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 nintura wrote:

BertBert wrote:
These Primaris Marines might very well be the first reason in almost 20 years of Warhammer for me to buy a box of Space Marines.

I'm genuinely impressed.

I'm still not sure if it makes sense. It's the end of the 40th Millennium. And now all of a sudden we've released new marines and instantly all the chapters have them? This universe is not small. How do they travel across the universe instantly?

They are pulling an "Attack of the Clones" here and, honestly, I don't know how they will justify the logistics, but for me the miniatures have always been the driving force behind this hobby, so I'll be content with whatever reasoning they come up.

 Mymearan wrote:
Jesus, those are AMAZING. I'm giddy over here, these models are some of the best I've ever seen, from any company... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

Breathe, Mym.

Breaaatheeee!

 nintura wrote:

BertBert wrote:
These Primaris Marines might very well be the first reason in almost 20 years of Warhammer for me to buy a box of Space Marines.

I'm genuinely impressed.

I'm still not sure if it makes sense. It's the end of the 40th Millennium. And now all of a sudden we've released new marines and instantly all the chapters have them? This universe is not small. How do they travel across the universe instantly?

Wibbly wobbly warp travel.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
That said, I rather hope we end up with a proper civil war involving the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves (and their successors) regarding the Primaris. Some chapter's secrets might be too much for these new Astartes to accept leading to open accusarions of heresy and geneseed mutation gone too far...

Death to the Usurper Emperor!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder what the stats will be. T5? S5? W2? I hope that Custodes are still better.

I'm guessing Custodes will be better, but not by much. It feels like Primaris marines will be a gap fill between the two.

That said, I rather hope we end up with a proper civil war involving the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves (and their successors) regarding the Primaris. Some chapter's secrets might be too much for these new Astartes to accept leading to open accusarions of heresy and geneseed mutation gone too far...

And THAT'S why I love my Salamanders. No secrets. No heresy. Just good old boys. (that and I hate marine armies, but I love dragons and fire so....)

Looks like they've finally taught Marines to stand up a little straighter too - bravo!

Those figs look awesome. I own a ton of marines, but those figs have made my decision about what to for 8th very easy. Damn, I'm really impressed. I haven't said that about a GW product in a long time.

I have about 10k points of Blood Angels and not a single tactical marine.

Looks like I might do some shopping over the summer.

 Mymearan wrote:
... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

And there you've hit why this is a problem on the head, at least fluff wise (models are fine as far as I can see).

There is no way this can be spun that doesn't cheapen normal space marines, which just went from humanity's finest mass production supersoldiers to "I guess they'll do, they're no Indomitus marine though."

And sure, Custodes already fit the design space of "double space marine", but the distinction there is that they aren't mass produced. These fellows have been shipped out all over the galaxy and even have entire all-Indomitus chapters already.

Couldn't agree more. It's getting to the point in which GW is outdoing itself in making every new release "extra special" to the point of ridiculousness.

We already had "special" marines (I see you GK and Custodes). Soon enough we'll have the ultra extra special super duper uber spess mehreens if things keep going.

 nintura wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder what the stats will be. T5? S5? W2? I hope that Custodes are still better.

I'm guessing Custodes will be better, but not by much. It feels like Primaris marines will be a gap fill between the two.

That said, I rather hope we end up with a proper civil war involving the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves (and their successors) regarding the Primaris. Some chapter's secrets might be too much for these new Astartes to accept leading to open accusarions of heresy and geneseed mutation gone too far...

And THAT'S why I love my Salamanders. No secrets. No heresy. Just good old boys. (that and I hate marine armies, but I love dragons and fire so....)

...who went from being African black to Coal black and having glowing red eyes. Cue chaos influence accusations perhaps?

I could see RG definitely being accused of pulling a second Heresy once he starts meddling with the first founding chapters.

I know it's never going to happen, but how Fabius Bile reacts to this should be interesting.
Some Primarch just shows up and within months releases a new, improved Space Marine on the Galaxy? He'll either be thrilled at the new possibilities (And with it a massive need to acquire the "Enhanced Gene-seed") or apoplectic at someone attempting to usurp the title of Primogenitor (and with it a massive need to kill Cawl and acquire the "Enhanced Gene-seed").

Sadly though a scenario box of a new Fabius Bile and his New Man vs Cawl and some newly minted Primaris is a wish too far I think.

I'll probably get a squad and the new dreadnought, but that's about it. Lord knows I've already got a gak load of marines in 30k and 40k.

 Alpharius wrote:
Looks like they've finally taught Marines to stand up a little straighter too - bravo!

Surely they've gotta be at least 10 feet tall, fluffwise, ya think?

changemod wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

And there you've hit why this is a problem on the head, at least fluff wise (models are fine as far as I can see).

There is no way this can be spun that doesn't cheapen normal space marines, which just went from humanity's finest mass production supersoldiers to "I guess they'll do, they're no Indomitus marine though."

And sure, Custodes already fit the design space of "double space marine", but the distinction there is that they aren't mass produced. These fellows have been shipped out all over the galaxy and even have entire all-Indomitus chapters already.

Custodes can't even be produced anymore since we have no Emperor leading the project. And if they,re double Mares, then Primaris are the 1.5x Marines. Better, but not a complete showing up I bet.

Wonder ifthis is why we haven't gotten a new BL writing contest this year: too many lore changes to jump into.

Hm. Wonder how a chapter like the Red Hunters (which is basically Inquisitor run) would handle the new boys. Acceptance as a new tool against Chaos, or shunned as potential heresy?


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 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
I know it's never going to happen, but how Fabius Bile reacts to this should be interesting.
Some Primarch just shows up and within months releases a new, improved Space Marine on the Galaxy? He'll either be thrilled at the new possibilities (And with it a massive need to acquire the "Enhanced Gene-seed") or apoplectic at someone attempting to usurp the title of Primogenitor (and with it a massive need to kill Cawl and acquire the "Enhanced Gene-seed").

Sadly though a scenario box of a new Fabius Bile and his New Man vs Cawl and some newly minted Primaris is a wish too far I think.

Sounds like both a good campaign, and a possible novel right threre.

 Galas wrote:

Belisarius Cawl is Bill Gates of the future. He just hates the number 9

Nine is an unlucky number, alot of engineers that want to sell in Asia skip that one. Just like skipping 13 in the west.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

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changemod wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

And there you've hit why this is a problem on the head, at least fluff wise (models are fine as far as I can see).

There is no way this can be spun that doesn't cheapen normal space marines, which just went from humanity's finest mass production supersoldiers to "I guess they'll do, they're no Indomitus marine though."

And sure, Custodes already fit the design space of "double space marine", but the distinction there is that they aren't mass produced. These fellows have been shipped out all over the galaxy and even have entire all-Indomitus chapters already.

Couldn't agree more.

I definitely understand that feeling - it's why I wasn't particularly interested in the idea. However reading how they're handling it I feel like older Marines will still have a place as the representatives of the Imperium as it was - idiosyncratic and ancient. I have to admit that as a Xenos player Primaris Marines feel new and intimidating, character-wise, in ways that the older Astartes don't - but that's a good feeling and it doesn't detract from the history that the older chapters have.

While I feel like older chapters will get replaced in the very long term, I hope that the Primaris Marines don't copy the thunderwolves and death company and other elements of the chapters that feel like ancient traditions. Primaris Marines should remain their own stormcast-y thing imo and let the older Astartes have their idiosyncrasies.

The Crimson Fists would have been sent like 500 of them. Woo! Back to full strength!

But really, I am probably going to get a couple Squads of them for my Crimson Fists and Blood Angels. They do look fairly nice. And since the shoulder pauldrons are the same, they will probably work with the Chapter Upgrade Sprue.

New theory: The units in the Starter Set are just the regular Primaris Marines with the Ultramarines Chapter Upgrade Sprue included. That would explain why there are molded pauldrons, but wouldn't necessitate a whole new mold.

Also, looks like we discovered what the Gene seed tithe was for.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 crnaguja wrote:
So, it seems standard marines are going the way of the dodo (as it seems the numarines will replace old marines battlefield roles, I fear from now on we won't get any new normal marines releases). Meh, I always wanted to play Guard anyways.

According to the FAQ old Marines will have wargear options exclusive to them. Wich means running a pure Primaris army will lose you some wargear flexibility. They're also more expensive than normal Marines (I'm guessing they,ll cost as much as veterans, if not more, standard) so running an army of them will be smaller than normal (I imagine it mit look a lot like the old Draigowing armies of 5th that wee half the size of most armies at the time).

For options now but you willing to bet there won't be n+1 releases later filling in blanks:-)

So far least interesting sneak peak for me. Give transports already!

This could lead to civil war in the Imperium, a big split, which I think has been needed for a while. The game has always had too much of a focus on the Imperium, so we end up with Marines vs Marines a lot of the time in games. It doesn't reflect the lore too well. Now there is a good reason for this, or at the very least justification.

One other interesting development due to this is that Chaos Space Marines will now have an image that is more inline with their background. They are meant to be 10,000 years old, but only aged a small amount due to the Warp., so should look out of place next to Marines in the current setting which has made a few advancements.

Having said that I do imagine that in a few years time the current Marine range is cut off. A bit like how Empire for WHFB have no new models, but are still playable.

It's amazing what people can do with ProCreate these days.


I kid, I kid.

I like the Maximus-inspired helmets.

Here's some of the shots from the video that was posted earlier. It contains a couple of comparisons against the weedy old marines as well:


Spoilered for big images.

The marine in the far right, the one without helmet, and with the Mohawk... isn't he familiar?

 stonehorse wrote:
This could lead to civil war in the Imperium, a big split, which I think has been needed for a while. The game has always had too much of a focus on the Imperium, so we end up with Marines vs Marines a lot of the time in games. It doesn't reflect the lore too well. Now there is a good reason for this, or at the very least justification.

That is a nice advantage.

One other interesting development due to this is that Chaos Space Marines will now have an image that is more inline with their background. They are meant to be 10,000 years old, but only aged a small amount due to the Warp., so should look out of place next to Marines in the current setting which has made a few advancements.

Though presumably newer Chaos kits will expand their scale with various warp-fueled modifications.

Having said that I do imagine that in a few years time the current Marine range is cut off. A bit like how Empire for WHFB have no new models, but are still playable.

The nice thing is that most of the current Marine lines are basically done. What else would they even have to release, beyond controversial new things like Centurions?

Even most of the non-codex chapters have their own kits all done.

Fluff destruction full steam ahead!

 stonehorse wrote:
This could lead to civil war in the Imperium, a big split, which I think has been needed for a while. The game has always had too much of a focus on the Imperium, so we end up with Marines vs Marines a lot of the time in games.

So you think the solution to seeing Marines vs Marines a lot of the time is a civil war plot device where... Marines inevitably fight Marines?

 Kirasu wrote:
Fluff destruction full steam ahead!

With a Thunder hammer to the forehead. I can already hear the sickening splatter.

Youn wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Belisarius Cawl is Bill Gates of the future. He just hates the number 9

Nine is an unlucky number, alot of engineers that want to sell in Asia skip that one. Just like skipping 13 in the west.

...no?

In China, at least, it's pretty much the opposite.

I'm pretty disappointed the way they did this. In my opinion, there were 2 acceptable paths...

Path 1: NuMarines aren't really anything other than excuse to redo the base model and encourage everyone to buy them all over again.

Path 2: Nu Marines are used as an excuse to consolidate all the disparate chapters into a single unified 'space marine' book.

But they are neither. They are an entirely new Imperium Army of Super Space Marines that can be used in current Space Marine armies. What role could they honestly play? What hole was there left to fill?

 xttz wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
This could lead to civil war in the Imperium, a big split, which I think has been needed for a while. The game has always had too much of a focus on the Imperium, so we end up with Marines vs Marines a lot of the time in games.

So you think the solution to seeing Marines vs Marines a lot of the time is a civil war plot device where... Marines inevitably fight Marines?

I think his point was that now there's a fluff justification for something that's already happening. There's no amount of background fluff that would stop people who collect Marines from playing games against other people who collect Marines - now at least they have a slightly better story hook for it.