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2017/05/16 19:00:50
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
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PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
kestral wrote: If they do interesting fluff on the tension between Adeputs Restartes and the old line space marines I'll be more cool with the addition.
Agreed.
Still not sure how I feel. Spent the last 2 years building up Blood Angels, and I do like the models. But what's going to happen? Will the chapters cease making traditional marines and convert to the new formula? I find this unlikely.
It could blossom into a guardsman - Ogryn concept as that would be more natural.
And interesting to note, but I don't think that anyone has drawn attention to the fact that this is, in almost every way, a repeat of the great crusade. Think about how 1 man, RG, is delivering relief and empowered soldiers to worlds once conquered. How these marines, born from Geneseed of brothers they never knew, are being reunited.
Honestly, there's a bit of nostalgia buried beneath the shock...
Edit: plus, what about the horus heresy line? We don't honestly believe that entire line is being discontinued do we, along side their best selling line of models in 20 years?
It just doesn't make sense, so I'm not buying in.
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2017/05/16 19:04:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
At one time all Marines were beakies. Then Mark Copplestone made Death Eagle Marines and now everything since then has been modelled on them. (Though slowly growing in size.) The Mk numbers were retconned to explain the difference between the then new Marines and the old beakies. See, it's happened before. New Mk armour for some new Marines, YMMV and all that.
What would take real balls is to reset all the chapters. The chapters you know and love today were just the studio's chapters with, WAIT FOR IT, no special rules! Viking themed Space Marines, yes please? Werewolf Marines, no thank you! And while I'm sure all our favs will still exist, I can see GW dialling back the insanity of Blood Angels and Space Wolves recreating the Underworld movie franchise.
Heads and shoulder pads are the only things you can use from earlier Mks of Marines...except original beakies, which had integral shoulder pads.
2017/05/16 19:06:46
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
timd wrote: So, the new Death Guard green paint in a spray can?
Wow I count like 6-7 bells! What are they the new "skull"?
The starter kit Deathguard may come on a green sprue (and the Ultras on a blue sprue). GW has really gotten into using color coded sprues in starter sets. Of course, it could also be the new Deathguard Green is spray form.
Also, bells are kind of Nurgles thing. Take a look at the Putrid Blightkings.
Yea but I somehow doubt they will be supplying us with deathguard green basing sand.
ClockworkZion wrote: Frankly I'm hoping the Primaris Marines and all they imply lead to a splintering of the Imperium and locking the setting into a new civil war while it's being torn into by threats by all sides.
I mean from the fluff alone the Inquisition will likely not be able to calm their exterminatus button fingers over the idea that a "mere" Primarch tampered with the Emperor's work the way he did.
So basically the Imperium gets broken into subfactions with everyone claiming to be the side that actually follows the Emperor's vision, more Primarchs come back and the infighting gets messier.
Also I wonder if RG will bother to update his Codex so everyone gets a clean copy of what it should read instead of the incomplete ones that currently exist. And of course I look forward to the chaos that causes as well.
Basically, if GW does this right, I don't even know if the Emperor's return could save the Imperium.
And that's kind of awesome.
This is something that we will see in the first few books that have these Marines in them.
2017/05/16 19:08:31
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
ClockworkZion wrote: Wonder if we'll be seeing a new Green Spray to go with the new Plague Marine models since this is a brighter green than the current Caliban Green.
That or they used an airbrush to base coat the model.
Remember that the gift guide back in December had a new green, tied to Death Guard.
I think it was a Base called "Death Guard Green"? Might be wrong on the name, but it never saw a release.
I would be shocked if there was not a spray release. Retributor Gold spray came really quick after the Stormcast and the starter set.
2017/05/16 19:09:16
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Also, bells are kind of Nurgles thing. Take a look at the Putrid Blightkings.
I'd rather look at the past three decades of Death Guard models and note that not a single one of them has a bell.
Possibly because this guy appears to have stolen them all
Yea I always liked the bells as an addition to nurgle stuff in artwork and I even used the zombie kit bells on some of my stuff, but holy crap there is such a thing as too much. Luckily you can snip 6 out of 7 of them off easily.
ClockworkZion wrote: Wonder if we'll be seeing a new Green Spray to go with the new Plague Marine models since this is a brighter green than the current Caliban Green.
That or they used an airbrush to base coat the model.
Remember that the gift guide back in December had a new green, tied to Death Guard.
I think it was a Base called "Death Guard Green"? Might be wrong on the name, but it never saw a release.
I would be shocked if there was not a spray release. Retributor Gold spray came really quick after the Stormcast and the starter set.
I think it was just called Death Guard.
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warboss wrote: If it were just a model scale/asthetics change and a moderate fluff change (new Mk X armor and new pattern bolter!), I'd be fine with it. It's the fluff replacement of Adeptus Astartes with Adeptus Restartes that bothers me the most as it was unnecessary.
1) I agree with this statement.
2) I'm stealing the term "Adeptus Restartes".
Spoiler:
Carlovonsexron wrote:seconded. adpetus restartes is pure genius.
Gamgee wrote:Hahah Adeptus Restartes yep that is definitely what I'll call them from now on too.
BrotherGecko wrote:Best summation of my sentiments as well.
I will calling them Adeptus Restartes too.
Lol, thanks guys. Feel free as I put it out there since it sums up succinctly what they are in practice IMO just like sigmarines did with AOS.
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2017/05/16 19:19:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
What ever happened to the rumors of other Primarchs waking up and the idea of one loyalist and one traitor switching sides? Are these still viable rumors? Are they going to help solidify the new plot that the next edition and boxed game brings in?
I would have expected a faster rollout considering we're already moving toward a new boxed game which will no doubt take up multiple months and the entire Death Guard release likely eating up a great deal of the remainder of the year.
2017/05/16 19:20:42
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
People really complained that the Imdomintus Crusade is like the great crusade? No. I can't believe- I won't believe that people will try to hate it that much for no reason.
Guilliman is taking what he can, and doing what he can, that is all.
2017/05/16 19:27:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Kanluwen wrote: Remember that the gift guide back in December had a new green, tied to Death Guard.
I think it was a Base called "Death Guard Green"? Might be wrong on the name, but it never saw a release.
Yes. It was Deathguard Green according to this PICTURE.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/05/16 19:32:51
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Bull0 wrote: It's more or less the same as the change from Empire -> Stormcast Eternals - "They're elite troops reinforcing your beleaguered armies...!" but really your beleaguered army is being gracefully phased out.
It's OK to be bummed about it, I'm pretty attached to existing marines with their quirky permanent squat and weird proportions, but in time I'm sure I'll think about my current models the way I think about my old metal marines, or the first, shoddy mk.7 plastics, etc.
There's actually been no indication that the Empire models that haven't already been phased out (i.e knights and militia) are going anywhere, so by that comparison the old marines will still be around indefinitely.
And cannons, mortars nearly every named character. Building a good 8th edition empire army is impossible without paying 2-3 times the old retail price for a bunch of stuff on eBay.
Now image WHEN this happens to the marine range. Yes you can still buy a marine army but all the rhino hull based tanks are gone, as are assualt marines and all your characters. But look at these shiney NU-Marines, yes why don't you play these instead, they get a new release every few weeks!
It doesn't matter how many times GW say it won't happen, because they lied to us about the fantasy range. Nobody will believe them, we know it will happen.
it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it.
2017/05/16 19:34:56
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Bull0 wrote: It's more or less the same as the change from Empire -> Stormcast Eternals - "They're elite troops reinforcing your beleaguered armies...!" but really your beleaguered army is being gracefully phased out.
It's OK to be bummed about it, I'm pretty attached to existing marines with their quirky permanent squat and weird proportions, but in time I'm sure I'll think about my current models the way I think about my old metal marines, or the first, shoddy mk.7 plastics, etc.
^ this...though I still expect to see Freeguild (Empire) make a return.
2017/05/16 19:36:05
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Bull0 wrote: It's more or less the same as the change from Empire -> Stormcast Eternals - "They're elite troops reinforcing your beleaguered armies...!" but really your beleaguered army is being gracefully phased out.
It's OK to be bummed about it, I'm pretty attached to existing marines with their quirky permanent squat and weird proportions, but in time I'm sure I'll think about my current models the way I think about my old metal marines, or the first, shoddy mk.7 plastics, etc.
There's actually been no indication that the Empire models that haven't already been phased out (i.e knights and militia) are going anywhere, so by that comparison the old marines will still be around indefinitely.
And cannons, mortars nearly every named character. Building a good 8th edition empire army is impossible without paying 2-3 times the old retail price for a bunch of stuff on eBay.
Now image WHEN this happens to the marine range. Yes you can still buy a marine army but all the rhino hull based tanks are gone, as are assualt marines and all your characters. But look at these shiney NU-Marines, yes why don't you play these instead, they get a new release every few weeks!
It doesn't matter how many times GW say it won't happen, because they lied to us about the fantasy range. Nobody will believe them, we know it will happen.
Pretty much right on the money. It's just a matter of time before the Astartes go the way of the dodo, replaced by their newer counterparts. I don't think GW is going about this in the right way at all, but expectations weren't exactly high... They want to have a proper reboot to bring in new blood, but they're too scared they'll end up with another Age of Sigmar situation and lose their player base. I guess a half-measure was the best they could come up with to keep the suits happy?
2017/05/16 19:49:15
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Kanluwen wrote: Remember that the gift guide back in December had a new green, tied to Death Guard.
I think it was a Base called "Death Guard Green"? Might be wrong on the name, but it never saw a release.
Yes. It was Deathguard Green according to this PICTURE.
Thanks, Ghaz. I had one of the gift guides but can't find it--otherwise I would have just posted a picture.
2017/05/16 19:55:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
This here is why focusing too much on the fluff can be detrimental to your and the people around you's mental health. I don't give one goddam about who's weapons can kill who or what fat people can run where or whatever bullgak FAAC players keep pulling out to impose OUR reality's rules on a setting where giant daemons can explode out of a guy's head because he thunk too hard.
The models are cool and the rules seem fine. If they perform well on the tabletop('oh but they'll be powercreeped to make you buy them!' GW doesn't know how to play warhammer well enough to do that on purpose.) I could give a fat gak what the background is and I'm better off for it.
You said it bub!
Exactly how I feel about the models and the game. One exalt for you.
* I have to say that NewGW impresses me a lot...
2017/05/16 19:57:11
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
The question arises: will they accept Primaris Marines? They don't get Centurions, and I feel like DA and SW will hate the Primaris Marines ( though I'm not sure about the SW.) Though, if the BA are getting killed off, they may not have much of a choice. The Primaris will look good with a few BA bits; maybe add the Saguinary Death Masks on them, to make them look special. But would they also have P-Marine Death Company? So many questions
Lady Atia Mod Jonathan Campbell • 3 hours ago
Are you sure they aren't getting Centurions, Storm Talons or Cataphractii Terminators with 8th ?
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2017/05/16 20:00:12
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Bull0 wrote: It's more or less the same as the change from Empire -> Stormcast Eternals - "They're elite troops reinforcing your beleaguered armies...!" but really your beleaguered army is being gracefully phased out.
It's OK to be bummed about it, I'm pretty attached to existing marines with their quirky permanent squat and weird proportions, but in time I'm sure I'll think about my current models the way I think about my old metal marines, or the first, shoddy mk.7 plastics, etc.
There's actually been no indication that the Empire models that haven't already been phased out (i.e knights and militia) are going anywhere, so by that comparison the old marines will still be around indefinitely.
And cannons, mortars nearly every named character. Building a good 8th edition empire army is impossible without paying 2-3 times the old retail price for a bunch of stuff on eBay.
Now image WHEN this happens to the marine range. Yes you can still buy a marine army but all the rhino hull based tanks are gone, as are assualt marines and all your characters. But look at these shiney NU-Marines, yes why don't you play these instead, they get a new release every few weeks!
It doesn't matter how many times GW say it won't happen, because they lied to us about the fantasy range. Nobody will believe them, we know it will happen.
I mean, the Empire kits that were phased out were either finecast or metal, or really really old. The Marine range doesn't have the same issues, most of it being plastic (and a lot of the plastics being relatively new still).
2017/05/16 20:03:50
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Leaked Death Guard (starter set?)(All info in OP)
Me too, but I guess this is all we will get to know about this for a while. It looks like FW/BL's meeting for the ending of the HH, Laurie J. Goulding mentioned a few months ago, was an important one
I'm fully on board with retconning some things to allow more primarchs to return. I am one of those with that opinion. They're really cool, and are what drew me to the hobby to begin with.
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