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hmm, I have the old metal Plague marines, having these new ones upscaled is awesome to me. It will make a good differentiation between Plagues and Marked CSM,. I dunno, maybe my OCD is simpler to manage.

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

@DCannon4Life:

If you can answer sir, how are wounds allocated from different weapons (maximum damage, or minimum damage) i.e.

LasCannon and Lasgun hit and wound a 2 man squad Primaris Team (fails save), does damage go in favor of shooter:

• Lascannon does 3 damage, (killing 1 marine) then lasgun does 1 damage (wounding the other) = 1 dead & 1 wounded Marine

Or does it go in Favor of the defender:

• Lasgun does 1 damage, (Primaris is wounded) then Lascannon does 3 damage( finishes off wounded Primaris) = 1 dead Marine

Mchaagen, Victor VonTzeentch, thanks for the replies. I guess I will pre- order them. Maybe I'll actually get them by the end of June. Shipping from England takes 3-5 weeks usually. Why I was hoping they would be available in stores.

 buddha wrote:
In fairness, the current leviathan cost about as much as a knight and given we know both 8th profiles isn't as powerful.

My big question is how forgeworld units will be able to slot into the new command system. The independent detachments and formations of 7th made including FW units impossible which I hope has changed.

It has the <LEGION> keywords so it's simple enough to apply those and place them into a regular army without too much trouble. Just give it <THOUSAND SONS> and you're rocking it along side Rubrics as troops.

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

@DCannon4Life:

If you can answer sir, how are wounds allocated from different weapons (maximum damage, or minimum damage) i.e.

LasCannon and Lasgun hit and wound a 2 man squad Primaris Team (fails save), does damage go in favor of shooter:

• Lascannon does 3 damage, (killing 1 marine) then lasgun does 1 damage (wounding the other) = 1 dead & 1 wounded Marine

Or does it go in Favor of the defender:

• Lasgun does 1 damage, (Primaris is wounded) then Lascannon does 3 damage( finishes off wounded Primaris) = 1 dead Marine

That's an interesting question indeed. This method of wound allocation is more in line with 5th Edition (defender allocates wounds as they please) but I wouldn't be surprised if in this one, given that they constantly emphasise how brutal, blood, and high-body count these games will be, I'd expect it to go the attackers way. The easiest way to rule this might be that all multi-damage weapons go first, inflicting as many wounds as possible until either there is no more Damage to inflict or the target is dead, and then single Damage weapons go second.

Requizen wrote:

Nvs wrote:
So with a Death Guard datasheet, can we expect to see Thousand Sons, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights?

If you go every other day until the 17th, there are 12 more days for Faction Focus articles.

GSC, BA, DA, Sisters, Agents of the Imperium, Orks, Necrons, Ynnari, Harlequins, Chaos Knights, Grey Knights, Space Marines. Not necessarily in that order, but that's 12 articles leading right up to release.

What about Skitarii/.Ad Mech!! Those are really who I'm waiting for.

I used to play Imperial Guard but they always died too easily for me. Skitarii I think are the perfect balance of survivability/ hitting hard and cheap enough so you can take a good sized amount of them. And I love the fluff!

So, the Hell-forged Leviathan Dreadnought they just shared with us...
It gives some weapon choices,
I cant see why you wouldn't always replace your Claws with the Drills?
Unless they is going to be a point variation, but i would have assumed they would be on this data sheet, or am i missing something?

I have no problem with the scale creep. I still run my Chaos Warriors alongside my Bloodboun Bloodwarriors and my metal Bloodthirster looks like a Daemon Prince at the side of my new Bloodthirster.

I like the Plague Marines to be bigger as a elite unit should be. They aren't just normal Chaos Marines but... putrid. IMO, YMMV, etc...

 nintura wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Wow that Leviathan... when your weakest weapon is a melta gun, that's just scary. can't wait to see what my Salamanders Leviathan looks like.

Should be interesting , however i wouldnt hold my breath on Sally Levs getting better. The Leviathan was immune to chapter tactics in 7th so i wouldnt be suprised if they dont get Salamander buffs this time around. Guess we will wait to see.

I run one in my Salamander army as well.. however it struggled to make up his points. Yea he was a beast in combat but getting him in combat with something juicy was always a struggle. Anyone running a Knight kept its distance.

To make the Leviathan effective he needed a Pod and sometimes it was good to add the IstvannIV trait to prevent scatter. This was around 400 pts. I always felt either 2 Ironclads were better for the points or a Imperial Knight was better with its 12" movement.

He however like you said never ever died in a single game i played him in, he also dominated whatever portion of the table he was in. He was more fun and fluffy then competitive.

Well, I generally meant my Leviathan in my Salamanders army. I just referred to it as my Sally Lev. Mine has done nothing but wreck stuff. Blew up that AV 15 structure building with D-cannon thing. Killed a Baneblade. Knights, everything. But then I do use a pod, the Lucius Pattern pod. He's never been killed and that pod is worth every point.

Yea the Lucius is required to run the Leviathan... never left home without it. I really never had games with players running big things other than IKs. no Biggies like BaneBlades. lol. He would get in combat with an IK and wreck face but generally guys knew that and got as far away from it as possible.

Dont get me wrong.. i loved the Leviathan alot i just wish he was a tad faster. however with no scatter Pods.. i think he gets alot better.

Gak Attack wrote:

Requizen wrote:

Nvs wrote:
So with a Death Guard datasheet, can we expect to see Thousand Sons, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights?

If you go every other day until the 17th, there are 12 more days for Faction Focus articles.

GSC, BA, DA, Sisters, Agents of the Imperium, Orks, Necrons, Ynnari, Harlequins, Chaos Knights, Grey Knights, Space Marines. Not necessarily in that order, but that's 12 articles leading right up to release.

What about Skitarii/.Ad Mech!! Those are really who I'm waiting for.

I used to play Imperial Guard but they always died too easily for me. Skitarii I think are the perfect balance of survivability/ hitting hard and cheap enough so you can take a good sized amount of them. And I love the fluff!

There's actually 13. As Gak points out, you missed Skitarii and AdMech, and Sisters are already part of the Agents of the Imperium so won't get a unique faction focus. Its possible that DA, BA, SW, GK, DW and LotD will just get rolled into a super-big faction focus article just before release.

 SirDalavar wrote:
So, the Hell-forged Leviathan Dreadnought they just shared with us...
It gives some weapon choices,
I cant see why you wouldn't always replace your Claws with the Drills?
Unless they is going to be a point variation, but i would have assumed they would be on this data sheet, or am i missing something?

Points are not on data sheets. They will be collected elsewhere for yearly updates. It will certainly cost more to upgrade to drills.

I just got off the rep to do preorders and want #s for my gaming store. Huge order.. Will total over 3k lol. Brutal.


Death to the False Emperor: Each roll of 6 to hit = make an additional attack in melee.


Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

Bull. Why they would install expensive armour if it means nothing? Nevermind that abrams can't be sure of taking out another abrams.

This question is going to need to be answered as Primaris/Terminators will be common. And I play Greyknights. So, all of my melee attacks do 1d3 damage each. So, if I hit a primaris squad with 4 attacks from my force weapons and they fail four armor saves. I then do four 1d3 damage hits across the unit. Assuming you remove wounded models and the defender gets to allocated the wounds. Then 1,2,1,2 is far better then 1,1,2,2. I had already asked this one on the Facebook page a few articles back and got a lot of response, just none of them from Warhammer40000.

 docdoom77 wrote:

 SirDalavar wrote:
So, the Hell-forged Leviathan Dreadnought they just shared with us...
It gives some weapon choices,
I cant see why you wouldn't always replace your Claws with the Drills?
Unless they is going to be a point variation, but i would have assumed they would be on this data sheet, or am i missing something?

Points are not on data sheets. They will be collected elsewhere for yearly updates. It will certainly cost more to upgrade to drills.

yea .. they cost a melta bomb in 7th

 Brometheus wrote:


Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

Oh shiiii...

Where are you getting this info?

Urgh, the Dread unit is just daft. Compare that to a 10 man unit of Rubric marines and think which one you'd rather take. The Grav-flux bombard might as well be called the "hope you didn't bring a big model" gun as it does 10 damage a turn, and the soulburner thing is just straight up averaging over 3 wounds to whatever you want every turn. It's not like you can charge it either; not unless you enjoy S16 AP-4 4 damage attacks anyway. I hope it'll be balanced overall, but man, that's a crazy alpha strike unit.

 Deadshot wrote:
you missed Skitarii and AdMech, and Sisters are already part of the Agents of the Imperium so won't get a unique faction focus. Its possible that DA, BA, SW, GK, DW and LotD will just get rolled into a super-big faction focus article just before release.

They said on Facebook that BA/DA/SW would get rolled into a single 'Space Marine faction focus', but implied Deathwatch would be separate. Skitarii and AdMech will be rolled into a single faction article.

 Brometheus wrote:
I just got off the rep to do preorders and want #s for my gaming store. Huge order.. Will total over 3k lol. Brutal.


Death to the False Emperor: Each roll of 6 to hit = make an additional attack in melee.


Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

My butcherhorde is happy to hear this.

It's from the rep. He wouldn't lie. He had the rules in his lap.

tneva82 wrote:

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

Bull. Why they would install expensive armour if it means nothing? Nevermind that abrams can't be sure of taking out another abrams.

Government deals with defense contractors. also for non dedicated anti tank rounds probably. also probably getting ot.

 Brometheus wrote:
Death to the False Emperor: Each roll of 6 to hit = make an additional attack in melee.

That's a really good rule. Not enough to worry about happening regularly but every now and then you'll get lucky and get a ton of dice to roll.

I just got off the rep to do preorders and want #s for my gaming store. Huge order.. Will total over 3k lol. Brutal.

That is brutal! Just be assured it's going to sell very well though. Still, pretty brutal, but not as brutal as...

Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

Ho-ly, gak. Combined with DttFE, that's going to pulverise most units. The faction focus wasn't kidding when he said they might be the best CC unit in the game.

To be fair, A TOW missile is a 140mm wire guided rocket that is designed to 20 meters before it's target go into the air and slam into the top of a vehicle. Not many vehicles in the world are designed to survive that type of firepower. (prior 11M)

 xttz wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
you missed Skitarii and AdMech, and Sisters are already part of the Agents of the Imperium so won't get a unique faction focus. Its possible that DA, BA, SW, GK, DW and LotD will just get rolled into a super-big faction focus article just before release.

They said on Facebook that BA/DA/SW would get rolled into a single 'Space Marine faction focus', but implied Deathwatch would be separate. Skitarii and AdMech will be rolled into a single faction article.

DW have many more individual rules than the others and have a unique, formation based system in 7th, so understandable. Still, surprised that Skitarii and AdMech are getting one together seeing as they were previously seperate and diliberately seperate.

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That sir is 100 percent not true. You may want to do some research. There have been quite a few cases of Abrams surviving Sabot rounds from T-72s to the front and continuing the mission. In a couple cases they took repeated hits.

That being said I believe for 40k, the system they have described for 8th will be fine.

@ TNEVA82

Bull that I was an Anti-Tank soldier?, Bull that I have live fired actual rounds at actual Tanks?, Bull that Armor means NOTHING when dealing with DEDICATED Anti-Tank rounds?
The reactive armor that your predicating your Abrams statement on primarily deals with HEAT rounds and not SABOT rounds. HEAT is primarily for Bunkers/buildings /light vehicles, were as SABOT is specifically designed for AT.

We get that you don’t like it but your real world argument in the majority of situations is not based on fact. (and for the record I kinda liked Armor facing values, but a true application is unsubstantiated)

My one hope is that IG (or AM) can have a dedicated HtoH unit to combat what in my opinion is going to be a brutal melee based edition.

Justyn wrote:


That sir is 100 percent not true. You may want to do some research. There have been quite a few cases of Abrams surviving Sabot rounds from T-72s to the front and continuing the mission. In a couple cases they took repeated hits.

That being said I believe for 40k, the system they have described for 8th will be fine.

They rolled a 1 on armor pen. (Oblique angles matter)

Nothing in 40k is representative of the way the TOW fires. Though, you would think in a sci-fi universe weapons that can be fired at a unit that then track to the top or side of a unit would be common.

So, this change effectively does that in that it always hits the weakest point on the vehicle.

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

@DCannon4Life:

If you can answer sir, how are wounds allocated from different weapons (maximum damage, or minimum damage) i.e.

LasCannon and Lasgun hit and wound a 2 man squad Primaris Team (fails save), does damage go in favor of shooter:

• Lascannon does 3 damage, (killing 1 marine) then lasgun does 1 damage (wounding the other) = 1 dead & 1 wounded Marine

Or does it go in Favor of the defender:

• Lasgun does 1 damage, (Primaris is wounded) then Lascannon does 3 damage( finishes off wounded Primaris) = 1 dead Marine

Real tanks don't have ridiculous variation. A Leman Russ is as armored as the side of a titan at the front but can be punched to death from the rear.