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 warboss wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
It feels like armies won't be able to just bring light-arms or Str 6 shooting. Heavy weaponry will be a must in 8th ed. I suspect, though, that close combat will be particularly deadly and be an effective way to take down heavies - d3 and d6 wounds per attack could be deadly. A simple powerfist does d3 wounds.

"could" be deadly is the key for me and I'm talking about the dedicated anti-armor weapons and not the chip-chip-chip-away hull point str 6 spam of this generation. It feels too swingy. Your lascannon only is a real anti-armor weapon on a damage roll of a 6 versus alot of tough vehicles... otherwise it's not too much better than the autocannon. I don't mind close combat with some weapons being a viable option but I'm worried it'll be the only viable option given some of the calculations in this thread. Having a Str 8 -3 save powerfist that gets d3 on every attack sure does knock the pants off of a lascannon in terms of chances to kill. It's the idea of an entire squad of lascannons in a dev squad or heavy weapons team not being able to reliably kill a single medium armor vehicle that worries me let alone the real heavies and superheavies. YMMV.

I'm not sure if that is the only tool in your tool box tho. We already know pyschic powers have the ability to inflict moral wounds. The fact combi weapons are no longer one shot is also a big deal since it means tac squads can carry two melta-guns. We also now have multi-melta's that can fire on the move and only suffer -1 to hit instead of +6 snap fire.

The flip side of this, is that you can no longer drop pod in the back of a super-heavy with the melta suicide vet squad to kill it in the 1st turn. Vechiles in general seem to have gotten tougher, but now more things can hurt them reliably.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

Ooh! Spartan Assault tank?

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

Wouldn't be the first time a Forge World resin model showed up in plastic.

True that, but they can always be used in 40k anyways, usually as Chapter Relics.

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

Ooh! Spartan Assault tank?

I'd back that. Or maybe they'll make a new tank that's a hybrid of the Spartan and the Land Raider in the spirit of the Mark X power armor. One with a nice trademark friendly name.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
True that, but they can always be used in 40k anyways, usually as Chapter Relics.

Which is why I asked if there are any 'Horus Heresy only' models...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

My $$$ is on Mortarion.

 Ghaz wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

Wouldn't be the first time a Forge World resin model showed up in plastic.

True, but they said "existing model" and "never before playable in 40k". All the HH stuff was loosely playable with 40k, even if it was heavilly suggested not to (for example, as a way to show early run ins with Eldar, Orks or Dark Eldar during the Great Crusade) so that might violate the latter half, but existing model definitely kills the first. I'd be looking at stuff like the Glotkin to make a porting over rather than exoecting a resin model to be making the jump.

Some of the Chaos stuff fits both games rather nicely and could be an expansion on our current Cultist choice for example.


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 oni wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

My $$$ is on Mortarion.

Not likely. We'll probably see him in the next campaign if anything.


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Just a thought...but isn't it possible that the scythe we saw in the leaks was for Typhon, or another of Mortarion's bodyguards? I mean putting unique characters into a starter box wouldn't be a first for them.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

changemod wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

Chaos is a given, so my money is on some of the Tzeentch Arcanite stuff - Gaunt Summoner and/or Ogroid Thaumaturge would both work fine alongside Tzeentch Daemons and Thousand Sons.

Actually that's probably it. The Tzaangors are in both games, so it was honestly weird the elite Tzaangors didn't get 40k rules.

Chaos Warhounds.

And I don't mean the Titan.

They were in the 3.5 codex, so fail at the "not able to play in 40K before" part of the sentence.

To be fair, that wasn't as a unit.
Chaos Hounds were a wargear option for Chaos Lords.

As far as I'm seeing, they were never a unit of their own option.
Chaos had Furies(Harpies), Flesh Hounds, and Screamers as a Fast Attack option--but no Hounds.

I mean, that doesn't automatically mean it's what has to be the case...but fleshy mutant warbeasts are something we've had crop up rather often in Chaos related lore, at least for Undivided.

Given the GW picture floating around at the beginning of the year showing Tzaangor and Thousand Sons and the caption "One army, Two Games", I'm leaning the various disc riding Tzaangor.

Yeah, but that also included Daemons of Tzeentch and the Lord of Change too--but not the disc riding ones as far as I remember.

re: model, maybe a plastic Thunderhawk? /whistful thinking while we're at it.

Considering they said "existing model" I am personally rejecting any notions of resin anything being ported over.

For all we know the Stormcast are the ones in question who,ll get to jump dimensions and fight for the God-Emperor.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they said "existing model" I am personally rejecting any notions of resin anything being ported over.

For all we know the Stormcast are the ones in question who,ll get to jump dimensions and fight for the God-Emperor.

Had a thought just now...
Maybe it's the Bonesplitters?

Savage Orks have been a thing for a long while in 40k, but never really been represented with models...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they said "existing model" I am personally rejecting any notions of resin anything being ported over.

For all we know the Stormcast are the ones in question who,ll get to jump dimensions and fight for the God-Emperor.

Had a thought just now...
Maybe it's the Bonesplitters?

Savage Orks have been a thing for a long while in 40k, but never really been represented with models...

I would krump some heads for Feral Orks in 40k getting support.

Actually I just remembered that Imperial Glory is a nice novel involving some Feral Orks and their technology frying totem.

Also a veteran Imperial Guard regiment with enough PTSD issues to be the example of what too much combat does to people.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they said "existing model" I am personally rejecting any notions of resin anything being ported over.

For all we know the Stormcast are the ones in question who,ll get to jump dimensions and fight for the God-Emperor.

Had a thought just now...
Maybe it's the Bonesplitters?

Savage Orks have been a thing for a long while in 40k, but never really been represented with models...

I would krump some heads for Feral Orks in 40k getting support.

Snakebites would be an awesome surprise

There are quite a bit of FW's Horus Heresy models that are not currently usable in 40K; most of the Mechanicum stuff and Custodes' gravtanks for example.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they said "existing model" I am personally rejecting any notions of resin anything being ported over.

For all we know the Stormcast are the ones in question who,ll get to jump dimensions and fight for the God-Emperor.

Had a thought just now...
Maybe it's the Bonesplitters?

Savage Orks have been a thing for a long while in 40k, but never really been represented with models...

I would krump some heads for Feral Orks in 40k getting support.

Snakebites would be an awesome surprise

Hm...they person eho brought this up did mention Orks were being discussed too. I hope these things are linked and not coincidence.

I mean I can see a lot of room for Chaos to bring stuff over to make a Chaos Cultist subfaction but this is more important to me. Feral zorks are always a project that I wanted to do but never let myself commit to for some reason.

Yeah they just came out with new Custodes stuff, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just got 40k rules considering they seem to be a big deal in the Crusade right now.

Requizen wrote:
Yeah they just came out with new Custodes stuff, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just got 40k rules considering they seem to be a big deal in the Crusade right now.

GW said FW is handling all the FW models so I don't know if we can really count on anything there at the moment.

 BrookM wrote:
re: model, maybe a plastic Thunderhawk? /whistful thinking while we're at it.

That ship sailed since FW just released a newer version of the TH.

Its soo likely to be something for Marines sadly.

 Grinshanks wrote:
Now that PowerFists are no longer any good for anti armour (D3 reeeeeeeally won't cut it), is it all but guaranteed Orks will have nothing to effectively deal with vehicles?

I suggest waiting until all the rules are released before QQing.

Remember, all of your boys get a chance to wound targets like annihilation barges. Some quick 'back of the napkin' mathhammer shows that a squad of 12 boys in a truuk assaulting a barge will do ~6 wounds to it.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
re: model, maybe a plastic Thunderhawk? /whistful thinking while we're at it.

That ship sailed since FW just released a newer version of the TH.

Did anyone tell FW that Games Workshop released a version of Magnus?
Or GW that FW had a Guilliman model out first?

 oni wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Warhammer TV just leaked something:
Next week we will get a model which we have not been able to play in 40k before but it isn't a new model.

AoS models in 40k?

So does Forge World have any 'Horus Heresy only' models which would make sense to be brought into 40k for the Primaris Space Marines?

I doubt it'll be a resin model.

My $$$ is on Mortarion.

Ding mortarion was an epic model


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 Crimson wrote:
There are quite a bit of FW's Horus Heresy models that are not currently usable in 40K; most of the Mechanicum stuff and Custodes' gravtanks for example.

FW does have a. NEw IA book they have already worked on and delayed for I believe 8th.

The disk riding tzanngors are probably the best bet. They said existing model. So it can't be plastic FW or mortarian because that would be a new model.

ClockworkZion wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah they just came out with new Custodes stuff, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just got 40k rules considering they seem to be a big deal in the Crusade right now.

GW said FW is handling all the FW models so I don't know if we can really count on anything there at the moment.

40k custodes and sisters of silence are a little lackluster though. Right now, they have what 2 actual kits? Porting some 30k Custodes stuff wouldn't hurt much. Of course the real problem is more about custodes either needing more infantry model kits or needing to be rolled into some other codex.

labmouse42 wrote:

 Grinshanks wrote:
Now that PowerFists are no longer any good for anti armour (D3 reeeeeeeally won't cut it), is it all but guaranteed Orks will have nothing to effectively deal with vehicles?

I suggest waiting until all the rules are released before QQing.

Remember, all of your boys get a chance to wound targets like annihilation barges. Some quick 'back of the napkin' mathhammer shows that a squad of 12 boys in a truuk assaulting a barge will do ~6 wounds to it.

the changes to power fists make a lot of units a lot better though. I'm excited to run power fists on all of my squad champions in 8ed. Also, this makes chaos termicide units a thing again.

Guaranteed first strike with powerfists will be pretty interesting, especially alongside owner allocating wounds within a unit.

Questor Imperialis GW make me laugh everyday

They were already called that in FW's HH books though.