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At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

Funny thing is, I'd be willing to bet that everyone's going to play super-ultra marines, but use old marine models, because they're very, very similar.

Get the advantage of playing the new hawtness but still get to use your old models.

I'm gonna boycott them having my 7th company of Dark Angels revealing themselves as Traitors all this time, and using the excuse of being substituted and outdated by the Legion-Building and Throne Usurper Guilliman to began a civil war in their subsector.

At the same time I'm gonna buy some boxes to run as normal Dark Angels with my Inquisition and Imperial forces

I'll probably get some, I don't plan on playing 40k but they'd make a nice command unit.

As far as the fluff I'm hoping in-setting people realize this whole Imperium Secundus mini-empire building primarch may not have everyone's best interests at heart. It seems like such an clear twist to go for so I'm sure GW won't since they seem oblivious to any sort of writing quality.

 Azreal13 wrote:
At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

He has the strong minority obviously.

 Roknar wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
People, this is WH40K. Something's going to go horribly wrong with Primaris, just like it did with regular marines. It's just a matter of time before the first Primaris chapter goes sideways.

I don't think GW have the balls, but this thing virtually has to to turn out bad to make any sense. And not just for the primaris themselves.
Neither the emperor nor fabius nor corax managed to do what cawl apparently has achieved and perfected all on his lonesome while robby-G was taking a nap.
This is borderline heresy. The rest of the imperium and especially marine chapter masters just being A-Ok with all of rowboats recent exploits would be stupid.

So far it's been "Guilliman and his magical marine posse here to save the day!", but it better be the calm before the storm.

To be fair, when it comes to tech/science the mechanicus usually get the final say. Cawl is, by virtue of age and rank, apparently someone not to be with within the mechanicus hierarchy. So, if he claims he found lost knowledge of human genetic engineering in an STC fragment or the emperor's notes (so it's totally fine and not Hersey), with Guilliman (literally a demigod in the eyes of even highlords and inquisitors, much less the ecclesiarchy) backing him up... no one is going to make a fuss. Particularly not given how bad things are overall.

It's also worth noting that the emperor was entirely capable of making soldiers far more powerful than space marines. That's what custodes are, not to mention the primarchs themselves. Indeed, space marines are basically the emperor throwing something together, both when he lacked direct access to the primarchs and then in the middle of a galactic crusade, using the fresh geneseed samples to stabilize/fix the space marine legions on the fly. So it's entirely possible the emperor could've made them better, but simply didn't either due to time constraints with his crusade, because he felt they were good enough, or simply because he preferred not make them any stronger than needed, for rather practical reasons.

When you consider what a minor improvement these marines are compared to custodes or primarchs, it seems fairly reasonable cawl couldve managed it, and between himself and guilliman im not shocked most people are accepting it as personally fine. Expect only a handful of more independent first founding chapters (wolves and dark angels possibly) to be particularly resistant to the idea. Or maybe some really paranoid inquisitors.

List of things that never change: war, sharks, and Traditio's salt levels

I was stoked when the Wraithguard got new models with swords and axes. I was also stoked when my Wraithlord model became plastic with more options.

Of course I'm going to buy these guys.

I remember reading Eisenhorn and feeling the dread(Dan Abnett is a master) of when the Chaos Space Marine shows up and starts destroying everything because he's a freaking giant Chaos Space Marine.

The current models don't do any of the fluff justice and not only should SMs/CSMs be bigger everyone else needs to get a little smaller.

I'm not going to "boycott" anything. I'll buy the models I like, and expect everyone else to do the same.

That said, I am so burned out on space marines, and a little annoyed they clearly are going to (slowly) be replacing the entire line of space marines. It's a huge, well done line already; whereas so many others could use the releases instead. I've been waiting years for GW to give me a reason to collect guard, but nope, just more marines.

Regardless, it's their way of trying to deal with the simple fact that their market is over saturated with marines. They're hoping the old marine players will start collecting these new ones to replace their old ones. I'm not at that point, but they do look better. Maybe if I can manage to sell my old marines for a reasonable price I'd be willing.

Actually, I'm finding that the more people complain about the Primaris Marines, the more I want to buy them.

I'm going to get a lot of them. They are what I've always wanted, bigger, more-movie like marines. Heck they even look better because their proportions are more realistic.

rofl no. They have a new dread now man.

 Traditio wrote:

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

Absolutely want a new inquisitor kit because they dont exist and guard needs a SERIOUS update

im getting these adeptus restartes

iv been looking for an excuse to restart all my armies and this is a fantastic start. the models are glorious and looks well proportioned.

the game it self is looking ok so far.

No, because I never really had any intention of buying any more marines to begin with, nu or no. Only marines I still have are gifts from friends that I need to paint still.

ERJAK wrote:
rofl no. They have a new dread now man.

+1 to that

After that Leviathan last year, I bet the new dread will be sweet.

as for the fluff we simply don't know eneugh about it to judge. the amount of info we have? it's like getting the first description of space Marines as "gene forged to be superior to humans, equipped with arms and armor from the finest forge worlds"

All well and good, but there are important questions we lack answers too.

1: What was the intent behind Gulliman ordering their inital creation? (my bet is he wanted an army that could dominate Chaos Space Marines to ensure the continued stability of the IoM. but we need that answered)

2: how are these Primaris Marines made? grown in a tube? same way normal marines are made? an upgrade that can be applied to existing space marines? these are important factors (I really hope they don't lose the human link Standard Marines have)

3: How Many are they?

4: what space marine chapters are having entire companies built anew as Primaris Marines? what are refusing ANY? (I could see space wolves having entire companies of these guys due to their recent losses, on the other hand I could also see the Wolves refusing ANY, especially if these space wolves are vat grown)

Given what we've seen, I am dissapointed with the way numarines were executed fluff wise. I don't have a problem with Cawl being able to engineer them, but I hate how they are just better space marines apparently created the same way as regular ones. I feel the fluff perfectly justifies this being possible (see custodes) but I don't like it as a story element. It feels like a slap in the face to the current chapters, and I would have much MUCH preferred if numarines had to be made from regular marines; basically an upgrade granted to decorated veterans. This could lead to numarine versions of special characters, while other characters hold off out of principle/suspicion (it's not at all difficult to imagine many of them doing so).

However, from a rules and mechanical perspective what I have seen so far is impressive. They managed to make an elite space marine unit that not only serves a specific role but manages to avoid stepping on the toes of the many other elite space marine options.

To me, its obvious where people are with them.

Group 1) People will buy them to add a single unit to their SM force in 8th and that's about it.

Group 2) People will buy them to start a new space marine army

Group 3) People will buy them because they are in a starter set

Group 4) People won't buy them because they don't like them atheistically, fluff wise or in fear of GW phasing out their horde of normal marines.

Group 5) No interest in Space Marines/focusing on other forces.

At the end of the day I think they will sell comparatively well and GW knows everything Space Marine will sell, well maybe not hideous abominations -INCERT WO Centurions RD HERE- will sell well. Personally I am not against making things true scale and slightly easier to paint. Of course it may put pressure on current lines of space marines depending on whether GW keeps pumping out different new marine kits. I would like to see the current range stay valid and viable too. Technically you could say I am boycotting them, but at the minute I am sitting on the fence until 8th edition hits the ground running physically.

One thing is that if we go by the value of starter/box sets, I think almost everyone is going to get an 8th box set. I got almost every one of them, Assassins, Calth and Prospero just because of the great minis for cheep. So Chaos guys are going to get them as well as people curious about the 8th edition itself.

With that said a good number of us are going to end up with nu-marines like it or not.

Boycotting these would be beyond stupid. I have a slight issue with the way these have been introduced, as many others have stated, and I also believe that this is the first step in replacing the entire SM range, again, as many others have stated. But, after the Tau released new Crisis & Broadside suits, over time I replaced all the old models I had for them. Granted, not quite in the same vein as replacing an entire army, but new model releases replacing old sculpts isn't really anything new. To be fair, many other armies in the range desperately need love - I've wanted to build a Sisters army for years, but am flat unwilling to pay the prices GW wants for them in a material that is difficult to work with and even more difficult to keep looking good over time. But that is no reason to boycott the release.

If GW looses money on this (and judging by the response to the poll, they most certainly aren't, but for the sake of argument...), they will be unwilling to release updates to the armies that do need updates. GW loosing money is a -bad- thing. Why would GW consider updating the Exarchs and Aspect warriors of the Eldar after we in their faces with this release? Why would they re-do the Sisters line when we've shown them that we're unwilling to accept an update to their flagship line? Boycotting the Primaris Marines is a poorly considered response, and will ultimately be counter-productive.

The models look excellent, and the rules, while being what marines arguably should have been from the start, are solid. My only SM army is GK, and they're (for now) exclusively Terminators, but I very well use the bodies as PAGK, if they're going to be as conversion friendly as the teaser suggested.

So no, I will not consider boycotting Nu-Marines. Nor will I suggest to others in my gaming circle to do the same.

I don't plan to buy them simply because I'm interested in the older armors, and on top of that I don't like the Aquila on the chest and never have.

However simply because Traditio said I shouldn't buy them I'm gonna get a single box.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:


However simply because Traditio said I shouldn't buy them I'm gonna get a single box.

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Jokes aside, I won't be boycotting them. I'm looking forward to see which chapters accept them, which dont, and if there is a new Chapter made of them I like the colors and lore for. If not, I'll build a Chapter or find an exsisting to add them to (Scythes of the Emperor most likely)

This thread is so frustratingly wrong it angers me. How can anyone legitimately have the line of thinking Traditio has

 Klowny wrote:
This thread is so frustratingly wrong it angers me. How can anyone legitimately have the line of thinking Traditio has

Well, he was all pumped about everything until I mentioned to him that Primaris marines might likely be an all-out replacement for all pre-existing marines. I also think he might honestly be trying to gauge sentiment and isn't on the side he appears to be on, but phrased it in an awkward way.

I do not get this backlash, but that's because it doesn't make me mad, it makes me excited. I TOTALLY got and participated in the backlash against the Tau article.

I am trying to keep in the forefront of my mind that what some love, others hate, and just because we disagree doesn't mean we aren't both right.

Boycott Traditio.

Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.

Exalted!

The models are pretty cool, but I don't really care for the fluff they've shown us so far. That said, I would never presume to tell someone else how to enjoy their hobby.

Azreal13 wrote:At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

Or as Traditio calls it, a strong minority opinion.

At this point, with all the hate from everyone, I gotta just lol, apperantly a small group of 40k players can never be pleased... ever.

 Rysgame wrote:
At this point, with all the hate from everyone, I gotta just lol, apperantly a small group of 40k players can never be pleased... ever.

Its never the same group of people but there always is a group that wont like things.

then again without that there would never be any discussion.