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 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Those guys might be jet pack troops.

That said, I recall that Jump units have two movement stats, one for walking the other for jumping.


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 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if Gravis give you +1T it will not be a replacement for Artificier or Termie like I thought previously.

I,d say it might be an interesting side grade. Math hammer would be needed to see ow it pans out against the other options, especially if Terminator Armour doesn,t give +1 wounds to your HQs.


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So just for the sake of predictions, I am assuming that we'll be seeing the mini-Heavy Bolters being something like 15" range. Combined with a 10" move that is plenty of threat range for the weapon.

Seems a little awkward to have toughness boosting armour that is not also artificer or terminator plate? From a lore perspective I mean. Boost up protection without going all out.

Certainly the interceptors look very strong.
I hope those not-heavy bolters aren't pistols...
Gravis is cool, it makes doesnt invalidate terminator armour but is still different.

I already loved the Jet Pack ones before, but man oh man, to know they aren't dual wielding some kind of stormbolters but freakin' dualwielding HEAVY BOLTERS just ramps up my desire up to 11! That is some seriously badass Space Marine.

So the primaris captain has the durability of a small vehicle while boasting also a 3+ save. This is nuts !
Sure there will be sometimes the threat of snipers, but one would need al LOT of them to bring him down.

They said that characters will have more wounds (which is reasonable when they cannot join squads anymore). I predict 5 minimum for SM/Big Mek, 4 for humans/eldar, 7 for Warboss/Tyranid Prime.

 lolman1c wrote:
Points are the foundation of the game. If they're making kt harder to find these points by having to flip back and forth then they're purposeful trying to get us into this new BS power level crap.

Why? You can assume any boosting of toughness is really just built in medical features of the armor. Something advancement in technology should make possible.

Artificer armor represents extremely old well maintained armor using lost technologies.

Terminator is extremely bulky to use and restrictive. Hence, the reduction in speed for the increase in armor. The fluff of Terminator armor basically says they use regular Power Armor for tasks that cannot just be brute forced through.

IE: You wouldn't send a dreadnought to check door to door for signs of chaos.

Now that I think about it the flying Gravis guys are basically an awkward hybrid of bikes and centurions, despite resembling assault marines.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Each jump/jetpack may very well have different values.

If what they are carrying is Range 18 Heavy bolters. Then that makes a very mobile gun platform. They really are Imperiums version of the Tau battle suits.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Each jump/jetpack may very well have different values.

Note that the Gravis plate has a 5 inch move, so it's quite possible that jump Gravis is 10 inch whilst jump regular plate is 12 inch.

Youn wrote:


Terminator is extremely bulky to use and restrictive. Hence, the reduction in speed for the increase in armor. The fluff of Terminator armor basically says they use regular Power Armor for tasks that cannot just be brute forced through.

He's move 5" like terminators are


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changemod wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Each jump/jetpack may very well have different values.

Note that the Gravis plate has a 5 inch move, so it's quite possible that jump Gravis is 10 inch whilst jump regular plate is 12 inch.

very good spot there, dread to think how far warp spiders will move... lets assume 14" basic move

Youn wrote:
Why? You can assume any boosting of toughness is really just built in medical features of the armor. Something advancement in technology should make possible.

Artificer armor represents extremely old well maintained armor using lost technologies.

Terminator is extremely bulky to use and restrictive. Hence, the reduction in speed for the increase in armor. The fluff of Terminator armor basically says they use regular Power Armor for tasks that cannot just be brute forced through.

IE: You wouldn't send a dreadnought to check door to door for signs of chaos.

I would. Mostly for the shock and awe factor of that fist punching throu the door everytime he knocks followed by the speakers blaring as he speaks. "GREETINGS CITIZEN. THERE HAVE BEEN INCREASED SIGNS OF HERESY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AS SUCH WE ARE CONDUCTING A DOOR TO DOOR SURVEY TO DETERMINE THE ROOTS OF THIS HERESY, SO PLEASE ANSWER HONESTLY BECAUSE THE EMPEROR IS ALWAYS WATCHING. CITIZEN, ARE YOU NOW, OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN, A HERETIC?"

Youn wrote:
If what they are carrying is Range 18 Heavy bolters. Then that makes a very mobile gun platform. They really are Imperiums version of the Tau battle suits.

Yep - these are not the replacement for assault marines.

changemod wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Each jump/jetpack may very well have different values.

Note that the Gravis plate has a 5 inch move, so it's quite possible that jump Gravis is 10 inch whilst jump regular plate is 12 inch.

Exactly. It would make a perfect sense for regular ASM which carry mostly cc weapons = are lighter to have better M value than a heavy weapons Inceptors.

The more I read about Inceptors the more brain cells I lose. Assault Marines with bike toughness toting double heavy bolters is absolute madness. Matt Ward and CS Goto love child level madness. Spartan kick into the endless pit level madness. If anyone had posted something like that in Proposed Rules they'd have been chased out by an angry mob.

changemod wrote:
Now that I think about it the flying Gravis guys are basically an awkward hybrid of bikes and centurions, despite resembling assault marines.

Maybe that's where all the jetbikes went: Cawl took them apart to make those suits.

I wonder if the sniper profile will significantly change. If it operates remotely close to 7th ed, and if the Captain is a relatively typical example, it's going to be tricky to do much about Characters what with the walls of bodies they'll have protecting them. I sure hope he's expensive.

Also the gravis armor is movement 5 instead of 6 so it slows him down a bit. Will be interesting to see how it pans out in general as upgrade options go. Very cool to see mastercrafted is now basically +1 damage

Also I bet these are closer to a jetpack replacement rather than a jump unit.

If I had to guess I bet all of the marine armies will use the same dataslate for things like assault, devastator, and tactical marines and the chapter tactics are where they will get things like red thirst and other related abilities. Then they will have other units that are keyword dependent for the army specific units.

Would really like to see more about army construction and how the key words are laid out. However if I had to guess it will be VERY similar to what we saw with the Eldar and Imperium grand alliances.

Also: Website has been updated with profiles

Also the 6 wounds thing... remember few articles back they said a lascannon can kill a chaos lord outright... assumed chaos lords might have 6 wounds... there is more weight to that assumption now.

 daedalus wrote:
I wonder if the sniper profile will significantly change. If it operates remotely close to 7th ed, and if the Captain is a relatively typical example, it's going to be tricky to do much about Characters what with the walls of bodies they'll have protecting them. I sure hope he's expensive.

I can see them becoming D3 wounding weapons to represent hitting something important.

 Deadshot wrote:
The more I read about Inceptors the more brain cells I lose. Assault Marines with bike toughness toting double heavy bolters is absolute madness. Matt Ward and CS Goto love child level madness. Spartan kick into the endless pit level madness. If anyone had posted something like that in Proposed Rules they'd have been chased out by an angry mob.

What choice does the Imperium has if not to opose the madness of chaos with their own?

They've updated the article.

 Deadshot wrote:
The more I read about Inceptors the more brain cells I lose. Assault Marines with bike toughness toting double heavy bolters is absolute madness. Matt Ward and CS Goto love child level madness. Spartan kick into the endless pit level madness. If anyone had posted something like that in Proposed Rules they'd have been chased out by an angry mob.

Not assault marines.

 Leth wrote:
Also the gravis armor is movement 5 instead of 6 so it slows him down a bit. Will be interesting to see how it pans out in general as upgrade options go.

Also I bet these are closer to a jetpack replacement rather than a jump unit.

If I had to guess I bet all of the marine armies will use the same dataslate for things like assault, devastator, and tactical marines and the chapter tactics are where they will get things like red thirst and other related abilities. Then they will have other units that are keyword dependent for the army specific units.

Would really like to see more about army construction and how the key words are laid out. However if I had to guess it will be VERY similar to what we saw with the Eldar and Imperium grand alliances.

Also: Website has been updated with profiles

Huh. They're actually Jump Infantry.

That said, I feel that the rules for these guys are out of the starter set rather than in the core rules.

Master-Crafted now adds +1 damage, wonder if that'll carry over to guns.

Looks like master-crafted gives 2D instead usuall 1. Ninjad

Yeah, Cawl's literally built awkward approximations of crisis suits.

Goes with his "invented" plasma rifles I guess.

Things I noted

Master crafted adds +1 to damage.
Heavy Bolter is -1 AP
Jump Pack and Fly are different Key Words

I note he has both Boltstorm Gauntlet and Power sword - do you choose which weapon you attack with or allocate your attacks between them?