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 schadenfreude wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
Pounding barrage seems situational to me. It's 2cp for a basilisk shot. I would mainly use it when an extra basilisk shot is really going to help, like a unit with a couple of wounds left that needs to be dead.

It stacks with aerial spotters which will be really good at doing the 1st wound to a knight so that we can trigger overlapping fields of fire.

True. Anything that is a temporary buff will be good, like the Cadia relic.

glad that my chicken walkers got cheaper I love the models and take them every game anyway. Might need to pick up another squad of three

Anyone seen the complete rules for the emperor's fist? I've not been able to find more than was revealed on WC.

 Trickstick wrote:
After seeing the text of the formations in some of the youtube reviews, a couple of things jumped out at me:

- Emperor's conclave is not for me. It's a melee focused formation with lots of fight and charge phase stuff.

- The tank stratagem lets you double shot a tank turret no matter how far you moved. Seems like a really good thing to combine with tallarn ambush, as that was a weakness of outflanking russes.

- Second tank stratagem let's you pick a unit and get d3 mortal wounds on a 4+ for every keyword russ that charges it. I'm thinking my demolisher squad may be having some fun.

- The mechanised formation seems like a great idea if you mech. One stratagem lets you get out after moving, although you can't then move. Trait lets you give orders out of chimera, as if you have a vox. I can see vox armed mech being quite useful.

which review showed the text for the mech formation? with the price drop to chimera's i'm interested in running one and anything to make them better interest me.

 gbghg wrote:
which review showed the text for the mech formation? with the price drop to chimera's i'm interested in running one and anything to make them better interest me.

https://youtu.be/sT0eDbjQTyc?t=1653

The stratagem to get out looks nice, as getting out after moving is a rare ability.

Do you guys think Chimeras might be viable now? Perhaps in Tallarn or Armageddon armies?

 Trickstick wrote:

 gbghg wrote:
which review showed the text for the mech formation? with the price drop to chimera's i'm interested in running one and anything to make them better interest me.

https://youtu.be/sT0eDbjQTyc?t=1653

The stratagem to get out looks nice, as getting out after moving is a rare ability.

That whole formation looks tasty, vets squads being part of it is all I could have hoped for. Trait is solid, relic is eh, 3++ is good but it'll be on a company commander who will be hiding in a chimera anyway. Both strats seem pretty solid, disembarking after moving will be nasty with a vet squad filled with plasma or melta and the fire support strat will be a nasty surprise for anyone who tries to charge them, especially if you take a heavy flamer in the squad and stick them in a double heavy flamer chimera.

 vipoid wrote:
Do you guys think Chimeras might be viable now? Perhaps in Tallarn or Armageddon armies?

Well they were viable before, you just had to use positioning and stuff. Probably better now. I'm not convinced about the overwatch stratagem though. Is it worth it for six shots? Either bolter or multi/bolter.


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 gbghg wrote:
...heavy flamer in the squad and stick them in a double heavy flamer chimera.

I don't think a flamer chimera would really work, as the 8" range would be easy to avoid. Assuming you deploy the infantry forward it'll be easy to charge from outside the range.

 Trickstick wrote:

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 gbghg wrote:
...heavy flamer in the squad and stick them in a double heavy flamer chimera.

I don't think a flamer chimera would really work, as the 8" range would be easy to avoid. Assuming you deploy the infantry forward it'll be easy to charge from outside the range.

Yeah, range is the biggest issue with that idea, that said having your guardsmen hug the chimera makes it less of an issue and it forces your opponent to make longer more risky charges. Won't be a major impedient to units with rules/strats etc to make charging more reliable but it will discourage from units who lack those.

I'm thinking run a armageddon vet squad loaded with plasma and a platoon commander with mechanised commander in a chimera (weapon loadout is debatable), get within 18" of the unit you wish to tenderise, spend a CP on rapid deploy, pop a CP on the armageddon strat for reroll ones, order bring it down on the vets. Use take cover on the vets if they get shot at and fire support if they get charged to help them survive. If they live have them unload another round of shooting then hop back in the chimera with the armageddon order then go find something else to kill.

Point wise thats a lot better now, will only cost 159pts, but it's a pretty CP heavy playstyle. 2CP to get the formation and trait then a minimum 2CP a turn to a max of 4, probably not worth the return on 3 plasma guns.

I've just had a thought. Melta shotgun veterans and platoon commander inside a chimera, using ambush. You get to move on to 9.1" away from a target, and the 3" disembark will get you within 6". Nice little attack force.

 Trickstick wrote:
I've just had a thought. Melta shotgun veterans and platoon commander inside a chimera, using ambush. You get to move on to 9.1" away from a target, and the 3" disembark will get you within 6". Nice little attack force.

No it won't?

9.1" minus 3" is 6.1".

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I've just had a thought. Melta shotgun veterans and platoon commander inside a chimera, using ambush. You get to move on to 9.1" away from a target, and the 3" disembark will get you within 6". Nice little attack force.

No it won't?

9.1" minus 3" is 6.1".

Yeah but they disembark within 3", not "wholly within". This means you get the width of the base as well, spanning that extra bit needed.

Edit: Just saw that the commander can't disembark, so need field commander too. 6cp total cost is a bit crazy.

Is the Demo russ going to become the go to command russ now?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Is the Demo russ going to become the go to command russ now?

Maybe, although I like relic russ.

Plasma sponsons are pretty nice now. 2 pts more than bolters. I guess it depends on your overall anti-horde/elite balance.

I think that all of the turrets are pretty good now (not you vanquisher). Eradicator is cheap enough that it could be worth taking a bit more.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Is the Demo russ going to become the go to command russ now?

Maybe, although I like relic russ.

Plasma sponsons are pretty nice now. 2 pts more than bolters. I guess it depends on your overall anti-horde/elite balance.

I think that all of the turrets are pretty good now (not you vanquisher). Eradicator is cheap enough that it could be worth taking a bit more.

I still feel like the executioner is one of the best sweet spots out there but you'd be crazy not to have at least one tank commander rocking that relic battlecannon. Since the demolisher hits larger units d6 times it may be our go to for if thunderwolf cav become a major thing, which my local SW players seem to think will happen. I just don't like that it cuts it's shots in half as the unit drops. Usually when there's one to two guys left is when I feel I need a full volley the most since I'm trying to stop that last nasty model from hitting my line or something.

I'm torn on leman Russe's, at least when you plan on a full tank company. Part of me wants to take a variety to cover weaknesses and roles, you know, a few LRBT, maybe an Annhilator or two, a couple TC executioners, a punisher, etc. On the other hand, I want to run say one or two types but double down on them, so my opponent can't just pick off the one or two tanks that actually scare him, in which case it'd be mostly the old standby of LRBT's with some exeuctioner TC mixed in. I do feel like if you go with a low variety of tanks sponsons become way more important than if you have a variety of tanks to cover different roles.

A lot of nerfed units in the 2017 chapter approved are MIA in 2018. I'm hearing that the 2017 chapter approved will effectively be shitcanned when 2018 is official so it sounds like the 2017 nerds that fall off will effectively expire.

The 2 big units I don't see are 40 point cyclops and 75 point earthshaker batteries.

Wyvern, Manticore, Primaris, Taurox, and ratlings MIA

 schadenfreude wrote:

A lot of nerfed units in the 2017 chapter approved are MIA in 2018. I'm hearing that the 2017 chapter approved will effectively be shitcanned when 2018 is official so it sounds like the 2017 nerds that fall off will effectively expire.

The 2 big units I don't see are 40 point cyclops and 75 point earthshaker batteries.

Wyvern, Manticore, Primaris, Taurox, and ratlings MIA

You mean to say ignore everything in CA 2017?

 schadenfreude wrote:

A lot of nerfed units in the 2017 chapter approved are MIA in 2018. I'm hearing that the 2017 chapter approved will effectively be shitcanned when 2018 is official so it sounds like the 2017 nerds that fall off will effectively expire.

The 2 big units I don't see are 40 point cyclops and 75 point earthshaker batteries.

Wyvern, Manticore, Primaris, Taurox, and ratlings MIA

What are you talking about, those units are all mentioned in the 2018 book with point costs. Off the top of my head manticore got a 20 ish point discount, taurox got a slight adjustment, and ratlings went up in price

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

A lot of nerfed units in the 2017 chapter approved are MIA in 2018. I'm hearing that the 2017 chapter approved will effectively be shitcanned when 2018 is official so it sounds like the 2017 nerds that fall off will effectively expire.

The 2 big units I don't see are 40 point cyclops and 75 point earthshaker batteries.

Wyvern, Manticore, Primaris, Taurox, and ratlings MIA

What are you talking about, those units are all mentioned in the 2018 book with point costs. Off the top of my head manticore got a 20 ish point discount, taurox got a slight adjustment, and ratlings went up in price

I was reading off the leaked pages off Faeit 212


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And yes I'm asking if we now ignore 2017

You always use the latest material no matter what. If a unit or whatever isn't in the latest material you use the latest thing it was in.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Is the Demo russ going to become the go to command russ now?

Maybe, although I like relic russ.

Plasma sponsons are pretty nice now. 2 pts more than bolters. I guess it depends on your overall anti-horde/elite balance.

I think that all of the turrets are pretty good now (not you vanquisher). Eradicator is cheap enough that it could be worth taking a bit more.

How much are plasma sponsons now?

Ecdain wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Is the Demo russ going to become the go to command russ now?

Maybe, although I like relic russ.

Plasma sponsons are pretty nice now. 2 pts more than bolters. I guess it depends on your overall anti-horde/elite balance.

I think that all of the turrets are pretty good now (not you vanquisher). Eradicator is cheap enough that it could be worth taking a bit more.

How much are plasma sponsons now?

10 points.

By the way, do you think someone ought to tell GW that Yarrick is also a Commissar?

It's a little depressing that he seems to have been entirely excluded from both the points reduction to Commissars (after their ability was nerfed to hell) and also the general reduction to most special characters in this CA.

 vipoid wrote:
By the way, do you think someone ought to tell GW that Yarrick is also a Commissar?

It's a little depressing that he seems to have been entirely excluded from both the points reduction to Commissars (after their ability was nerfed to hell) and also the general reduction to most special characters in this CA.

He dropped 30 points.

So I'm mucking about with my 2k list, and it looks like I'll be able to fit in Pask, 3 tank commanders, 2 manticores, a shadowsword, a primaris psyker, 3 company commanders, 80 guardsmen, and 2 mortar HWS... I'm really liking this CA update now

Pask gets an Executioner with plasma sponsons + lascannon, one commander gets the same, and the other 2 commanders are in triple heavy bolter russes. I wanna stick with the heavy bolter ones so they can "screen" for the executioners, because as I learned today using defensive gunners and firing overwatch with plasma cannons is suicidal.

How have you organised your detachments? Manage to fit an Emperor's fist in there? That relic battlecannon is nice.

It's gonna be 2 battalions and a supreme command. I am not sure of the rules for the Emperor's Fist... but if it's like other ones I can just apply it to any detachment, so the Supreme Command with Pask and 3 Tank Commanders is definitely getting it, I'll make Pask a field commander (The Shadowsword should guarantee he lives at least a turn or two) and give the Relic to one of the regular russes.

 Trickstick wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
By the way, do you think someone ought to tell GW that Yarrick is also a Commissar?

It's a little depressing that he seems to have been entirely excluded from both the points reduction to Commissars (after their ability was nerfed to hell) and also the general reduction to most special characters in this CA.

He dropped 30 points.

Did he? I completely missed that.

So with the emperor's conclave, I'm now debating the necessity of a bullgryn anchor, just going instead with more pf commanders and infantry. What do you all think?

Possibly. How much coverage can you get from a single 6" trait aura? I would be worried about being out of position.