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 Rippy wrote:

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ty mate.

So, I just watched a game of 8th edition being played using the starter forces. I have to say that even though it was the first time playing this edition for both players the game ran really smoothly. The match was very even, the marines seeming to be winning at first via their strong shooting, but once the nurglites managed to get into close combat the tables were turned.

Primaris lieutenants allow units within 6" to re-roll wound rolls of one, while the ancient adds one to leadership of nearby units and on 4+ allows slain models in those units to attack either by shooting or in close combat before they're removed.

The guns on the inceptors are chunkier than I expected, they certainly look like believable heavy bolter variants when seen up close.

And most importantly, the beginning blurb in the BRB remains unchanged.

Iago40k wrote:
anyone got a link to the 40k 4chan-board (actually I am too stupid to find my way to that damn board with its hundreds of archives -.-) or knows if they got some new leaks over there? need my fix and finally something for my armies

The thread changes constantly. You need to go to 4chan.org/tg and go to the catalog. Search for the 40,000 General thread. Threads eventually die and a new one pops up.

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, Quantum Shielding is OP as hell vs. highly damaging weapons. Melta is going to be awful against vehicles equipped with it. Again, mass plasma is the winning combination here. Overcharging only gives a 16.7% chance of the wounds not going through. The fact it can deflect a frickin' reaper chainsword is pretty lame. I guess if you keep shooting at it with the heavy stubber...

It's worse than riptides nova shield. Vs lascannon it's 55% protection. Krak 36 or so.

Optimal gun to shoot is likely autocannon btw

The Predator Autocannons, maybe. Otherwise, high Strength, High AP, Low damage would be the best option. Good thing I have a Knight Warden and prefer Plasma for my Space Marines (admittedly, I love Melta as well). I guess my Knight will just be stomping on Necron vehicles rather than punching them with his Thunderstrike Gauntlet.

Also, Nova Shield causes a mortal wound in order to use it, so that is pretty rough. Though, a Riptide with Stims can still ignore a wound on a 6+, so risk versus reward, I guess.

Pred autocannon good for marines. I looked more from ig pov. And my sons of horus though they won't play 8tg ed.

But ac wounds on 3, barge saves on 5plus, quantum blocks 1/6 times, 5/6 2 dam through. Not too bad. And no overload danger vs plasma

I saw the recent (brief) spoilers about Magnus, but have there been any further Thousand Sons leaks? I'm very curious to see what kind of unique psyker powers (if any) they have.

 Rippy wrote:

Iago40k wrote:
anyone got a link to the 40k 4chan-board (actually I am too stupid to find my way to that damn board with its hundreds of archives -.-) or knows if they got some new leaks over there? need my fix and finally something for my armies

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/53511328
Just normally go to 4chan.org/TG/Catalog
Then press search, type 40k, look for /40KG/


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I find it's more reliable to type "warh" as it'll always have that string somewhere in the first post. Thread naming isn't very consistent.

1) On a 2+, a unit within 24" takes d3 Mortal Wounds
2) Pick a unit within 24" and roll against their wounds characteristic? Remove the model if it's higher? Rough translation
3) Pick a unit and roll a d6 for each model within 24" of the C'tan, on a 6 it takes a MW

First for general use, second for elite mid toughness units, third for hordes? Seems good if I'm reading them right.

Here you go:

1) Roll a D6; on a 2+ the nearest visible enemy unit within 24" suffer D3 mortal wounds

2) Select a visible enemy unit within 24" and roll a D6. If the result is greater than the Wound characteristic of the target unit a model in that unit is slain

3) Roll a D6 for each model in the nearest enemy unit within 24". For each result of 6 the unit suffer a mortal wound

So I just did the points for centurions and damn if it isnt interesting

So Cent with hurricane bolter and heavy bolters is 86

Meanwhile a cent with twin lascannons and cent missiles is 140 each!!

Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

tneva82 wrote:
Pred autocannon good for marines. I looked more from ig pov. And my sons of horus though they won't play 8tg ed.

But ac wounds on 3, barge saves on 5plus, quantum blocks 1/6 times, 5/6 2 dam through. Not too bad. And no overload danger vs plasma

A Captain-backed Hellblaster Squad will put some hurt down with their Overcharged Plasma Incinerators and not have to worry too much about Overcharge eating them. An Apothecary will bring them back up as well.

At any rate, spamming one weapon type is a recipe for disaster now, which I am perfectly fine with. Plasma seems to be a good choice for dealing with most everything though.

 Leth wrote:
So I just did the points for centurions and damn if it isnt interesting

So Cent with hurricane bolter and heavy bolters is 86

Meanwhile a cent with twin lascannons and cent missiles is 140 each!!

Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

Try doing a crisis suit with 3 missile pods, or a Dreadnought with 2 Twin Autocannons. Heavy weapons are way more expensive now generally, as are vehicles. I mean, 2 lascannons and missiles for 140 points isn't that bad even - that's much more firepower than most armies can spit out for that price. Necrons are paying 63 points for 2 S5 AP-3 Dam D3 shots, so consider yourself lucky.

 Leth wrote:
So I just did the points for centurions and damn if it isnt interesting

So Cent with hurricane bolter and heavy bolters is 86

Meanwhile a cent with twin lascannons and cent missiles is 140 each!!

Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

With split fire that seems like a pretty wise decision.

 Leth wrote:
So I just did the points for centurions and damn if it isnt interesting

So Cent with hurricane bolter and heavy bolters is 86

Meanwhile a cent with twin lascannons and cent missiles is 140 each!!

Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Leth wrote:
So I just did the points for centurions and damn if it isnt interesting

So Cent with hurricane bolter and heavy bolters is 86

Meanwhile a cent with twin lascannons and cent missiles is 140 each!!

Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Honestly in the context of how expensive all heavy and special weapons are now its not that bad. It just takes some re-thinking of how much fire power would be on the table at a points value.

Personally I am a really big fan, one of the big problems in the previous edition is that heavy weapons fire was way to cheap for the amount of damage it did. Made the regular guys totally worthless. No you can get those heavy weapons but it is costing you 1-2 squads of the regular guys haha. I like how it is actually a decision and trade off compared to before.

Someone was complaining that it takes about 18 missiles to kill a land raider......well that is 450 points in missiles....

I do like how they simplified barrage, there is no BS modifiers or anything like that. IT simply says you can fire at things out of LOS. Simplified and streamlined. I like it, might actually have to bust out my whirlwinds...

Another thing I would like to highlight is that vehicle squadrons are gone in the space marine list. So we are back to solo units, which is fine. With the openning up of the force org charts its not as big of a deal.

 Leth wrote:
Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

The ability to split fire for everyone makes mixed weapon units not the boneheaded move as it was in the past. It's a nice touch.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Dont get me wrong that is two lascannon and d3 missile shots each but wow are points different haha Feel like Hybrid unit builds are going to be necessary. Otherwise you are losing a lot more points per death. Like 1-2 Lascannon ones with 3-4 heavy bolter ones. Something like that to help mitigate the prices.

The ability to split fire for everyone makes mixed weapon units not the boneheaded move as it was in the past. It's a nice touch.

Yeah, I always hated how I had to waste my bolter shots because I was firing my melta at the tank over there.

Removing the "have to charge what you shoot" is nice as well. That rule always annoyed me.

Interesting thing about the cent missile launcher is that it only has one fire mode, however it is assault d3 and does d3 damage instead of assault 1 d6 damage. Significant differences between the two!

Also I like how grav and plasma now have two very distinct roles and targets. Before it was all grav all the time. Now they are pretty good against a wide variety of things but they both shine in different areas.

Multi Wound good save infantry is good for grav. Plasma is better against tougher single wound enemies. Also the over charge finally makes sense IMO. It is a plasma pistol blowing up in your hand. I dont care who you are: it takes that entire arm with it in the fluff. Now you have the CHOICE to overcharge it so there is no reason to complain about it "being unreasonable that a character dies" You are choosing to take a calculated risk. Dont want to take the risk, dont over charge it. You would think with their hundreds of years of experience they would know better huh?

 SirDalavar wrote:


Is anyone able to read/trans the small section above these psykic powers? it mentions something about D3

You either select the powers you want or you select them randomly using a D3

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Thas the reason why a Grav gun is now 7 points.

 Therion wrote:

rvd1ofakind wrote:
I just want Daemons to be able to use Heldrakes in their detachment. Since I accidentally ordered Heldrakes and then saw I can't use them without CSM or KDK :(

Backstory: I asked "good anti-air for Daemons" and pretty much everyone said Heldrake

I'm not seeing the problem? As far as I understand, you build your army from multiple detachments. Just take one from Daemons and another that allows a bunch of fast attack (Heldrakes) for the smallest additional unit tax as possible. The Outrider detachment lets you take 6 Heldrakes and you only have to take one HQ to accompany them. I'm sure you can find something useful.

If they share the Chais keyword (and I think they do) they should be able to roll in the same detachment with no issues.

 Galas wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Thas the reason why a Grav gun is now 7 points.

looks like 15 to me. If it was rapid fire 2 it might be worth it but as noted a plasmagun is cheaper and probably the best option in 99% of cases

 Galas wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Thas the reason why a Grav gun is now 7 points.

Or 15...

 Garion wrote:

 SirDalavar wrote:
Is anyone able to read/trans the small section above these psykic powers? it mentions something about D3

You either select the powers you want or you select them randomly using a D3

?!!
That's a pretty big "or".
(assuming it let's you choose instead of making to roll, why would anyone ever want to roll?)

 skoffs wrote:

 Garion wrote:

 SirDalavar wrote:
Is anyone able to read/trans the small section above these psykic powers? it mentions something about D3

You either select the powers you want or you select them randomly using a D3

?!!
That's a pretty big "or".
(assuming it let's you choose instead of making to roll, why would anyone ever want to roll?)

For those who can't decide, I guess.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Thas the reason why a Grav gun is now 7 points.

Or 15...

The pistol's seven, so there's that.

From 4chan:
old one eye: 10w r7
>ws3+, gives +1 to hit on carnifices within 6
>his charge does d3 mortal wounds on a 4+ instead of 1
>each attack that hits generate another attack to resolve with the same weapon against the same target
>140pts

Lord Kragan wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Thas the reason why a Grav gun is now 7 points.

Or 15...

The pistol's seven, so there's that.

lol nope thats a plasma pistol a grav pistol is 8

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, those are some crazy high points values. Hopefully Centurions pack rules to make it worth it. Given how Grav was nerfed into Oblivion, I really doubt Centurions (the most egregious users of Grav) will survive without a heavy nerfing as well. At any rate, I am thinking I am going to make a Bolter spam squad of Centurions.

Nerfed into oblivion or brought down from it's sky-high perch? You're reaching a bit on this grav thing.

It functionally serves next to no purpose anymore. It doesn't compete with any other SM weapon for its points. Plasma is cheaper and more effective in almost every instance.

Grav Gun more reliably takes on heavy armor.

Yes, a plasma gun can overcharge, but you're ignoring the *required* cost of a hero so that you don't obliterate yourself in the process.

From 4chan:
>ghost arc: w14 s6 t6 4+
>living metal, quantum shielding
>you can still make reanimation protocols for the embarked unit
>also at the end of the movement phase you can choose an unit within 3 for additional reanimation protocol rolls (doesn't stack with the resurrection globe)

>you can choose one unit to hold in reverses "on the tomb world"; it can come out within 3 of the monolith but more than 1 from the enemy at the start of the movement phase

>boyz cost the same with slugga, choppa and bomms; hit on 3+, shoot on 5+; if 20 or more gain an additional attack
>nobz 17ppm, 3 models minimum

>old one eye: 10w r7
>ws3+, gives +1 to hit on carnifices within 6
>his charge does d3 mortal wounds on a 4+ instead of 1
>each attack that hits generate another attack to resolve with the same weapon against the same target
>140pts

>kantor same characteristics of other chapter masters (w6 ws2+ s4 t4 4++)
>crimson fists within 6 get another attack and reroll to hit
>dorn's arrow: 24" ass4 s4 ap-1 d1

>sternguards same stats as marines but with ld8(-9 sergeant)
>specialist requiem: rapid fire1 s4 ap-2 d1
>up to 2 can have heavy flamers, heavy weapons, special weapons or combi-weapons
>everyone can have combi-weapons
>16ppm without weapons (which go from 11ppm to 15 ppm respectively for combiflamer and combiplasma)

>vanguards are almost the same but can get any weapon combination between melee and pistols
>yes twin pistols too