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 NivlacSupreme wrote:
With the supreme command detachment I could just run all 10 Ultramarines Captains and some vets/Honor Guard to get in the way.

Did I miss something? did more FOCs get leaked?

 Rippy wrote:
Plasma gun is awesome! Choose the safe option, or gamble with a 1 in 6 chance of guaranteed damage!
Looks like that is standard of all plasma guns.

Yup. I am hoping a lot of SM HQ units give the reroll to 1s like the Gravis Captain does. A 1/36 chance of losing a model is definitely worth the extra damage. Plasmaguns are probably going to be my Tactical Squad Special Weapon from here on out.

Charax wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Also, realising the loss of bolt pistols isn't an issue - there's no bonus attack for a pistol anymore and it seems Rapid Fire doesn't prevent charging.

Pistols can fire while an enemy is within 1", it would have added utility to the unit for them to switch to BP+ Plague Knife while fighting, and fluffy:

"All his Space Marines were expected by Mortarion to be equally adept with bolter, pistol and close combat weapon, to fight with whatever weapon circumstance dictated." - Index Astartes: Death Guard

Fair enough but mechanically it's redundant. If you really want to fire a pistol at 1 inch range into the enemy unit...uhhhhhhhhhhhh. Why not just charge them? Being able to reroll 1s to wound with plague knives is huge in an edition where everything can be wounded - as is that lovely bubble effect from the Lord of Contagion causing mortal wounds.



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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Plasma gun is awesome! Choose the safe option, or gamble with a 1 in 6 chance of guaranteed damage!
Looks like that is standard of all plasma guns.

Yup. I am hoping a lot of SM HQ units give the reroll to 1s like the Gravis Captain does. A 1/36 chance of losing a model is definitely worth the extra damage. Plasmaguns are probably going to be my Tactical Squad Special Weapon from here on out.

Looks like the edition of Plasma may be back.

Especially as Rapid Fire doesn't seem to prevent you assaulting either.

 Powerfisting wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
With the supreme command detachment I could just run all 10 Ultramarines Captains and some vets/Honor Guard to get in the way.

Did I miss something? did more FOCs get leaked?

Yeah. There's one that only needs 3 HQ.

I'd like to see what plasma cannons do. Plasma Kataphrons could be interesting now.

wow yea rapid fire looks like its good for assault! thats pretty huge i expect all units apart from assaulty ones are gonna loose pistols.
Same for heavy weapons, allows for some what would of been seen as ghasty units in 7th to be somewhat viable e.g. devis, 4 multi meltas and a serg with a powerfist dropping down in a pod! ok the mm's hit on 4's but ye guaranteeded 9" away and you get to assault!

Also 3" consolidation to engage multiple enemy units or a new unit is confirmed.... the rules only say you can't get within 1" in the movement phase so you can use your 3" in the charge phase to wangle your way into other units.

Also think it was mentioned but the assault running rule is nice for the 75 ork shoota boyz i have... call a warghhh 6" (assuming they move 6"), d6" move, all your shoota shots hitting on a 6 but better than nothing then a 2d6" charge with a re-roll.

OK so from reading the leaked rules am I correct in thinking:

You can disembark an assault unit within 12" of the enemy but with the transport between you and the enemy unit you want to charge.

Declare charge.
Enemy has no line of sight to charging unit so can't overwatch
Charging unit moves to within 1" of target unit (assuming you make charge roll)
Pile in 3"

##scene deleted due to gratuitous violence##

Victory


Obviously this needs the transport to have moved up the previous turn and not been destroyed and needs your unit to be small enough to hide behind transport. Rules make no mention of assaulting unit needing LOS to target unit

 Latro_ wrote:
wow yea rapid fire looks like its good for assault! thats pretty huge i expect all units apart from assaulty ones are gonna loose pistols.

Also 3" consolidation to engage multiple enemy units or a new unit is confirmed.... the rules only say you can't get within 1" in the movement phase so you can use your 3" in the charge phase to wangle your way into other units.

Also think it was mentioned but the assault running rule is nice for the 75 ork shoota boyz i have... call a warghhh 6" (assuming they move 6"), d6" move, all your shoota shots hitting on a 6 but better than nothing then a 2d6" charge with a re-roll.

Orks are going to hit hard.

Game is a whole lot more strategic though - say a few mobs of Orks gets into some Chaos Marine squads - massacre, right? Until the Chaos player burns 2 CP and has the Chaos Marines swing first against one of the mobs. (Spend if after a unit that charged has fought - so you basically sack one squad to let the other turn the table.)

New models on the blog

like:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-fest-live-blog/

changemod wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Also maybe make a separate HH thread if there isn't one already, unless it has something to do with new 40k that I missed?

You missed that Heresy isn't going to become 8th is 8th news as it pertains to 8th.

I think you missed the "40k" part in the thread title.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Also, realising the loss of bolt pistols isn't an issue - there's no bonus attack for a pistol anymore and it seems Rapid Fire doesn't prevent charging.

Well it is more of an issue as everyone can shoot with every weapon they have now. That is an extra bolt shot per model :(



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Also Dark Star, it means they can shoot a model and then use their plague knife in assault :(


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What happens to the centre part of that door when it opens, Latro?

 Rippy wrote:

changemod wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Also maybe make a separate HH thread if there isn't one already, unless it has something to do with new 40k that I missed?

You missed that Heresy isn't going to become 8th is 8th news as it pertains to 8th.

I think you missed the "40k" part in the thread title.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Nooo Plague Marines lost their pistol!

Also, realising the loss of bolt pistols isn't an issue - there's no bonus attack for a pistol anymore and it seems Rapid Fire doesn't prevent charging.

Well it is more of an issue as everyone can shoot with every weapon they have now. That is an extra bolt shot per model :(



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Also Dark Star, it means they can shoot a model and then use their plague knife in assault :(


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What happens to the centre part of that door when it opens, Latro?

Except you can't fire a pistol and another weapon - you need to choose

Read pistol rules again, you can't shoot with those together with bolters.

Check the leaks in the OP Vorian, it says you can shoot with every weapon you have in the shooting phase...

Edit: oh maybe I missed the pistol part, nevermind me.

Apparently pistols are an either/or thing listed in the Shooting rules. So not even those damned Loyalists get to fire bolters AND pistols.

Also 3" consolidation to engage multiple enemy units or a new unit is confirmed.... the rules only say you can't get within 1" in the movement phase so you can use your 3" in the charge phase to wangle your way into other units.

You must end closer to the nearest enemy model. So most of the time you will be pushing closer into the combat. But occasionally if your model is on the edge, or you wipe the enemy unit out, you may snag another unit.

 Kinetochore wrote:
OK so from reading the leaked rules am I correct in thinking:

You can disembark an assault unit within 12" of the enemy but with the transport between you and the enemy unit you want to charge.

Declare charge.
Enemy has no line of sight to charging unit so can't overwatch
Charging unit moves to within 1" of target unit (assuming you make charge roll)
Pile in 3"

##scene deleted due to gratuitous violence##

Victory


Obviously this needs the transport to have moved up the previous turn and not been destroyed and needs your unit to be small enough to hide behind transport. Rules make no mention of assaulting unit needing LOS to target unit

Doing this out of any imperial vehicle would mean a 5 or 6 inch charge minimum and wouldn't work for units larger than 5 or spread out enemy units. Also don't forget you disembark BEFORE you move so...yeah good luck with that.

Basically, neat gimmick, totally impractical.

Can someone please point to where it says pistols and other weapons both cant be fired in the same shooting phase?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Apparently pistols are an either/or thing listed in the Shooting rules. So not even those damned Loyalists get to fire bolters AND pistols.

Basically the Pistol rules benefit units like Seraphim or units that are Gunslinger types - or units that are really shoddy in assault but happen to have good pistols who just need to put damage out because Falling Back isn't an option (perhaps no other units close enough to support them - sort of a last stand type of deal.)

Bolt pistols are an extra S4 ap - attack once every second player turn (I'm pretty sure you can't use them in the enemy turn), so I guess they're a little handy in drawn out fights, especially for troops that are S4 ap - regardless.

 Rippy wrote:
Can someone please point to where it says pistols and other weapons both cant be fired in the same shooting phase?

The pistol rules under the weapon types leak.

 Rippy wrote:
Can someone please point to where it says pistols and other weapons both cant be fired in the same shooting phase?

It's on the Weapon Types page, under the rules for Pistols.

"Each time a model equipped with both a Pistol and another type of ranged weapon (e.g. a Pistol and a Rapid Fire weapon) shoots, it can either shoot with its Pistol(s) or with all of its other weapons."

Grenades have a similar rule that you can fire 1 from 1 model instead of firing any other weapons from that model.

 Iphie wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Can someone please point to where it says pistols and other weapons both cant be fired in the same shooting phase?

The pistol rules under the weapon types leak.

Thanks mate, I missed that leak, I will have another look.

Looking at the leaked core rules, if i understand correctly,
Having pistols allows units locked in combat, to fire their pistols at the enemy combatant during the shooting phase,
and not impacting the other normal functions of the combat phase later on...?

 SirDalavar wrote:
Looking at the leaked core rules, if i understand correctly,
Having pistols allows units locked in combat, to fire their pistols at the enemy combatant during the shooting phase,
and not impacting the other normal functions of the combat phase later on...?

Correct.

Bolt pistols are an extra S4 ap - attack once every second player turn (I'm pretty sure you can't use them in the enemy turn), so I guess they're a little handy in drawn out fights, especially for troops that are S4 ap - regardless.

I see it as more of an advantage to defenders. They will be the first to get to use it.

Regardless, I am sad to see pistols go from Plague Marines.

ERJAK wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:
OK so from reading the leaked rules am I correct in thinking:

You can disembark an assault unit within 12" of the enemy but with the transport between you and the enemy unit you want to charge.

Declare charge.
Enemy has no line of sight to charging unit so can't overwatch
Charging unit moves to within 1" of target unit (assuming you make charge roll)
Pile in 3"

##scene deleted due to gratuitous violence##

Victory


Obviously this needs the transport to have moved up the previous turn and not been destroyed and needs your unit to be small enough to hide behind transport. Rules make no mention of assaulting unit needing LOS to target unit

Doing this out of any imperial vehicle would mean a 5 or 6 inch charge minimum and wouldn't work for units larger than 5 or spread out enemy units. Also don't forget you disembark BEFORE you move so...yeah good luck with that.

Basically, neat gimmick, totally impractical.

Bit of a long shot yeah. Beats getting mega overwatched by Tau though

Regardless, I am sad to see pistols go from Plague Marines.

It makes me wonder if normal Tactical Marines will still have them. I'm guessing not even though Primaris do.

 Kinetochore wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:
OK so from reading the leaked rules am I correct in thinking:

You can disembark an assault unit within 12" of the enemy but with the transport between you and the enemy unit you want to charge.

Declare charge.
Enemy has no line of sight to charging unit so can't overwatch
Charging unit moves to within 1" of target unit (assuming you make charge roll)
Pile in 3"

##scene deleted due to gratuitous violence##

Victory


Obviously this needs the transport to have moved up the previous turn and not been destroyed and needs your unit to be small enough to hide behind transport. Rules make no mention of assaulting unit needing LOS to target unit

Doing this out of any imperial vehicle would mean a 5 or 6 inch charge minimum and wouldn't work for units larger than 5 or spread out enemy units. Also don't forget you disembark BEFORE you move so...yeah good luck with that.

Basically, neat gimmick, totally impractical.

Bit of a long shot yeah. Beats getting mega overwatched by Tau though

Would work better with a group of vehicles, Imagine 3-4 Rhinos forming a shield wall for a small army, assuming you would need to leave a small window open still.

=EDIT= actually, reading the rules, Overwatch doesn't mention needing line of sight, i suppose they just take their shots when they are just a few feet from their faces,
However, they cant shoot overwatch if an enemy is within 1" so you could use your vehicle more as a ram, getting into 1 inch, and denying any further overwatch on troops...

Would work better with a group of vehicles, Imagine 3-4 Rhinos forming a shield wall for a small army, assuming you would need to leave a small window open still.

Wouldn't it be better to have your Rhino's charge first to soak the overwatch? Since you can't move through your wall of Rhinos.


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=EDIT= actually, reading the rules, Overwatch doesn't mention needing line of sight, i suppose they just take their shots when they are just a few feet from their faces,
However, they cant shoot overwatch if an enemy is within 1" so you could use your vehicle more as a ram, getting into 1 inch, and denying any further overwatch on troops...

Overwatch uses all the rules for shooting normally in the shooting phase other than you always need a 6 to hit. So range and line of sight matter. Range is also very important, because if you can make longer than normal charge distances you can deny overwatch to flamer weapons.