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2017/05/24 21:50:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
GoatboyBeta wrote: If only the internet had been around when GW replaced the RTB01 box with mk7, or when Marines got there T3 upgraded to T4
It WAS.
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2017/05/24 21:53:09
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
ClockworkZion wrote: Went back to yesterday's Faction Focus Death Guard Article to start with since it seemed like they'd taken off for a tea break. So we'll pick up from there before today's FW one:
Spoiler:
Forge World Datasheet Teaser Q: Hey Warhammer 40,000. Can you just verify that str is not capped at 10, meaning this bad boy will be hitting at str 16.
A: Have a looks at this article where it says "With the stats going above 10, the system is now an increasing scale,".... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/
Q: Any news from Forge world about Dark Mechanicum being bought into 40k as this mysterious new faction? Come on GW hype team I need to know.
A: No news on these guys right now, but if any surfaces,we will let you know on the Forge World page.
Q: Hot damn, nice big dredd... My question is this for you gw, when the new Dex's come out will they have both the forge world beasties and gw beasties in them for my nids? Also a massive thanks for being an awesome company!
A: The standard codex books are unlikely to cover Forge World models as they are not part of the Citadel range.
Q: So any hints you can give regarding whether warhound, reaver and warlord titans will be in the new indexes? I've got a titan maniple I'd rather not leave sitting on the shelf.
A: No word yet; as soon as we know, we will divulge all here!
Q: Will there be a faction focus on Eldar Corsairs? I know what most of my armies are going to be like in 8th now, but Corsairs are my favourite.
A: Not specifically on Corsairs - that would be super-specific. But they will be getting covered with rules in the new edition.
Q: Any chance the FW books or datasheets will be available digitally?
A: We are looking to make that happen, but no word right now
Q: QUESTION! Since we were told that characteristics such as Strength, Wounds etc, don't cap out at 10 anymore... does that mean that a Leviathan gets S16 on his siege Claws??????
A: Sounds like it! 8 x 2 is 16 after all!
Q: So are the new IA index books going to be sold through Forge World or are they going to be a standard GW product? Not a huge deal but it does take some consideration for those of us outside the UK.
A: Have a read of the article below; the books from Forge World will be being sold by Forge World. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/
You might want to check the Forge World Facebook page. I know there were a few comments there as well.
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2017/05/24 21:56:35
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/starter set/DG focus in OP
ClockworkZion wrote: Went back to yesterday's Faction Focus Death Guard Article to start with since it seemed like they'd taken off for a tea break. So we'll pick up from there before today's FW one:
Spoiler:
Forge World Datasheet Teaser Q: Hey Warhammer 40,000. Can you just verify that str is not capped at 10, meaning this bad boy will be hitting at str 16.
A: Have a looks at this article where it says "With the stats going above 10, the system is now an increasing scale,".... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/
Q: Any news from Forge world about Dark Mechanicum being bought into 40k as this mysterious new faction? Come on GW hype team I need to know.
A: No news on these guys right now, but if any surfaces,we will let you know on the Forge World page.
Q: Hot damn, nice big dredd... My question is this for you gw, when the new Dex's come out will they have both the forge world beasties and gw beasties in them for my nids? Also a massive thanks for being an awesome company!
A: The standard codex books are unlikely to cover Forge World models as they are not part of the Citadel range.
Q: So any hints you can give regarding whether warhound, reaver and warlord titans will be in the new indexes? I've got a titan maniple I'd rather not leave sitting on the shelf.
A: No word yet; as soon as we know, we will divulge all here!
Q: Will there be a faction focus on Eldar Corsairs? I know what most of my armies are going to be like in 8th now, but Corsairs are my favourite.
A: Not specifically on Corsairs - that would be super-specific. But they will be getting covered with rules in the new edition.
Q: Any chance the FW books or datasheets will be available digitally?
A: We are looking to make that happen, but no word right now
Q: QUESTION! Since we were told that characteristics such as Strength, Wounds etc, don't cap out at 10 anymore... does that mean that a Leviathan gets S16 on his siege Claws??????
A: Sounds like it! 8 x 2 is 16 after all!
Q: So are the new IA index books going to be sold through Forge World or are they going to be a standard GW product? Not a huge deal but it does take some consideration for those of us outside the UK.
A: Have a read of the article below; the books from Forge World will be being sold by Forge World. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/
Well, since they have to get across the board and into assault whilst taking both regular shooting and overwatch, they have to be good once they get there.
2017/05/24 22:11:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
Forge World Datasheet Teaser PART DUEX Q: Is there any chance of a AOS type warscrolls being available for free? Having recently bought IA:V2 that isn't a cheap book to replace for only 3 models that I own. It really hurts for those of us across the pond.
A: Hey Nathan - as you say, we are looking into whether we can make digital versions of this.More news when we get it.
Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)
For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.
So, in a post dismissing an idea of tanks having weak points, you mentioned weapons targeting their weak points.
Modern tanks are irrelevant when it comes to 40k, the Imperium is described as backwards and the ruleset was based on a WW II ruleset. SM tanks are WWII tanks with lasers.
Though even if you assume sm tanks are more like Abramses, Leopards etc, facing is very important for movement, firing and vulnerablity of modern tanks.
And even if it wasn't, facing is important for tabletop wargames because of the depth it adds to setup and movement phase. Everyhing, not only vehicles should have it in one form or another and GW should have added here, not remove. A wargame without that aspect is a tactical equivalent of a computer rts from the 90s but lacking the strategic component - in short, a stupid game of draging blobs to click on blobs. Have fun.
From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
2017/05/24 22:23:04
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
But man, Forgeworld will really come into its own in 8th edition. Making up convoluted bespoke rules for every model where a USR would do is their specialty.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2017/05/24 22:30:59
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/starter set/DG focus in OP
Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)
For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.
That’s top, bottom, left side, etc., your facing (more armor up front) MEANS NOTHING.
@DCannon4Life:
If you can answer sir, how are wounds allocated from different weapons (maximum damage, or minimum damage) i.e.
LasCannon and Lasgun hit and wound a 2 man squad Primaris Team (fails save), does damage go in favor of shooter:
• Lascannon does 3 damage, (killing 1 marine) then lasgun does 1 damage (wounding the other) = 1 dead & 1 wounded Marine
Or does it go in Favor of the defender:
• Lasgun does 1 damage, (Primaris is wounded) then Lascannon does 3 damage( finishes off wounded Primaris) = 1 dead Marine
I was 11m (I drove an APC around) This discussion needs it's own thread! (meant in a good way)
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Have we seen anything confirming one way or the other for how vehicles will fire their weapons if they have multiple weapons?
More like being a squad so each weapon can aim at a different target? Will weapons need to use TLOS (or approximate like now) to aim left/right/up down?
As for the complaints about vehicles moving sideways I have to say...you do realize that the game board at any given time is simply a snap-shot in time? Maybe we should make it so that you can only overwatch with models that are facing the in-coming chargers. Or whatever you are aiming at. (Not really proposing this.)
I can see vehicles getting to aim their weapons at whatever is within LoS to the hull...any part of the hull. Just like members of a squad move around within their own little bubbles of space, standing up/kneeling, etc...vehicles could be imagined to be doing the same thing. Heck they straight up wrote that into SHW/GC with stomp right now. It is stomping around but then winds up in the same place/facing as where it started. If you can imagine your little guys swinging weapons and moving around, you can imagine a tank taking the few seconds here and there to grind their treads to bring different weapons to focus on different targets while aiming the turret at something else. (Especially with a Panther/Abrahms, watch how they can fight sometime...it's impressive.)
2017/05/24 22:47:57
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/starter set/DG focus in OP
Yeah, but what about the rest of my collection? I only have about a company's worth, what about the other 900 marines I haven't yet got to build and will never get the chance to?
They will serve as an important lesson for your future consumer behaviour.
2017/05/24 22:50:56
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
I know I seen a picture around of a promo from an upcoming global 40k campaign somewhere in news and rumors but it got lost in the shuffle. Does anyone have it? It even had the campaign's name on it.
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2017/05/24 22:51:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
If there is no longer firing arcs it adds freedom to how to model your vehicles, as placing the guns in different places can no longer be considered modelling for advantage (or for disadvantage for that matter.)
Gamgee wrote: I know I seen a picture around of a promo from an upcoming global 40k campaign somewhere in news and rumors but it got lost in the shuffle. Does anyone have it? It even had the campaign's name on it.
I don't recall seeing that.
Oh, speaking of upcoming 40k stuff my FLGS is running an official intro to 8th on June 3rd. Apparently GW is endorsing the edition change with everyone.
2017/05/24 22:54:07
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
Gamgee wrote: I know I seen a picture around of a promo from an upcoming global 40k campaign somewhere in news and rumors but it got lost in the shuffle. Does anyone have it? It even had the campaign's name on it.
I don't recall seeing that.
Oh, speaking of upcoming 40k stuff my FLGS is running an official intro to 8th on June 3rd. Apparently GW is endorsing the edition change with everyone.
It was something along the lines of 'the return or revenge of Konrad or something along those lines. It was even shown to take place in ultramar to try and recover some planets or something.
2017/05/24 22:56:08
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
Gamgee wrote: I know I seen a picture around of a promo from an upcoming global 40k campaign somewhere in news and rumors but it got lost in the shuffle. Does anyone have it? It even had the campaign's name on it.
I don't recall seeing that.
Oh, speaking of upcoming 40k stuff my FLGS is running an official intro to 8th on June 3rd. Apparently GW is endorsing the edition change with everyone.
It was something along the lines of 'the return or revenge of Konrad or something along those lines. It was even shown to take place in ultramar to try and recover some planets or something.
It was me, Dio! I don't think is a global campaing. More like a mini campaing to run in every store as advertisement for the new edition.
Galas wrote: A "campaing" for launch: Fate of Konor
Sorry for the size of the pic. It is a pack for stores to go with 8th launch:
50 pages for army list A4
5 metal coins of 40k 30 measure rules of Ultramarines
20 posters in A3 size
20 pages of exclusive missions
50 battle booklet (Maybe a resume of the rules?)
A poster of A2 size of "Coming soon” of the new campaing: The Destiny of Konor.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/24 22:58:16
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
I hope they do a global campaign (I think they will) since AoS got one.
Pretty sure that poster says "JOIN THE GLOBAL CAMPAIGN ", so...
Excellent catch. So it is a grand-campaign. I need to get my warface on. My FLGS is letting Tau play again woohoo. No idea what changed their hearts. Perhaps the phantom thieves are real?
2017/05/24 23:12:14
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
And even if it wasn't, facing is important for tabletop wargames because of the depth it adds to setup and movement phase. Everyhing, not only vehicles should have it in one form or another and GW should have added here, not remove.
Nonsense, every wargame is first of all a game. Different games aim at different markets and different feels and different levels of abstraction. Facing is not at all important to many wargames, tabletop or otherwise. Many wargames each with their own emphasis exist catering to many people. If a game doesn't appeal to you then there will probably be another that does. Tracking the facing of non vehicles etc sounds as stupid to me as not tracking facing of vehicles does to you. You are probably after a simulator rather than a game.
Modern tanks are irrelevant when it comes to 40k, the Imperium is described as backwards and the ruleset was based on a WW II ruleset. SM tanks are WWII tanks with lasers.
Personally I'd say 40k is much more WW1 and interwar than WW2.
2017/05/24 23:18:35
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
I hope the rumors of large preorders resulting in FLGSs getting a bonus for the store. My store owner puts in a ton of effort, so if he gets a little back because we order a ton of stuff, that would make me really happy.
Speaking as a former 11H (anti-tank gunner U.S. Army)
For those complaining about Vehicle Facing from a real world perspective front facing armor, side armor, etc. Just know, how you face a vehicle is completely irrelevant. Any anti-tank round that hits (TOW, AT4, Hellfire, SABOT) kills the crew and renders the vehicle destroyed. If you hit it, it goes away.
So, in a post dismissing an idea of tanks having weak points, you mentioned weapons targeting their weak points.
Modern tanks are irrelevant when it comes to 40k, the Imperium is described as backwards and the ruleset was based on a WW II ruleset. SM tanks are WWII tanks with lasers.
Though even if you assume sm tanks are more like Abramses, Leopards etc, facing is very important for movement, firing and vulnerablity of modern tanks.
And even if it wasn't, facing is important for tabletop wargames because of the depth it adds to setup and movement phase. Everyhing, not only vehicles should have it in one form or another and GW should have added here, not remove. A wargame without that aspect is a tactical equivalent of a computer rts from the 90s but lacking the strategic component - in short, a stupid game of draging blobs to click on blobs. Have fun.
Or, this isn't a skirmish level war game and that level of granularity no longer feels appropriate for the size of the games involved.
He didn't mention a weak point at all. He said it doesn't matter where you hit, the tank is dead.
The strategic component will come in when we see if vehicles still fire weapons with the same technique as before. Aiming down the barrel doesn't need armor facing. Then there is also the tactical movement aspect of acquiring viable targeting on characters, skimmers and other flying units having a vertical limit of speed, planning and counterdeploying against real-time since every army in the game now guarantees most reserves arival.
You are ignoring army based tactics because you are focused on squad based tactics. They are different things and a game can't really do both. (That's how we ended up in the mess we had before)
I hope they do a global campaign (I think they will) since AoS got one.
Pretty sure that poster says "JOIN THE GLOBAL CAMPAIGN ", so...
Excellent catch. So it is a grand-campaign. I need to get my warface on. My FLGS is letting Tau play again woohoo. No idea what changed their hearts. Perhaps the phantom thieves are real?
There's nothing friendly about an LGS that bans an entire army.
2017/05/24 23:28:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
I hope they do a global campaign (I think they will) since AoS got one.
Pretty sure that poster says "JOIN THE GLOBAL CAMPAIGN ", so...
Excellent catch. So it is a grand-campaign. I need to get my warface on. My FLGS is letting Tau play again woohoo. No idea what changed their hearts. Perhaps the phantom thieves are real?
There's nothing friendly about an LGS that bans an entire army.
Yeap true, which is why I'm skeptical about it. What if they are just yanking my chain and I show up and lol nope.
2017/05/24 23:32:45
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
Internet is loving to photoshop the new kids on the block in different colors and frankly I think it's actually helping make them look better than they do in the promotional shots:
I don't want to sound like I'm hating on the Ultramarines, I mean I LIKE the color blue, but something about it doesn't seem to work on the Primaris Marines like other colors do.
2017/05/24 23:33:34
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 24 May 2017: Confirmed: release date/Forge World dataslate in OP
If I had to guess, I would say vehicles and the like will still measure and draw line of sight from their mountings. I also have a feeling that access points will still be a thing, it will just say on each specific sheet.
People who stopped buying GW but wont stop bitching about it are the vegans of warhammer
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