40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**alleus**

Chrysis wrote:
Eldarain wrote:
alleus wrote:
Can someone explain to me exactly how a Battle Cannon works now?

So it's Heavy D6, so do I roll D6 and that's how many SHOTS or HITS I get? If it's shots, then I'm not really in love with this change. Say you get 4 shots, you will probably hit 2 or 3 and then wound 2. On larger models that could be 6 wounds, but it's still only two dead MEQs, IF they fail their saves which they get now..

Also, wasn't the point in removing blast markers that it would be faster? I am having a hard time seeing how this process would be faster:

New system: Roll for shots, roll for hits, roll for wounds, save, roll for damage (if applicable, will not be needed most of the time I suppose).
Old system: Roll scatter, roll for wounds, save (if any).

If the Russ somehow got cheaper, I can sorta get behind this, but I don't think they got cheaper. Since most vehicles got more expensive now I don't think the Russ would have gotten cheaper. Do we have IG points somewhere?

Also with Veterans being Elite now, I need to take regular Guardsmen for scoring? Or do we know how scoring/obsec works in this edition yet?

You're not including all the time it took to move and space models to mitigate Blast damage. Also the inane "4 guys. No 6. Pretty sure it's 4, maybe a case for that 5th guy..."

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@Latro he is also the first I've seen with a Power Fist equivalent that doesn't hit you with a -1.

Not to mention "It scatters X inches that way. No, not that way, *that* way. No, no, the other way."

Yes, I can agree on the whole scatter issue. That will probably go faster, but the new system has so much dice rolling I can't help but think it will take some time as well.

In either case the time is not the biggest issue for me. In my experience I hit more often than I scattered, so I am just not sure if this new Battle Cannon is better or worse. It feels worse just thinking about it right now, but maybe I need to actually see it in action first. I just want my tank list, focused on Leman Russes, to actually be viable and feel as powerful as a tank army should feel!

**lolman1c**

theharrower wrote:
Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
axisofentropy wrote:
Canhammer is leaking again, here's Genestealer Cult https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvfIOEAoi6/

Better yet, Necrons! In English!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvf6Vkg0DK/?taken-by=canhammer_yt

I'm both externally and internally squealing like a child, you sir are wonderful

Wow gauss sucks. So much for one of the greatest weapons in 40K.

Wtf are you on about? You guys now get eternal reanimation protocol, are pretty cheap at 120pts with a -1 ap... Necrons look badass in 8th ed. I'm freaked out to play against a faction that always scared me before. Now factions like Orks, who won't do very much shooting damage to you, basically can't take you out if you role lucky.

**Fezza213**

Latro_ wrote:
Olde gaz is a bit of a beast 8 wounds, 2+ 4++!

+1 attack for units so near a unit of 20 choppa boyz they charge in get 100 s4 attacks! 20 boyz!

Even better, 2 attacks base, + 1 for having a choppa, + 1 for being a unit of more than 20, add weirdboy to cast warpath on them (+1 attack) and add ghazghkull equals a total of 6 attacks per boy. 30 man squad can potentially have 180 attacks.

Of course that would require the stars aligning and is unlikely to ever happen but hey lets dream.

**MaxT**

tneva82 wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
alleus wrote:
A Leman Russ firing a Plasma Cannon will not explode, it will just lose 6 wounds and then not be able to fire the cannon again. Rule is "Something Plasma Vents". Source, Tank Commander:

Emergency Plasma Vents.

Leman russ executioner is even more of a suicide tank than before! Before it had 5 shots so in average not even hull pointing itself every turn. Now with average 7 shots odds of not rolling 1 diminishes a lot and 4 shots of those halve wounds(worse than previous) AND take out 2 plasma cannons...

And executioner cannon went from 3 plasma templates to mere d6 shots.

Exterminator autocannon also got halved in firepower.

Eradicator might be russ of choise in the future.

This is why you always magnetise Russ weapons

**lolman1c**

Love these Ork leaks but really wish there was something for my dreadnoughts and killa clan army. Any leaks about this I have missed?

**Rippy**

Geifer wrote:
This thread is moving faster than I can keep up with, but I wanted to thank Rippy for all the great work keeping the OP up to date. Greatly appreciated!

No worries, still a bit behind but currently playing catch up!

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Honestly only reason we have most of the leaks is thanks to people PMing me them

**little-killer**

Stompa 900 points, i hope he is very good.

**Eyjio**

lolman1c wrote:
Wtf are you on about? You guys now get eternal reanimation protocol, are pretty cheap at 120pts with a -1 ap... Necrons look badass in 8th ed. I'm freaked out to play against a faction that always scared me before. Now factions like Orks, who won't do very much shooting damage to you, basically can't take you out if you role lucky.

Necrons look great against infantry but they can't deal with big models at all. If someone takes a Wraithknight, Imperial Knight, 3 Rhinos, or frankly any model with 10+ wounds, Necrons may as well pack up and go home. We're talking 1 lascannon for 75 points level of screwed for Necrons, and that's the cheapest possible option for AT in the entire army.

To be blunt, I don't think you'll be seeing many Necron armies in 8th, especially if Marines and Tyranids are are ridiculous on the table as they look on paper.

**endlesswaltz123**

Latro_ wrote:
Eldarain wrote:

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@Latro he is also the first I've seen with a Power Fist equivalent that doesn't hit you with a -1.

Abaddon does not either but his fist isnt as good s8 gaz is s12! plus gaz does 3 damage standard abby is d3

The grey knight character from gathering storms thunder hammer also hits without the -1 penalty by the looks of things. I expect Calgar to be the same.

**rvd1ofakind**

little-killer wrote:
Stompa 900 points, i hope he is very good.

99% sure he won't be that good. Anything over 500 pts is dumb IMO.

**Iago40k**

Rippy wrote:

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Honestly only reason we have most of the leaks is thanks to people PMing me them

Hooray for those people. And you. The heroes we need!

**dan2026**

Can someone tell me if we ever got any shots of the Nurgle daemons rules?

**lolman1c**

Eyjio wrote:
lolman1c wrote:
Wtf are you on about? You guys now get eternal reanimation protocol, are pretty cheap at 120pts with a -1 ap... Necrons look badass in 8th ed. I'm freaked out to play against a faction that always scared me before. Now factions like Orks, who won't do very much shooting damage to you, basically can't take you out if you role lucky.

Necrons look great against infantry but they can't deal with big models at all. If someone takes a Wraithknight, Imperial Knight, 3 Rhinos, or frankly any model with 10+ wounds, Necrons may as well pack up and go home. We're talking 1 lascannon for 75 points level of screwed for Necrons, and that's the cheapest possible option for AT in the entire army.

To be blunt, I don't think you'll be seeing many Necron armies in 8th, especially if Marines and Tyranids are are ridiculous on the table as they look on paper.

I don't see the problem, just bring immortal with a -2 or tesla cannon. Plus we don't know if scarabs are just gunu eat up vehicles yet (now they attack first).

**Shadow Walker**

I have mixed feelings for Tyrannofex. He has now 3+ save only but is T8. I guess 2+ will be reserved for former Gargantuan creatures.

**Future War Cultist**

Thank you for the leaks and the translations of said leaks. They've gotten me even more pumped for this release, which I didn't think was humanly possible.

**Adam Spielmann**

From the Italian leak there was a melee weapon called "Mandibles" that was S:user and AP: 0 with damage 1, but the rule that if the target had higher T than the model's S it'd always wound on a 5+.

I think that's the weapon sacarbs use, meaning they actually are pretty useful, expecially if they keep being so mobile and with a good number of attacks.

**little-killer**

To the op you can add ghazkhull profile https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2017/5/31/92334adb9838e103c5c5dc605514b94e_5598.png

**RandyMcStab**

SO the IG faction focus made reference to Vets being super soldiers and heavy weapon squads being good too. Both look the same barring moving FOC slot. Obviously there is other stuff to be revealed but I have no idea what they are talking about.

**MarkNorfolk**

MaxT wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
alleus wrote:
A Leman Russ firing a Plasma Cannon will not explode, it will just lose 6 wounds and then not be able to fire the cannon again. Rule is "Something Plasma Vents". Source, Tank Commander:

Emergency Plasma Vents.

Leman russ executioner is even more of a suicide tank than before! Before it had 5 shots so in average not even hull pointing itself every turn. Now with average 7 shots odds of not rolling 1 diminishes a lot and 4 shots of those halve wounds(worse than previous) AND take out 2 plasma cannons...

And executioner cannon went from 3 plasma templates to mere d6 shots.

Exterminator autocannon also got halved in firepower.

Eradicator might be russ of choise in the future.

This is why you always magnetise Russ weapons

And is it a suicide tank? Only if you overcharge, and even then you can mitigate it with the right orders.

**fresus**

From the DE leaks, poison still wounds on 4+, but wounds vehicles on 6+.
Haywire is S4 AP-1, but does a mortal wounds on vehicles on a 4+ to wound, and D3 mortal wound on a 6+, on top of the normal damage.

I'm pretty happy with poison. Haywire is a bit weird, as it does mortal wounds, but you still only do <1 wound per shot (assuming BS3+). So while it stills wounds large vehicles as easily as small ones, the sheer number of wounds of things like IK mean they won't die to haywire too quickly.

**Lord Kragan**

Eyjio wrote:
lolman1c wrote:
Wtf are you on about? You guys now get eternal reanimation protocol, are pretty cheap at 120pts with a -1 ap... Necrons look badass in 8th ed. I'm freaked out to play against a faction that always scared me before. Now factions like Orks, who won't do very much shooting damage to you, basically can't take you out if you role lucky.

Necrons look great against infantry but they can't deal with big models at all. If someone takes a Wraithknight, Imperial Knight, 3 Rhinos, or frankly any model with 10+ wounds, Necrons may as well pack up and go home. We're talking 1 lascannon for 75 points level of screwed for Necrons, and that's the cheapest possible option for AT in the entire army.

To be blunt, I don't think you'll be seeing many Necron armies in 8th, especially if Marines and Tyranids are are ridiculous on the table as they look on paper.

You kidding me? High Power doomsday cannon is scary as hell to big models, specially now that does d3 shots rather than one and d6 damage. Specially if they don't have invulnerable saves.

**WildDuck**

How about all rules from all indexes?

**H.B.M.C.**

So the Rhino Primaris kills itself when overcharging its TL Plasma Gun?

Guess it got bespoke'd!

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

WildDuck wrote:
How about all rules from all indexes?

Why must I be at work? why???

**Fluxxxx**

WildDuck wrote:
How about all rules from all indexes?

You gotta be kidding me...legend!

**Warhams-77**

lolman1c wrote:
Love these Ork leaks but really wish there was something for my dreadnoughts and killa clan army. Any leaks about this I have missed?

Have you seen this?

https://m.imgur.com/a/zjUs2

**Vulkan Fran'cis**

Dont know if this has been posted or not...

A new kind of Landraider with no sponsons and some sort of turret.

**Warhams-77**

okay just saw WildDuck's post

**Latro_**

WildDuck wrote:
How about all rules from all indexes?

I think this thread is done /kaboom

**H.B.M.C.**

WildDuck wrote:
How about all rules from all indexes?

"Deathwatch Librarians and Chaplains may not be equipped with jump packs."
"A Deathwatch Chaplain may not be equipped with a power fist."
"A Deathwatch Librarian in Terminator may not be equipped with a storm shield."

Why?

These restrictions made no sense in the Deathwatch Codex. Why would you keep them? They're so fething arbitrary.