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2017/05/26 19:30:46
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
skarsol wrote: Wait, so one LOW is no penalty, but one anything else loses you a CP? That's... dumb.
Everything else is part of the other FOCs. I had the same though as you initially, but then thought better of it.
Yeah, in a world where your super-heavy options are 1 or 3-5, penalising you strategically for taking your own biggest commanding officer seems a bit much.
On the other hand I'm slightly troubled by the idea that other detachments will be available in different publications. That is, after all, sort of how they got into trouble with 7e. Of course if they stick religiously to offering command benefits as CPonly then it will probably be OK.
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2017/05/26 19:34:12
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Grenades are still limited to a single model in the unit.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/05/26 19:34:32
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Yeah, in a world where your super-heavy options are 1 or 3-5, penalising you strategically for taking your own biggest commanding officer seems a bit much.
On the other hand I'm slightly troubled by the idea that other detachments will be available in different publications. That is, after all, sort of how they got into trouble with 7e. Of course if they stick religiously to offering command benefits as CPonly then it will probably be OK.
You assume those commanders are still LoW.
Also I believe it was said what you can use CP on will be unique to each army. Not the detachments themselves.
2017/05/26 19:36:19
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
skarsol wrote: Wait, so one LOW is no penalty, but one anything else loses you a CP? That's... dumb.
Everything else is part of the other FOCs. I had the same though as you initially, but then thought better of it.
Yeah, in a world where your super-heavy options are 1 or 3-5, penalising you strategically for taking your own biggest commanding officer seems a bit much.
On the other hand I'm slightly troubled by the idea that other detachments will be available in different publications. That is, after all, sort of how they got into trouble with 7e. Of course if they stick religiously to offering command benefits as CPonly then it will probably be OK.
yeah I think I would have preferred that the LOW be a 0-1 in the larger detachments, then have it as a slot in the aux detachment, so taking 2 penalizes your CP. Then have the 3-5 detachment as is.
2017/05/26 19:36:45
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
That will make for a pretty significant difference between Chaos Termies and Loyalist ones. Chaos Termies will have much better close range firepower with their Combi-Bolters, but Loyalist Termies will be able to Run and Shoot.
2017/05/26 19:38:10
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Eh. d6 extra inches for hitting on 6's. Not a great trade unless that advance is the difference between being in and out of range.
It gives me something to do with the 27 boys who aren't toting special weapons, I'm not going to complain. That's 54 shots I wasn't getting before. I'll take hitting on sixes, and being able to shoot the SWs at all on the advance.
I think I speak for all Ork players when I say that every d6 of movement helps.
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2017/05/26 19:38:53
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
So, based on the Faction Keywords, the Battalion Detachment is basically a CAD + an AD that gives you 3 CP, assuming you stick to good (Imperium keyword) or evil (Chaos keyword). Will be interesting to see if there's a Xenos keyword (have we seen a full Tau/Eldar sheet?).
Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)
2017/05/26 19:40:18
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)
Probably not. But most of the command benefits will be for much more specific keywords I suspect.
2017/05/26 19:40:59
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!
2017/05/26 19:41:01
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)
Yes, but it will be in terms of abilities to use your CP on.
2017/05/26 19:41:09
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Youn wrote: This edition will seriously weaken Celestine from the tank she used to be. I guess you could put her closest from unit in a hope that your opponent fires at her vs the unit she is next to.
I never saw her as tanky. Mostly because of ID and her lack of EW.
Uhm... she has/had EW.
Not in her original form. She went down like she had a glass jaw if she got hit with S6+. I haven't looked at the Gathering Storm rules in a while, but gather that's where she gained it.
She has EW since her latest incarnation and that's what Youn meant with weaken Celestine from the tank she used to be. As you mentioned the twins (she hadn't before, too) in the next paragraph it was absolutely unapparent that you talked about the outdated rules.
OT: at first I was kinda confused when I saw the Supreme Command Detachment, but I guess with the new character rules it makes some sense. I like idea of the Auxillary Support Detachment.
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2017/05/26 19:42:08
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
oni wrote: OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!
Fixed with one sentence. You can't have a legal army with less than 0CP. Done.
2017/05/26 19:42:11
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
oni wrote: OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!
Fixed with one sentence. You can't have a legal army with less than 0CP. Done.
oni wrote: OH MAN... I'm going to make a whole fething army of Aux. Support Detachments... It'll be a fething circus of all manner of gak... And guess what the best part is? IT'LL BE BATTLE FORGED!!! Unbound literally just became Battle Forged. ROFL!!!
You can't if you don't have enough Command Points. I think it wil be pretty absurd to have legal armies with less than 0 CP.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/26 19:44:20
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Has there been any hints as to increasing benefits if you use more specific Keywords for your detachment? (A Chaos detachment, vs a Heretic Astartes detachment, vs a Legion detachment)
Yes, but it will be in terms of abilities to use your CP on.
Yes. This was noted in the second live Q&A. For example, an all Blood Angels army could use Imperium, Space Marine or Blood Angels stratagems whereas a mixed Space Marine force could only use Imperium or Space Marine stratagems, etc.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/05/26 19:45:55
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
There's also no reason that tournaments couldn't limit the number of total org charts, or even restrict certain ones. SUre there's room for beard, but it's also super easy to manage at the event level, which is great news.
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2017/05/26 19:46:47
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 25 May 2017: Missions/Ork focus/FB #17(all info in OP)
Lord Kragan wrote: Interestingly. People were right, there's smaller SH detachments with no benefits. Hell, there's a detachment that DEDUCES COMMAND POINTS!
That Auxillary detachment is kind of nuts. I mean I get it if you want to add just one extra FOC option to your army for some reason, but at the same time it's rather punishing.
Ummm, I disagree. Your looking at it from the perspective of adding a single additional unit from your own army. I am looking at it as a way to add a farseer or maybe fire dragons to my dark eldar if I feel like it without taking a whole second detachment of a greater size.
Hmmm my legal Imperium Army with SoS, Custodes, Celestine and Tempestus Scions, here I come That I can create without looking at 5 supplements and a master degree
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
