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 pretre wrote:

 cyphertheory wrote:

 pretre wrote:
New guy with no tracker history? Seems legit.

Hi Pretre

this was me over on warseer with advanced rumours on Guillimans return

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?418949-Potential-next-plastic-primarch

"I have heard that it could be Guilliman returned TRUE in some form of dreadnought like suit/armour FALSE"
So 50/50 so far.

Actually, the Guilliman armour is a kind of vital support in the lore, so in some form is like a Dreadnought armour in the sense that it keeps the owner alive.

 Galas wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 cyphertheory wrote:

 pretre wrote:
New guy with no tracker history? Seems legit.

Hi Pretre

this was me over on warseer with advanced rumours on Guillimans return

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?418949-Potential-next-plastic-primarch

"I have heard that it could be Guilliman returned TRUE in some form of dreadnought like suit/armour FALSE"
So 50/50 so far.

Actually, the Guilliman armour is a kind of vital support in the lore, so in some form is like a Dreadnought armour in the sense that it keeps the owner alive.

Yeah, but that's not what it says. I understand that argument, but his armor is nothing like a dreadnought. If it had said 'life support' armor or something, I could have bought it.

I mean, compare G to a dread and a marine, which does he look like?

yeah, I would also rate this as vague instead of false. But that's just a tiny nitpick on your fabolous work, pretre

edit: I think he looks a bit like a contemptor

It's all good, I'll just share what I hear . given its all 3rd hand im sure there will be some variety.

The specialist games group isn't really that secretive. Stuff like titanicus, blood bowl, Horus heresy, and silver tower was announced and teased for almost a year. So a necromunda release is either a quick fire and forget box set SWA or gorechosen or this rumour is false.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Confrontation had a really cool Class Warfare theme - Brat Gangs (rich), techno (middle class), Scav (poor) and I'd love to see that back.

So what the heck, my wish list:

Brat Gangs (replacing spryers, rich, best gear, good henchmen, crap morale and skills)
Techno Gangs (a more cyber version of Van Sarr, good gear, reasonable morale)
Worker Gangs (all-arounders, updated Orlocks)
Scav Gangs (crap gear, great morale, sneaky)
Redemptionists (Fearless, fire, bold)
Cults (genestealer or chaos, either/or/both)

Then it wouldn't really be Necromunda.

I disagree. It would be Necromunda, but now the setting has expanded in scope. I can still use my existing Hive Primus Hive City House gangs, but there's something new for me to buy; everyone benefits.

If they just made new plastic versions of the existing six houses, I wouldn't buy anything.

 Desubot wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The core rules of Shadow War are almost universally an improvement on Necromunda (I'd bring back the rules for catching fire, that's all that's missing). It's the campaign rules that need to go back to their roots.

Aren't they largely a copy/paste?

iirc they fixed a few things that was a major issue from old necromunda but is there anything wrong with bringing in things that used to work and fixing things that didnt?

Necromunda Community Edition exists, is free, and has done that already:

Rulebook: https://yaktribe.org/community/vault/necromunda-community-edition-rulebook.1/
Outlanders: https://yaktribe.org/community/vault/outlanders-community-edition.591/

Go play now!

I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

Thats the bad thing about Nostalgia. People want to buy a new version of something that they already have. Personally I think both things can be done, new sculpts for the former gangs but new gangs too to expand the setting and catter to people that don't want to re-buy things they already have.

To me in general the look of all the original Necromunda gangs, the "House X" are atrocious, but is just a personal taste thing, I don't like the "Punk" aesthetic. Redeemers and Arbiters in the other hand, they are pretty sweet.
But this comes down to the same reason why I like Mordheim more than Necromunda. Necromunda is just humans, or mutated humans in a galaxy so full of variety it looks like a waste.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If they just made new plastic versions of the existing six houses, I wouldn't buy anything.

I'd buy everything. New Necromunda miniatures that could be easily converted? The idea of being able to do lots of new weapon combinations without the need to cut-up metal models? New poses?

I could finally do a Van Saar gang, and do a Cawdor gang that isn't full of rifles.

I'm sceptical that GW would release 6 full plastic kits for a niche specialist game. Particularly given that Necromunda is a game that is very much of its time and highly derivative of 40k's 2000AD influences. I think that GW and 40k are in a different place now so re-releasing Necromunda would simply be an attempt to cash in on the nostalgia factor.

Also, it would presumably be a Shadow War supplement rather than a standalone re-release? Again, I'm sceptical that GW would release two versions of what are ultimately the same ruleset.

Enigma of the Absolute wrote:
I'm sceptical that GW would release 6 full plastic kits for a niche specialist game.

You mean like Blood Bowl's getting?

Indeed, I think tje success of blood bowl, particularly when combined with the surprise success of, and demand for shafoe war had changed gow specialist games are going to he approached now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Confrontation had a really cool Class Warfare theme - Brat Gangs (rich), techno (middle class), Scav (poor) and I'd love to see that back.

So what the heck, my wish list:

Brat Gangs (replacing spryers, rich, best gear, good henchmen, crap morale and skills)
Techno Gangs (a more cyber version of Van Sarr, good gear, reasonable morale)
Worker Gangs (all-arounders, updated Orlocks)
Scav Gangs (crap gear, great morale, sneaky)
Redemptionists (Fearless, fire, bold)
Cults (genestealer or chaos, either/or/both)

Then it wouldn't really be Necromunda.

I respectfully disagree. I've got the original game, read some of the novels and comics and honestly the original 6 don't interest me. They're too 80s movie and not really grimdark or science fictiony. And really down't have enough to distinguish them from each other. For me Confrontation and Outlanders really had the more interesting gangs.

Your milage may vary of course.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Confrontation had a really cool Class Warfare theme - Brat Gangs (rich), techno (middle class), Scav (poor) and I'd love to see that back.

So what the heck, my wish list:

Brat Gangs (replacing spryers, rich, best gear, good henchmen, crap morale and skills)
Techno Gangs (a more cyber version of Van Sarr, good gear, reasonable morale)
Worker Gangs (all-arounders, updated Orlocks)
Scav Gangs (crap gear, great morale, sneaky)
Redemptionists (Fearless, fire, bold)
Cults (genestealer or chaos, either/or/both)

Then it wouldn't really be Necromunda.

I respectfully disagree. I've got the original game, read some of the novels and comics and honestly the original 6 don't interest me. They're too 80s movie and not really grimdark or science fictiony. And really down't have enough to distinguish them from each other. For me Confrontation and Outlanders really had the more interesting gangs.

Your milage may vary of course.

The original aesthetics and lore were a large part of the draw for me and a flat out departure from that would definitely mean I would probably skip a new release and just round up more of the old materials.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I respectfully disagree. I've got the original game, read some of the novels and comics and honestly the original 6 don't interest me. They're too 80s movie and not really grimdark or science fictiony. And really down't have enough to distinguish them from each other. For me Confrontation and Outlanders really had the more interesting gangs.

Then you prefer the Confrontation fluff, not the Necromunda fluff. If they brought back Necromunda I'd expect it to be Necromunda. It would be weird for me to criticise a new Necromunda for not being Confrontation in the same way it would be weird to wish a new Necromunda wasn't Necromunda and was, in fact, Confrontation.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

To really be Necromunda it would also have to turn my grey hairs black, make me lose 20 pounds and bring back all my old friends.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If they just made new plastic versions of the existing six houses, I wouldn't buy anything.

I'd buy everything. New Necromunda miniatures that could be easily converted? The idea of being able to do lots of new weapon combinations without the need to cut-up metal models? New poses?

I could finally do a Van Saar gang, and do a Cawdor gang that isn't full of rifles.

Plastic hanger kits would be very nice, but not if they're just the same factions. I already have all theEscher I need, and new ones wouldn't match; they'd be different gangs, so the fluff might as well respect that.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

To really be Necromunda it would also have to turn my grey hairs black, make me lose 20 pounds and bring back all my old friends.

That alread exists; it's called a mid-life crisis.

You buy one in almost any Harley Davidson, Porsche or Ferrari dealership.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If they just made new plastic versions of the existing six houses, I wouldn't buy anything.

I'd buy everything. New Necromunda miniatures that could be easily converted? The idea of being able to do lots of new weapon combinations without the need to cut-up metal models? New poses?

I could finally do a Van Saar gang, and do a Cawdor gang that isn't full of rifles.

Plastic hanger kits would be very nice, but not if they're just the same factions. I already have all theEscher I need, and new ones wouldn't match; they'd be different gangs, so the fluff might as well respect that.

I don't

Cawdor, Orlocks and Goliaths, sorta Van Saar can be build easily. But plastic Esher would be so, so good for Guard, Inquisition, NPCs, etc..

Esher could be very interesting from a converstion standpoint since they would be the 1st human female models done in plastic by GW.

I also could totally see making a Imperial Gaurd army out of plastic Cawdor or Orlock (The cadian range is just so uninspiring to collect)

 Binabik15 wrote:
Cawdor, Orlocks and Goliaths, sorta Van Saar can be build easily. But plastic Esher would be so, so good for Guard, Inquisition, NPCs, etc..

In that case they might as well just release a box set of "female underhive fighters" and not bother with Necromunda. If they make new Escher models, then it's almost certain they'll be different in style - the guns will be updated to match the modern look, for example, and the details will be different due to being multi-part plastic (I didn't like combining the metal and plastic Orlocks and Goliaths in the same gang, and they were designed alongside the metal ones). Enough that they won't fit in with the gang I already have. In that case, for me, they might as well expand the setting and simply make them a new House from Trazior Hive or somesuch.

They could revive the metals in resin for those who just want the old stuff again and put out a new range so that the people who already have old gangs have something new to buy.

Put the existing background (the actual Hive Primus-specific stuff wasn't much - a page on the hive itself, half a page per House) plus new material (just reprint the article in WD 130, job's a good 'un). The Skull is a good place to set it. It's a ruined hive that's been abandoned since an Ork invasion was fought off (retconned, sadly, into happening before the Heresy, but that can be worked around), so there's room for gangs from Hive Primus and elsewhere, plus weird mutant denizens, aliens, etc.

Anyway, I'm derailing this thread to no use, so I'll stop banging this drum.

 Lockark wrote:
Esher could be very interesting from a converstion standpoint since they would be the 1st human female models done in plastic by GW.

Not quite! Inquisitor Greyfax, Saint Celestine and the two Geminae got in first >

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

To really be Necromunda it would also have to turn my grey hairs black, make me lose 20 pounds and bring back all my old friends.

Dye, exercise, necromancy and some duct tape should fix all those issues.

robbienw wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Esher could be very interesting from a converstion standpoint since they would be the 1st human female models done in plastic by GW.

Not quite! Inquisitor Greyfax, Saint Celestine and the two Geminae got in first >

Technically Sisters of Silence were even earlier.

But that doesn't detract from Escher adding additional, much needed plastic female humans that could be useful for all manner of things.

 notprop wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think for a few people it wouldn't be Necromunda unless GW bought all the original books on eBay and repackaged them.

To really be Necromunda it would also have to turn my grey hairs black, make me lose 20 pounds and bring back all my old friends.

That alread exists; it's called a mid-life crisis.

You buy one in almost any Harley Davidson, Porsche or Ferrari dealership.

That may actually be cheaper than trying to assemble and Escher or Van Sarr gang....


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 Geifer wrote:

robbienw wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Esher could be very interesting from a converstion standpoint since they would be the 1st human female models done in plastic by GW.

Not quite! Inquisitor Greyfax, Saint Celestine and the two Geminae got in first >

Technically Sisters of Silence were even earlier.

But that doesn't detract from Escher adding additional, much needed plastic female humans that could be useful for all manner of things.

Ahem, actually the plastic immolator saw 2/3 of a plastic female human

Good point. Not sure it's a good thing that "two thirds there" is the closest GW ever managed to get to plastic Sisters, though.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If they make new Escher models, then it's almost certain they'll be different in style

Why?

Going by previous experience, really. When Specialist Games released new Orlocks, Goliaths and Ratskins, they looked different. The new Blood Bowl humans and Orks look different (and not just because they're bigger). Genestealer cultists and harlequins are similar to the older models, but again, sufficiently different that I don't like combining old and new in the same unit.

Small things, like the weapons being tweaked to look like the current style, is enough to annoy me. I appreciate that this won't bother others. It bugged me enough that I bought half a dozen of the weapon upgrade packs so I could convert models using the "Goodwin-pattern" lasguns and autoguns the Escher used, rather than the Imperial Guard-style ones that most other Houses used.

Basically, I and everyone I know has plenty of Necromunda gang models already, so the draw of a new game simply including more of them isn't as strong as a new game which widens the setting. You probably disagree, which is fair enough.

Anyway, I've spent my last few posts wishlisting, which I'm sure isn't really allowed, so I'd better stop.

I would say it's almost certain that Necromunda release will comprise of the Necromunda houses in exactly the same style.

I'm pretty sure I remember Atia saying we'd hear about specialist game's next release at Warhammer Fest, so I would imagine if it's to be released at Christmas then we'll be hearing an announcement at the end of the month


Edit: I'd describe RGs armour right now as Dreadnaught like. That rumour is True/True

Vorian wrote:


Edit: I'd describe RGs armour right now as Dreadnaught like. That rumour is True/True

Does it have a spin cycle? Heat settings? Those are his arms and legs in the arm and leg sleeves aren't they? So Not a marine dreadnought .

pretre has done this rumor tracking for a while now and has it pretty good. I think we can let his standard be the one he judges by instead of doing it by committee