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 NivlacSupreme wrote:

Real tanks don't have ridiculous variation.

Nor do 40K tanks any more. Problem solved.

 Crimson wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

Real tanks don't have ridiculous variation.

Nor do 40K tanks any more. Problem solved.

Neither did they in an Edition, the Rear Armour 10 represented vulnerable parts, such as vision and firing slits and popping grenades into the hatch on the turret. The only time they ACTUALLY punched a tank to death is the Power Fist, which is a gigantic fist covered in a forcefield that can literally punch through the tank.

Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

I think they may have decided the way to balance everything was to make everything overpowered.

Currently I'm still iffy on 8th because everything has super AWESOME!!!! rules. Emphasis by GW.

Justyn wrote:

Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

I think they may have decided the way to balance everything was to make everything overpowered.

Currently I'm still iffy on 8th because everything has super AWESOME!!!! rules. Emphasis by GW.

I feel like they took things that were clearly overpowered and brought them down, then took everything else and brought it up. They've set a new level for the playing field, and it is covered in blood.

 Deadshot wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
you missed Skitarii and AdMech, and Sisters are already part of the Agents of the Imperium so won't get a unique faction focus. Its possible that DA, BA, SW, GK, DW and LotD will just get rolled into a super-big faction focus article just before release.

They said on Facebook that BA/DA/SW would get rolled into a single 'Space Marine faction focus', but implied Deathwatch would be separate. Skitarii and AdMech will be rolled into a single faction article.

DW have many more individual rules than the others and have a unique, formation based system in 7th, so understandable. Still, surprised that Skitarii and AdMech are getting one together seeing as they were previously seperate and diliberately seperate.

Haha what? Splitting the admech into skitarii and cult felt like a super forced way to sell more books when they should obviously have been in the same codex.

 Desubot wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

Bull. Why they would install expensive armour if it means nothing? Nevermind that abrams can't be sure of taking out another abrams.

Government deals with defense contractors. also for non dedicated anti tank rounds probably. also probably getting ot.

So abrams doesn't bother carrying dedicated at ammo?

 docdoom77 wrote:
Ya know, since there is no Statistic cap anymore, this thing fights in combat at S16!

2+ to wound vs anything T8 or less.

I can't wait for the Stompa's mega-choppa at s20. Ridiculous, but just fun to say.

Youn wrote:
To be fair, A TOW missile is a 140mm wire guided rocket that is designed to 20 meters before it's target go into the air and slam into the top of a vehicle. Not many vehicles in the world are designed to survive that type of firepower. (prior 11M)

And see? Top. Not front. Why is that since hitting top is tad harder...

Stop the tank discussion. Please.

Warhams-77 wrote:
SM Lieutenants had rules and models throughout 1st Edition and functioned basically as 1st officiers to the Commander They were independent characters with minor hero stats (champions, minor heroes and major heroes stat categories were used for most 40k factions). I am happy they are going to bring them back too.

Another great idea from the Rogue Trader era resurrected.

I will admit that the Lieutenant model with the bolt rifle is a little plain looking, but it's still a nice model for sure. Perhaps I can add some bling to it. It's great that they're releasing enough to make an all primaris army. I can't wait to see potential future tanks.

Justyn wrote:

Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

I think they may have decided the way to balance everything was to make everything overpowered.

Currently I'm still iffy on 8th because everything has super AWESOME!!!! rules. Emphasis by GW.

I think you are right. Making everything overpowered seems to have been a deliberate design decision, since they keep bragging about how quickly we will be removing models from the table, as if that's a great thing.

I'm sure there will still be terrible imbalance with some units never being taken because they just aren't as good as others.,

So does anyone think it'll be just the starter set and books that go on pre-order, or will they have other Death Guard/Primaris kits too?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Khorne Berserkers pile in twice and fight twice each Fight Phase.

I think they may have decided the way to balance everything was to make everything overpowered.

Currently I'm still iffy on 8th because everything has super AWESOME!!!! rules. Emphasis by GW.

I think you are right. Making everything overpowered seems to have been a deliberate design decision, since they keep bragging about how quickly we will be removing models from the table, as if that's a great thing.

I'm sure there will still be terrible imbalance with some units never being taken because they just aren't as good as others.,

There is always gonna be balance problems, and in the most competitive enviroments the only most powerfull things are gonna be spammed. The difference is if the powerlevel of the most OP thing is 5% more powerfull that the second, and 10% more powerfull than the least powerfull one, or if they are just 300% more powerfull.
Balance is not an all or nothing thing.
If I can field the army I like, even if I'm choosing some things that aren't the most powerfull ones, I prefer to be at the least disadvantage posible.

In the "Battles are gonna end with everyone killed"; I have no problems. TO me those are the most funny battles. I don't bring 80 models to the table to end the battle with 60 models.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:


I think you are right. Making everything overpowered seems to have been a deliberate design decision, since they keep bragging about how quickly we will be removing models from the table, as if that's a great thing.

I'm sure there will still be terrible imbalance with some units never being taken because they just aren't as good as others.,

Which is why I'm excited about them relaunching all the unit rules on datasheets. Now they can update/tweak units up and down as needed rather than waiting for the 4-5 year codex cycle some books were suffering from.

tneva82 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 RegulusBlack wrote:

Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)

For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.

That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.

Bull. Why they would install expensive armour if it means nothing? Nevermind that abrams can't be sure of taking out another abrams.

Government deals with defense contractors. also for non dedicated anti tank rounds probably. also probably getting ot.

So abrams doesn't bother carrying dedicated at ammo?

The last time we carried dediated AT ammo, it ended up going through the enemy tanks and hitting villages. We no longer use DU rounds.

So... I'm not going to be playing 8th.

Stupid friends changing their stupid minds...

Local stores are putting up Demo Days on June 4, will have all books in store for playtesting and, presumably, hype.

Make sure you ask your local GW or FLGS!

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So... I'm not going to be playing 8th.

Stupid friends changing their stupid minds...

Make new friends!

I think you are right. Making everything overpowered seems to have been a deliberate design decision, since they keep bragging about how quickly we will be removing models from the table, as if that's a great thing.

I'm sure there will still be terrible imbalance with some units never being taken because they just aren't as good as others.,

I was at first pretty pumped about this edition. Now I'm thinking I'll probably be disappointed if I play. In a game where I spend a ton of time converting and painting models, I don't want to remove half of them turn one. And everything is super mega killy now. Well except basic marines, they suck because we need to sell even better plus one marines even to people who already own 300 marines.

I'm kinda wondering Chapters will be on the decal sheet for the Primaris Marines. I'm really hoping it isn't just Ultramarines...

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So... I'm not going to be playing 8th.

Stupid friends changing their stupid minds...

Get new friends.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So... I'm not going to be playing 8th.

Stupid friends changing their stupid minds...

why would they not want to.

also make new friends or get it anyway if its something YOU want.

Justyn wrote:

I was at first pretty pumped about this edition. Now I'm thinking I'll probably be disappointed if I play. In a game where I spend a ton of time converting and painting models, I don't want to remove half of them turn one. And everything is super mega killy now. Well except basic marines, they suck because we need to sell even better plus one marines even to people who already own 300 marines.

The last thing I do is admire models while i'm playing. I get that out of the way when they're on their display boards and I can appreciate them fully.

Exaggerating about the state of the game gets us nowhere as well.

FW datasheet the only update for today?
No faction focus?

From Facebook:

[REDACTED] wrote:
Any chance the FW books or datasheets will be available digitally?

WARHAMMER 40,000 wrote:
We are looking to make that happen, but no word right now.

[REDACTED] wrote:
Is there any chance of a AOS type warscrolls being available for free? Having recently bought IA:V2 that isn't a cheap book to replace for only 3 models that I own. It really hurts for those of us across the pond.

FORGE WORLD wrote:
Hey [redacted] - as you say, we are looking into whether we can make digital versions of this.More news when we get it.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So... I'm not going to be playing 8th.

Stupid friends changing their stupid minds...

Aw man, that sucks.

Maybe they'll change their minds again? I'm sure 8th edition will be around long enough to get involved in. And hey, you can always make new friends.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

I was at first pretty pumped about this edition. Now I'm thinking I'll probably be disappointed if I play. In a game where I spend a ton of time converting and painting models, I don't want to remove half of them turn one. And everything is super mega killy now. Well except basic marines, they suck because we need to sell even better plus one marines even to people who already own 300 marines.

The last thing I do is admire models while i'm playing. I get that out of the way when they're on their display boards and I can appreciate them fully.

Exaggerating about the state of the game gets us nowhere as well.

just means that you get to play another game?

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


The army IS changing. If this is a rescale, which is most certainly is, then in 2 years I will not be able to purchase current batch marines because GW will have phased them out into Primaris as the new standard. Which means my army is then obselete. There is no "leave it as is" or "phase them out" as my army is no longer my army, its a bunch of OOP models.

*Looks at my Rogue Trader/2E armies*

Yeah...you know I'm pretty sure you can still play with them...

That's an apples to oranges comparison. Your RT are *EXACTLY* the same as 2nd edition monopose, 2nd-7th edition metals and finecasts, and 3rd-7th edition plastics in the fluff and the rules. The fact that visually they're gangly little guys with funny looking weapons has no bearing on the tabletop or the progression of the 40k story. Adeptus Restartes are simply better in rules and fluff and will receive likely tons more and everntually exclusive support from this point on both in terms of digital and physical after existing marines get their initial rules. If you don't believe me, ask any Bretonnian or Empire player how they're loving the tons of post initial launch rules and models they've gotten alongside the new AOSified factions under the Order banner.

I'm curious to see if going forward the major tournies will allow Adeptus Secondus to sub in for Asdeptus Restartes (if appropriately based). It's pretty much a given that GW won't in any of their official events.

Justyn wrote:

I think you are right. Making everything overpowered seems to have been a deliberate design decision, since they keep bragging about how quickly we will be removing models from the table, as if that's a great thing.

I'm sure there will still be terrible imbalance with some units never being taken because they just aren't as good as others.,

I was at first pretty pumped about this edition. Now I'm thinking I'll probably be disappointed if I play. In a game where I spend a ton of time converting and painting models, I don't want to remove half of them turn one. And everything is super mega killy now. Well except basic marines, they suck because we need to sell even better plus one marines even to people who already own 300 marines.

Just because something is pretty and stuff doesn't mean it shouldn't die. Things moving quickly is much more exciting, I'll be happy for games that come down to a few models rather than an unkillable deathstar or piddly slapping matches because the old AP and Morale systems were garbage.

Quicker games = more games. Quicker games = more time to look at display boards at events.

How big are the new plague marines compared to DV Chosen? These were already little out of scale compared to regular marines.