40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Crimson**

MLaw wrote:

You can also put pieces of ruined building from a Imperial Sector or .. really whatever you want.. and pin them to that like they're flying through the rubble or something.. it's what I've done with my Crisis Suits and adds a nice effect and the pinning is in the foot.

Yep. This is what I'm gonna do.

**casvalremdeikun**

Crimson wrote:
Luciferian wrote:
Damn, I was really hoping the marines would have interchangeable shoulder pads. A few days ago I ordered $40 worth of Dark Angels pads

It doesn't look to me that the shoulderpads would be too difficult to swap, even on these monopose models.

I have converted all of the Deathwing Terminators into Deathwatch Terminators. All it takes is some sanding and cutting. Cutting away a shoulder pauldrons so a new one can be glued in place is hardly a difficult endeavor. If I had plans to use the Primaris Marines for my Blood Angels, I would be planning on doing that.

**Daedalus81**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Galas wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Do people seriously not do squash/press casting anymore?

Trying to decide if I'll be sculpting DA/BT robes on my monopose or running as more of a traditional armor + purity seals type of setup..

What is squash/press casting?

So I know it as press molding but it basically goes:
1. Get together one shoulderpad you wish to copy, some vaseline or similar substance and some GS and a stick (example: pencils, sprue, ect) and a pair of gloves.
2. Build a wad of Green Stuff on the end of your stick so that it forms a cone flared towards the bottom with at least a third to half extending past the end of the stick and set aside to stiffen slightly. Vaseline coated fingertips will keep it from sticking to the gloves.
3. Coat the surface of the shoulder pad with vaseline to prevent adhesion to the green stuff.
4. Press the flared end of the GS against the textured surface so that it completely covers the surface and leave to set.
5. After setting remove the shoulderpad and you now have a textured press mold.
6. To use the mold coat it with vaseline and then press a small amount of green stuff onto the surface of your blank shoulder pad before pressing your mold onto it. If done correctly when you remove the mold you will have a copy of your design that only needs a little cleaning o to removed the excess GS from.

Parts of America is woefully lacking hobby knowledge like this. This was enlightening - thanks!

**changemod**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Galas wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Do people seriously not do squash/press casting anymore?

Trying to decide if I'll be sculpting DA/BT robes on my monopose or running as more of a traditional armor + purity seals type of setup..

What is squash/press casting?

So I know it as press molding but it basically goes:
1. Get together one shoulderpad you wish to copy, some vaseline or similar substance and some GS and a stick (example: pencils, sprue, ect) and a pair of gloves.
2. Build a wad of Green Stuff on the end of your stick so that it forms a cone flared towards the bottom with at least a third to half extending past the end of the stick and set aside to stiffen slightly. Vaseline coated fingertips will keep it from sticking to the gloves.
3. Coat the surface of the shoulder pad with vaseline to prevent adhesion to the green stuff.
4. Press the flared end of the GS against the textured surface so that it completely covers the surface and leave to set.
5. After setting remove the shoulderpad and you now have a textured press mold.
6. To use the mold coat it with vaseline and then press a small amount of green stuff onto the surface of your blank shoulder pad before pressing your mold onto it. If done correctly when you remove the mold you will have a copy of your design that only needs a little cleaning o to removed the excess GS from.

Parts of America is woefully lacking hobby knowledge like this. This was enlightening - thanks!

You can get a simpler and cleaner mould if you buy some Oyumaru instant mould, eBay and Amazon have it, rather than using a green stuff to green stuff mould.

Green stuff isn't amazing at holding detail and isn't nonstick, so you get less quality if you use it twice and have to mess around with Vaseline or other ways at avoiding it sticking together.

Also the instant mould is slightly flexible, meaning you can get it out of the mould easier, and melts down to be reused once you're done with it.

**Alpharius**

Please take the very interesting hobby discussion over to a separate thread over in the P&M forums - thanks!

**EnTyme**

lord_blackfang wrote:
That is very obviously the old kit

Looks like Procreate to me

. Seriously, though. That's the old kit with a head swap. Still looks cool, though.

**Ghaz**

Building your Death Guard:

Faction Focus: Adeptus Mechanicus

Primaris Marines of Many Colors

Painting the Primaris Captain

**TwilightSparkles**

Anyone heard about any shortages ? I've seen one uk retailer post today that they've been shorted by GW, I've seen another one now only taking starter orders for delivery from 24th.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Yes I've seen several places warning that late(er) preorders may have to wait,

I posted a warning from Element Games a day or two ago which had a date which GW had told them for the second wave of product

**Nostromodamus**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Anyone heard about any shortages ? I've seen one uk retailer post today that they've been shorted by GW, I've seen another one now only taking starter orders for delivery from 24th.

I haven't, but fear of it made me forego any discounts and order direct from GW for the rulebook and indices.

**MLaw**

Vik at TheWarstore has posted two things that we probably already knew..
1) They can't ship until release day..
2) Stocks are extremely low on all 8th ed related releases (I suppose this means units that are not reserved for specific preorders).

He is encouraging people who are ordering now to contact them before ordering if you are concerned about getting it ASAP so they can give you up to date stock levels.

**BrookM**

Around here if a store put the order in on time, they should've received their goods last week at the earliest or today at the lastest.

**Rippy**

I will be taking the leaks off the OP soonz due to most of the links being broken, and due to the books actually being released in a few days.

**Bonegrinder**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Anyone heard about any shortages ? I've seen one uk retailer post today that they've been shorted by GW, I've seen another one now only taking starter orders for delivery from 24th.

Asgard Wargames where warning of of demand outstripping supply yesterday.

**JohnnyHell**

My preorders have already been picked and are waiting at Firestorm Games for collection on Saturday. I preordered on the first day possible. Pays to not sit around!

**Chopxsticks**

Same here, and sorry if I missed it but is GW mailing out to retailers on the 17th and then they mail it out to us, or did retails receive theirs long ago and we should all be good to go? I suspect because I didnt order from GW directly I am going to be waiting an extra week or so..

**Platuan4th**

Retailers should be receiving them this week. The local stores here have received everything but the Books and Boxes.

**warboss**

Rippy wrote:
I will be taking the leaks off the OP soonz due to most of the links being broken, and due to the books actually being released in a few days.

Leave them for posterity even if they don't work. The mods will lock this thread on release day anyways.

**MLaw**

Chopxsticks wrote:
Same here, and sorry if I missed it but is GW mailing out to retailers on the 17th and then they mail it out to us, or did retails receive theirs long ago and we should all be good to go? I suspect because I didnt order from GW directly I am going to be waiting an extra week or so..

regardless of when they get them or how long they had them, retailers are not permitted to ship them prior to the release date. That's per the agreements the shops have with GW.. and pretty sure it's the same for movies and video games.. not really a new or different thing..

**Azreal13**

I'm pretty sure they're allowed to ship them so they are likely to arrive on release day, certainly been the case that I've had stuff in the post on day of release.

**Bonegrinder**

Asgard Wargames told me they'll ship as soon as they receive stock, which may be tomorrow.

**lessthanjeff**

Has anyone else noticed the power level difference between space marine scouts and wolf scouts for space wolves? They seem near identical to me but one is power level 4 and the other is 6. Am I missing something?

Also seems weird that Typhus costs less points than the generic lord of contagion...

**Anpu42**

lessthanjeff wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the power level difference between space marine scouts and wolf scouts for space wolves? They seem near identical to me but one is power level 4 and the other is 6. Am I missing something?

Also seems weird that Typhus costs less points than the generic lord of contagion...

Well when you max out the squad size they become the same and Scouts can use Land Speeder Storms as Transports.

**Jambles**

Anpu42 wrote:
lessthanjeff wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the power level difference between space marine scouts and wolf scouts for space wolves? They seem near identical to me but one is power level 4 and the other is 6. Am I missing something?

Also seems weird that Typhus costs less points than the generic lord of contagion...

Well when you max out the squad size they become the same and Scouts can use Land Speeder Storms as Transports.

Power level is calculated from points thusly:

Median points cost for the squad (no kit vs. max kit) divided by ~20.

**lessthanjeff**

I must still be missing something then. You can get more wolf scouts and attached captains with more wargear than you can get space marine models.

Space Marines Scouts can only go up to 10 models for 10 power level.

Wolf Scouts get 10 models as well with seemingly the same upgrade options for 8 power level. As a bonus, you can add an 11th model who gets even more options to take the unit to power level 10.

**Anpu42**

lessthanjeff wrote:
I must still be missing something then. You can get more wolf scouts and attached captains with more wargear than you can get space marine models.

Space Marines Scouts can only go up to 10 models for 10 power level.

Wolf Scouts get 10 models as well with seemingly the same upgrade options for 8 power level. As a bonus, you can add an 11th model who gets even more options to take the unit to power level 10.

You are not missing it.
My guess for the lower cost is you can not max out the Pack and put it in a Transport other than a Stormwolf. They do get 'Behind Enemy Lines' But not 'Combat Squads' or 'Concealed Position'.
Scouts can take any Space Marine Transport at full Strength including Razorbacks and Land Speeder Storms if they Combat Squad'.

But that is just a theory.

**Rippy**

warboss wrote:
Rippy wrote:
I will be taking the leaks off the OP soonz due to most of the links being broken, and due to the books actually being released in a few days.

Leave them for posterity even if they don't work. The mods will lock this thread on release day anyways.

Okay, good idea

**JimOnMars**

Rippy wrote:
warboss wrote:
Rippy wrote:
I will be taking the leaks off the OP soonz due to most of the links being broken, and due to the books actually being released in a few days.

Leave them for posterity even if they don't work. The mods will lock this thread on release day anyways.

Okay, good idea

You should probably remove the dead links....who knows what files might show up there next..

**lessthanjeff**

Anpu42 wrote:
lessthanjeff wrote:
I must still be missing something then. You can get more wolf scouts and attached captains with more wargear than you can get space marine models.

Space Marines Scouts can only go up to 10 models for 10 power level.

Wolf Scouts get 10 models as well with seemingly the same upgrade options for 8 power level. As a bonus, you can add an 11th model who gets even more options to take the unit to power level 10.

You are not missing it.
My guess for the lower cost is you can not max out the Pack and put it in a Transport other than a Stormwolf. They do get 'Behind Enemy Lines' But not 'Combat Squads' or 'Concealed Position'.
Scouts can take any Space Marine Transport at full Strength including Razorbacks and Land Speeder Storms if they Combat Squad'.

But that is just a theory.

Ah, I did miss the concealed position difference. Thanks. The unit size and transport option stuff seem like they would be weird things to adjust costs based on, but maybe. Something just seems off to me about space marine scouts costing more than regular tacticals, other scout variants, or even specialist units like assault squads, but maybe that's all it is.

**MaxT**

lessthanjeff wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
lessthanjeff wrote:
I must still be missing something then. You can get more wolf scouts and attached captains with more wargear than you can get space marine models.

Space Marines Scouts can only go up to 10 models for 10 power level.

Wolf Scouts get 10 models as well with seemingly the same upgrade options for 8 power level. As a bonus, you can add an 11th model who gets even more options to take the unit to power level 10.

You are not missing it.
My guess for the lower cost is you can not max out the Pack and put it in a Transport other than a Stormwolf. They do get 'Behind Enemy Lines' But not 'Combat Squads' or 'Concealed Position'.
Scouts can take any Space Marine Transport at full Strength including Razorbacks and Land Speeder Storms if they Combat Squad'.

But that is just a theory.

Ah, I did miss the concealed position difference. Thanks. The unit size and transport option stuff seem like they would be weird things to adjust costs based on, but maybe. Something just seems off to me about space marine scouts costing more than regular tacticals, other scout variants, or even specialist units like assault squads, but maybe that's all it is.

Concealed Positions is a very, very powerful ability in 8th with the way the various deep strike rules work nowadays. Scouts are well worth their cost IMO.