fun fact: ~65% of hospitals in the US are non-profit. ~15% of hospitals are for profit (a dying breed where 5 yrs ago, it was closer to 25%) ~20% of hospitals are government owned (VA being the largest) ~Emergency Room visits cannot be turned away due to inability to pay (see EMTALA Act)
The biggest differences between the US and European models is the 'middle man'... Health Insurance vs. direct taxation.
Do we have fundamental problems in the US? Yes...
Much of it is exacerbated by Federal and State laws.
Sheesh, that doesn't mean we don't have things to offer...
Here, no operation or treatment can be denied due to inability to pay. The fact you hold up not being turned away at an emergency room as some kind of plus is depressing. You are literally saying that "We don't let people bleed to death outside our hospital" is some kind of achievement. Also, after these people are treated, I imagine they are still billed for it? They just aren't flat out refused.
I mean, you have companies which provide dialysis which discourage their patients from getting transplants
Also, it won't be your non-profit healthcare providers who try to buy up NHS contracts. It'll be the parasitical for-profit companies.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Warning - this link contains a picture of Richard Desmond - NSF anywhere.
Confirmation Dirty Des is leaving the newspaper business. What a sad loss. No doubt his profit making Health Peoples Not At All Owned By A Pornographer Honestly Lottery will now get his full attention.
Will be fascinating to see where the Express goes from here. Completely down the toilet hopefully. And I say this as someone who has seen and loves The Day The Earth Caught Fire, which depicts The Express actually doing journalism. A very long time ago.
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