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 streetsamurai wrote:

The thing that bother's me the most is that they release these guys less than a year after DW and thousand sons, hence making them rather obsolete.

I don't think that calling quality, fully functioning and supported factions "obsolete" is a fair assessment.

So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

I was thinking that too, every army getting "chapter tactics" is a fantastic way to encourage fluffy list building


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It is going to be 2:30am for me when this live QA is on, if someone makes a summary, can you please PM me, so I can credit you and add it to the OP.

 Hollow wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

The thing that bother's me the most is that they release these guys less than a year after DW and thousand sons, hence making them rather obsolete.

I don't think that calling quality, fully functioning and supported factions "obsolete" is a fair assessment.

Considering that there is quite a few DW players who said that they feel that their faction is cheapend by the release of Numarines, I would argue it is a fair assesment. It is, IMO a perfect case of perceived obsolescence

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

Warbikers with the <Evil Sunz> keyword could more 13" instead of 12"! I'm pretty sure ork klanz will be a thing in 8th!

 Hollow wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

The thing that bother's me the most is that they release these guys less than a year after DW and thousand sons, hence making them rather obsolete.

I don't think that calling quality, fully functioning and supported factions "obsolete" is a fair assessment.

Well, unless I am mistaken, he was addressing the units/models and not the faction. And if he was, he is right.

It's not the end of the world(or galaxy!), but it does suck for people that invested in those kits.

With that said, I think the TS are the new scale and rubrics are too iconic to be replaced...probably.

Deathwatch will absolutely be nu-marined though, or no new support for a long time.

Deathwatch just need access to some FW stuff and a rules/points adjustment and they will be good to go.

I hope they do them justice in the new edition so I can field them again.

Apologies if this has been mentioned already but during the AOS skirmish live stream, they mentioned that the new 40k would be playable at warhammer fest. This makes the rumours that preorders will be that weekend even more likely.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Hollow wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

The thing that bother's me the most is that they release these guys less than a year after DW and thousand sons, hence making them rather obsolete.

I don't think that calling quality, fully functioning and supported factions "obsolete" is a fair assessment.

Considering that there is quite a few DW players who said that they feel that their faction is cheapend by the release of Numarines, I would argue it is a fair assesment. It is, IMO a perfect case of perceived obsolescence

Obviously every Marine Faction is gonna feel cheapened. But personally I think GW already give the new Deathwatch marine a bigger stature to justify the "New Deatwatch marines are just Primaris Marines". So I feel that of every loyalist marine factions, the Deathwatch is the one that is gonna fell all of this the least.

Probably the basic Deathwatch marines are gonna have 2 wounds, mark my words!

For the perspective specialist in here, how does the current DW adn TS compare to numarines size-wise?

Judging by the pictures released of the Nu-Marines, these guys are way bigger and bulkier than any previous marine release. The DW and the Thousand Sons certainly aren't in scale (they're really only in scale with each other).

 streetsamurai wrote:



For the perspective specialist in here, how does the current DW adn TS compare to numarines size-wise?

Pretty much identical, you can see in some of the preview pics normal marines and the new guys in the same image, and they really don't look out of place.

Looks like they are combining Admech and Skitari. They are now listed as one force on the GW website.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Looks like they are combining Admech and Skitari. They are now listed as one force on the GW website.

Going to https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/ is a good hint to what the forces will be, and it looks like you are right

I love the sound of the rules and that they rebuilt every army for it. Though I have a large number of codexes I do like them for their content and holding on to the rules within would have hampered this edition. Looking forward to seeing a variety of armies on tables, in battle reports and on paint tables!

NuMarines. Models do look amazing and rules don't make them seem to dissimilar to standard marines but overall I am concerned with how much they are doing here.

New edition + new marines + new fluff.
GW - "We are not blowing up the setting". Yeah you went as close to as you could though eh. Could they not at least staggered it... IMHO that's how they did AoS wrong... too much in one go. Could have done the rules first and then the fluff and then the Stormcas... Marines.

The new marines fluff seems (from what we know) dreadful and they are doing the stupid Stormcast naming for each type of guy with a different weapon. "Oh these guys are the dominators, they carry whips". I guess this is the lame IP protection (honestly I am embarrassed to say some of the names (to non gamers i know) they come up with these days. But mostly its the way it cheapens regular marines. Reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons when they introduce a new cool toy to kids by making them "badass+1". It also seems weird that the typically techno-repressive Imperium is ok with it.

Looks like they are combining Admech and Skitari. They are now listed as one force on the GW website.

As they should have been from the get go. Separate books is really just a cash grab for selling more books. New GW seems to be avoiding that.

Zanderchief wrote:

The new marines fluff seems (from what we know) dreadful and they are doing the stupid Stormcast naming for each type of guy with a different weapon. "Oh these guys are the dominators, they carry whips". I guess this is the lame IP protection (honestly I am embarrassed to say some of the names (to non gamers i know) they come up with these days. But mostly its the way it cheapens regular marines. Reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons when they introduce a new cool toy to kids by making them "badass+1". It also seems weird that the typically techno-repressive Imperium is ok with it.

Like devastators, terminators, sternguard, vanguard, ...

 jamopower wrote:

Zanderchief wrote:

The new marines fluff seems (from what we know) dreadful and they are doing the stupid Stormcast naming for each type of guy with a different weapon. "Oh these guys are the dominators, they carry whips". I guess this is the lame IP protection (honestly I am embarrassed to say some of the names (to non gamers i know) they come up with these days. But mostly its the way it cheapens regular marines. Reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons when they introduce a new cool toy to kids by making them "badass+1". It also seems weird that the typically techno-repressive Imperium is ok with it.

Like devastators, terminators, sternguard, vanguard, ...

Not really, all these units had numerous different weapons available to them. The Numarines unit we saw can only take bolter. Might be different for the other units though

 Rippy wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

I was thinking that too, every army getting "chapter tactics" is a fantastic way to encourage fluffy list building

Is it? Or does it result in unfluffy all biker white scar armies? After all if we go from fluff core of white scars are tactical squads(generally in rhinos). Not bike marines.

Next live Q&A is today at 5:30pm UK (9 hours from now)

I just realised, from the few datasheets that we have so far, that they seem to include subfactions in all armies...

The tau sheet had <sept>, the marines' had <chapter>, the discussion of the tervigon had <hive fleet>...

So...



Is that it?

(just saw that it was already mentioned... sorry about the redundancy, but I'm still excited!)

 Rippy wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Looks like they are combining Admech and Skitari. They are now listed as one force on the GW website.

Going to https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/ is a good hint to what the forces will be, and it looks like you are right

They were only ever split to make a fast buck selling you two Codexes.Ridiculous thing that shouldn't have happened. One force is as it should be.


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tneva82 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

I was thinking that too, every army getting "chapter tactics" is a fantastic way to encourage fluffy list building

Is it? Or does it result in unfluffy all biker white scar armies? After all if we go from fluff core of white scars are tactical squads(generally in rhinos). Not bike marines.

And (for likely the millionth time this has been rebuked) a 40K game is but one battlefield of the wide, wide galaxy, and if you choose to collect a force that's largely bikers that is operating on that one field at that one time? That's fine. Stop telling people how they're allowed to collect and have fun. It's no weirder than half the Dark Angels first company appearing at every battle, or the 'new, rare' Riptide being there in every force... times 3.

I don't collect White Scars, it's just annoying to see them get beaten with the Fluffy Stick so often. They specialise in bikes, people like that and want to collect that? That's cool.

tneva82 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So, something I have noticed in the couple statlines we've seen so far is <something>

Either Sept, chapter tactics, or hive fleet. I am wondering if this is a thematic army bonus ala the current chapter tactics system for every army.

Could grant the sexy thematic bonuses we all love so much to allow for more viability of different army lists.

I was thinking that too, every army getting "chapter tactics" is a fantastic way to encourage fluffy list building

Is it? Or does it result in unfluffy all biker white scar armies? After all if we go from fluff core of white scars are tactical squads(generally in rhinos). Not bike marines.

Well White Skars are known for their bikes, though that just means that bikes needed toning down, not that it didn't allow for fluffy rules.

Is it? Or does it result in unfluffy all biker white scar armies? After all if we go from fluff core of white scars are tactical squads(generally in rhinos). Not bike marines.

Well it is carrot rather than stick init? They won't stop people taking all bike armies but as you need some troops to fill out a battalion and get those tasty command points you will be encouraged to take tactical squads in rhino transports.

So what are we guessing today's post on vehicles will be about? Will it be flyers? Transports? Maybe something which will affect their facing? Something else?

Eyjio wrote:
So what are we guessing today's post on vehicles will be about? Will it be flyers? Transports? Maybe something which will affect their facing? Something else?

Knights supposedly.

It'll be about lasguns and Lan...


I'll get my coat.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
So what are we guessing today's post on vehicles will be about? Will it be flyers? Transports? Maybe something which will affect their facing? Something else?

Knights supposedly.

Knights are the next faction focus. I would guess today would be about vehicles movement, facings and such.

People are assuming theres going to be fscings still? Knights might have to choose a direction for their shield, but there wont be traditional facings.

Edit: they can fix all biker armies by not letting bikes be troops.

I would expect transport rules get a mention.

And yeah no facings. GW decided to say screw to logic.