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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 18:09:10
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Darkjim wrote: Ketara wrote:The Home Secretary has said odds are, Abedi wasn't acting alone. What that means is that at least one other person was involved, and judging by some other reports I've seen about, this other connection is likely to be the one who supplied him with the explosive device.
In other words, there's a rogue Islamic bomb maker on the run at the minimum that they're trying to pull down. Three people arrested so far, no idea if they're part of the crime or just people connected to people who are. Either way, they'll be combing Abedi's possessions as we speak, interviewing anyone who knows him, trawling the CCTV, and trying to figure out who got him the bomb and nail them fast.
That means this other chap is likely on a timer and knows it. Hence the 'critical' status, if he's going to hit anywhere, he may well try and do it soon before they catch up with him. That's my reading of what facts we've got so far anyway. Hopefully it's just the one bloke and not a cell of them, or this could get ugly.
Equally, they could be hedging - given the apparent sophistication of the bomb, and lack of evidence he did act alone, they are working one the basis it is likely someone helped, without any direct evidence of such. Not saying that is the case at all, but odds are that he wasn't acting alone only means they judge it more likely than not, that he was assisted.
I'd agree with this thinking. The quote (from BBC) is that "[Monday's attack] was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that [Abedi] wasn't doing this on his own."
That does imply that (at the time of the statement) there is no real evidence that it wasn't one persons actions (directly anyway). The wording implies an assumption that an individual couldn't have undertaken the attack on their own. However we don't have a lot of information on the explosive other than it appeared to be a variant on a nail bomb. If they have determined that there was high grade C4 used then yes it could be possible and likely; however effective explosives can be relatively easily made with a bit of knowledge especially if done carefully over a preparation period of months where the quantities being bought are way below the radar and by cash only. In some ways this is more likely to be difficult to track because there is less of on an electronic or written record. Such explosives are generally and relatively low yield (compared to something like C4) and hence to maximise damage you need densely crowded areas hence the target being the end of the show (bag searches may occur on the way in, but not in the concourse outside and that an explosion in the hall would have much less of an impact).
On the other hand by raising the fear of another attack it likely makes it easier for the police to round up anyone that might have been an associate and get extended questioning period. For those not in the UK unless you are arrested the police can't hold you and you can walk out the door. Being arrested does not mean you are guilty just that you are a 'person of interest' that they want guaranteed time to question. They only think you are guilty when you are charged. So at the moment we only have people arrested, no one has been charged (last time I looked anyway).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 18:29:45
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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feeder wrote:Right. And the Bataclan attack was chosen because ISIS hates avian apex predators and the musical stylings of Obituary and Cannibal Corpse. /s
The target was chosen because it was a soft target with maximum casualties. It could have been any band.
Agreed with feeder.
That news article is just filler, if not click bait.
Nice picture, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 19:22:32
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Mixed messages this afternoon - Amber Rudd says nothing more than it seems likely he was assisted, but according to the police they are looking for a network. Certainly arrests are being made but with this sort of thing I think if they hit a property they just arrest everyone, so not surprising,
Meanwhile, it's announced the Manchester Run is going ahead on Sunday, which is about 30,000 runners and 100,000 spectators strung out between the city centre and Old Trafford, which seems monumentally risky and impossible to protect, if there is another bomber waiting.
Also - thank you France, for Eric Cantona. You rock.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/40026783
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 19:59:00
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Ketara wrote:There's 'Keep Calm and Carry On' and then there's keeping an vague eye out for your personal safety the next few days whilst the government has publicly stated that there's an extremely high risk of another attack and deployed 5,000 troops on the streets. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and only a fool would equate the latter to 'letting the terrorists win'.
Nobody's saying to call in ill at work for fear of the big bad unknown. But in the same way you don't walk down large dark alleys in Brixton with strangely hooded men at 1am, it might be an idea to avoid obvious targets if not too much of an inconvenience for an appropriate time period whilst this is ongoing, the troops are on the streets, and a clearer picture is emerging.
I grew up and lived in Belfast and was in my late teens when the bombings stopped in Northern Ireland. Looking back now I realise how utterly terrible a time it was but in the middle of it I'm shocked now by how we did all carry on largely as normal. As kids we used to joke about English and Scottish relatives coming over who were worried about the danger. My dad worked for an Australian bank that had a branch in Belfast and when his boss came over he got paid danger money which we all thought funny even though dads office was blown up twice and we had a list taped beside the phone telling us what they say if he had been kidnapped and we got a ransom demand.
We had a bomb planted in the school during my 3rd year French exam, the train station blew up in my sisters face one day when she was coming home from school. Our local hotel got blown up one night all the pictures fell off the wall and we ran out into the street to see the ambulances arrive to pick up the dead and injured. We carried on. We went to funerals of people killed for no reason, just out shopping or out for a meal. It's weird looking back at all that it seemed so normal. It wasn't healthy it's left a society scared and I really pray we aren't moving toward more terror for a new generation. Teresa May and all those in government will make mistakes and get somethings right, we will agree and disagree with the approach of those in power. But I know that me thing in this judgmental world we live in now I don't envy their job and they will get my respect as long as I see them attempting to put the security of our people first. There are evil people in every generation and every land.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:19:39
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Father and one of the brothers arrested in Libya for having ties to ISIL and knowledge of the attack.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-britain-manchester-20170524-story.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:40:53
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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@Knockagh.
That's the thing though - they are not putting the British people first!
Bit of a rant here, but I am mad at this government.
They have been in power for 7 years, and in that time they have slashed police budgets, cut and fired police officers by the truck load, privatized the forensic analysis service, and even cut back on police sniffer dog numbers.
The British army is at the lowest number of soldiers it's ever been, the navy has more admirals than fighting ships, struggles to put a rowing boat to sea, and the Royal Air Force can't even launch a bombing campaign for more than two days unless the Americans help us out.
Our police and security services are operating with one hand tied behind their backs, and yet, this government has the nerve to stand up and say what a great job you're doing, credit to the nation blah blah blah
Well give them the fething tools to do the job you two faced pieces of
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:43:33
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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jhe90 wrote:Russia has offered the UK a increased relationship to fight ISIS and share info, and hunt them down. And one more tabloid press saying Putin seems to draw a line at targeting kids and was stating they would punish them for the attack.
If there genuine. Well it could be a powerful boost to fight against them.
They may have managed to get two nations not seeing eye to eye decide to unite.
Putin was happy to target kids in Beslan in 2004 and even used the affair to consolidate more power into his own office. He has been happy to target hospitals in Syria.
I wouldn't trust Putin any farther than I could spit my realpolitik of mutual national interests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:44:30
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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But don't worry, I'm sure Fuerher May will be reminding us only Strong and Stable Leadership, sure as Brexit means Brexit, will see us through this latest atrocity......
On a brighter note seems are superlative despite horrific underfunding security peeps have this sewn up tighter than a duck's arse
6 arrested, including at least three family members. If there is indeed a wider network at play here, won't be long until it's been dismantled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:46:16
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Whirlwind wrote: Darkjim wrote: Ketara wrote:The Home Secretary has said odds are, Abedi wasn't acting alone. What that means is that at least one other person was involved, and judging by some other reports I've seen about, this other connection is likely to be the one who supplied him with the explosive device.
In other words, there's a rogue Islamic bomb maker on the run at the minimum that they're trying to pull down. Three people arrested so far, no idea if they're part of the crime or just people connected to people who are. Either way, they'll be combing Abedi's possessions as we speak, interviewing anyone who knows him, trawling the CCTV, and trying to figure out who got him the bomb and nail them fast.
That means this other chap is likely on a timer and knows it. Hence the 'critical' status, if he's going to hit anywhere, he may well try and do it soon before they catch up with him. That's my reading of what facts we've got so far anyway. Hopefully it's just the one bloke and not a cell of them, or this could get ugly.
Equally, they could be hedging - given the apparent sophistication of the bomb, and lack of evidence he did act alone, they are working one the basis it is likely someone helped, without any direct evidence of such. Not saying that is the case at all, but odds are that he wasn't acting alone only means they judge it more likely than not, that he was assisted.
I'd agree with this thinking. The quote (from BBC) is that "[Monday's attack] was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that [Abedi] wasn't doing this on his own."
That does imply that (at the time of the statement) there is no real evidence that it wasn't one persons actions (directly anyway). The wording implies an assumption that an individual couldn't have undertaken the attack on their own. However we don't have a lot of information on the explosive other than it appeared to be a variant on a nail bomb. If they have determined that there was high grade C4 used then yes it could be possible and likely; however effective explosives can be relatively easily made with a bit of knowledge especially if done carefully over a preparation period of months where the quantities being bought are way below the radar and by cash only. In some ways this is more likely to be difficult to track because there is less of on an electronic or written record. Such explosives are generally and relatively low yield (compared to something like C4) and hence to maximise damage you need densely crowded areas hence the target being the end of the show (bag searches may occur on the way in, but not in the concourse outside and that an explosion in the hall would have much less of an impact).
On the other hand by raising the fear of another attack it likely makes it easier for the police to round up anyone that might have been an associate and get extended questioning period. For those not in the UK unless you are arrested the police can't hold you and you can walk out the door. Being arrested does not mean you are guilty just that you are a 'person of interest' that they want guaranteed time to question. They only think you are guilty when you are charged. So at the moment we only have people arrested, no one has been charged (last time I looked anyway).
We can extend detention of suspects before charge under the terror acts.
If a judge decides fairly extensive like 14 days or so.
Plenty of time to decide if you want to charge them with a crime. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Give em time. Ernough suspects and time to search homes n computers. They will dig up the info.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:48:40
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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What a nice grateful family. fething bastards.
This is just like the father of that girl who ran off to Syria (or Iraq, I can't remember). He claimed to have no idea why she did it, and blamed it on the police for not stopping her, and they bent over backwards and apologized to him. Then the pic of him standing at one of Anjem Choudary's rallies, holding the banner and not two feet away from one of Lee Rigby's killers emerged. And nothing more was said or done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:50:46
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Forgive me for being cynical, but in my experience, when these things happen, the police tend to arrest any old person for the sake of being seen to be doing something, we're in control, reassure the public etc etc
For all we know, they might have been arrested for scrumping for apples.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:51:14
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ISIL Strikes Again!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:53:30
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Only takes the one poisonous mind.
Though one wonders what would happen if we could somehow get our knuckle dragging far-right wankstains to STFU and manage to severely curtail racism (looking at you, Sun, Mail and Express) how bad the problem would actually be.
Without making any kind of excuses or justification of the actions, how many people can be brought up in a society where a very vocal minority constantly claim you're an extremist waiting to happen?
Cause and effect. You give someone already wrong in the head enough abuse, and eventually you'll get the monsters you always said they were.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 20:54:26
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Courageous Grand Master
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When she was Home Secretary, our Prime Minister retired more police officers than social security.
And yet, she's promised them all the resources they need. I hope she has a time machine for them to reverse the cuts that were made into their budget and officer numbers...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:11:32
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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I really hope her previous actions come back to bite her during the election.
To quote their own slogan from 2010.....
We can't go on like this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:13:12
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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In other news, there seems to be a diplomatic row between Britain and America.
The British government is not happy that sensitive info is being leaked to the New York Times. This comes on top of yesterday's leaks about the killer's movements and family members. British security services lose the element of surprise and have to fight through the media pack to reach the target, is the rational given for being mad at the leaks.
It's not like the US government or security services to be this slack with information, especially when a close friend and ally is involved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:14:07
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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jhe90 wrote:
We can extend detention of suspects before charge under the terror acts.
If a judge decides fairly extensive like 14 days or so.
Plenty of time to decide if you want to charge them with a crime.
Which is fine, but we should not mistake an arrest as implication of guilt. It is no surprise that the family members have been arrested as in all likelihood they new their other family members the most and the police will want to question them about what they know. That does not mean they had anything to do with it or knowledge however. We should remember the lessons from the Joanna Yeates fiasco .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:15:56
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's not like the US government or security services to be this slack with information, especially when a close friend and ally is involved.
This is Donald Trump's government we're talking about here. We're lucky it was only leaked to the papers rather than Trump tweeting it out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:24:34
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's not like the US government or security services to be this slack with information, especially when a close friend and ally is involved.
This is Donald Trump's government we're talking about here. We're lucky it was only leaked to the papers rather than Trump tweeting it out.
I don't want to turn this into a US politics thread, but to be fair to Trump, the people who run US security services, should know what to do in this situation, with reagrd to intel control, and they have decades of experience in dealing with a 'leaky' White House.
This kind of thing happened in the Reagan days, so it's not new.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:30:28
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only takes the one poisonous mind.
Though one wonders what would happen if we could somehow get our knuckle dragging far-right wankstains to STFU and manage to severely curtail racism (looking at you, Sun, Mail and Express) how bad the problem would actually be.
Without making any kind of excuses or justification of the actions, how many people can be brought up in a society where a very vocal minority constantly claim you're an extremist waiting to happen?
Cause and effect. You give someone already wrong in the head enough abuse, and eventually you'll get the monsters you always said they were.
There is likely to be a lot of truth in this. The one thing we fail to do consistently is look inwards as to why this happened. That part of the blame may be in fact part of the way our society works. What is that make a UK born citizen decide that the only way they can make a statement is to explode a bomb. We are happy to put it down to extremists as a method of blame and then get on with life and not change the way society works. If we have a society that is happy to drive a wedge through different communities, not provide the same opportunities simply because of the colour of skin, language, religion and treat such people with fear and hatred. Then inevitably there will be people that won't tolerate such abuse and fall in with those that provide easy and populist messages to why society has treated them the way it has. In some ways suicide bombers are just as much victims, yes the crime is horrendous, but they are victims of ISIS using them and the failure of society to integrate different groups of people. Their death is needless just as much as everyone else's is and, despite what they have been made to believe, they gain nothing from doing so. The only people that gain are those that are manipulating them to try and implement regime change and for those people driving ISIS to gain power.
This is why at such times it is even more important to be open with people of different religions, language etc as to fear and hate such people will only drive more into extremists hands. We should not forget that for every one suicide bomber there are hundreds of actions each day by nurses, doctors, police etc that are saving people which we are simply not told about. These are the people we should remember.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 21:37:23
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Yup.
This all really came to a head just shy of 16 years ago.
That means there's an entire generation of young Muslims who've spent their entire lives being told 'you're violent. You're a threat. You're all terrorists. You're all paedophiles. You should all be wiped out. Your religion is a 'cancer'.
I think the simple fact that such a tiny minority turn out to be anything of the sort is testament to just how big a lie it all is.
We need to tackle this hate from all angles. That we can (rightly) denounce someone for an evil post on social media (for instance, blaming everything ever on the Judaic faith), yet have someone like Katie Hopkins spouting whatever vile bigotry (including calling for a 'final solution') they want in the national press is a huge, huge part of the problem. It seems you can say anything you want about Islam and nobody bats an eyelid. Kick off about Judaism or Christianity and you're a dangerous extremist (which you may well be, or just another pathetic individual incapable of taking ownership of the state of your own existence)
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Edited - same point as above.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:@Knockagh.
That's the thing though - they are not putting the British people first!
Bit of a rant here, but I am mad at this government.
They have been in power for 7 years, and in that time they have slashed police budgets, cut and fired police officers by the truck load, privatized the forensic analysis service, and even cut back on police sniffer dog numbers.
The British army is at the lowest number of soldiers it's ever been, the navy has more admirals than fighting ships, struggles to put a rowing boat to sea, and the Royal Air Force can't even launch a bombing campaign for more than two days unless the Americans help us out.
Our police and security services are operating with one hand tied behind their backs, and yet, this government has the nerve to stand up and say what a great job you're doing, credit to the nation blah blah blah
Well give them the fething tools to do the job you two faced pieces of 
You have some valid points but all governments do things we don't like, that's their job. And any day I would have her over the cretins in charge of the Labour Party. People who have supported and encouraged terror for years and now are squirming around the issue and telling blatant lies.
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/jeremy-corbyns-three-decades-of-comfort-and-aid-to-the-provisionals-35727183.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/24 22:34:22
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Whirlwind wrote: jhe90 wrote:
We can extend detention of suspects before charge under the terror acts.
If a judge decides fairly extensive like 14 days or so.
Plenty of time to decide if you want to charge them with a crime.
Which is fine, but we should not mistake an arrest as implication of guilt. It is no surprise that the family members have been arrested as in all likelihood they new their other family members the most and the police will want to question them about what they know. That does not mean they had anything to do with it or knowledge however. We should remember the lessons from the Joanna Yeates fiasco .
Which is fine. As said if you want to charge them. They could just be pricing together much as they can about the bombers life, and small things that might crack a weak point or a valuable clue that changes everything.
It only takes a small pebble to trigger a avalanche.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 09:42:45
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Courageous Grand Master
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The gak is hitting the fan now. Manchester police to stop sharing intel with US security services after leaks to US media
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210
What the hell is going on at the White House?
Prime Minister May is to speak with Trump at the NATO summit on this issue, so we can only hope that Trump puts a boot up somebody's rear for these intel leaks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 09:53:04
Subject: Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Knockagh - you seem to have grown up in Norn Ireland at roughly the same time as me, but things seem to have had a more direct impact on your life than I ever felt.
But yeah, you just get on with things. What else are you going to do? Curl up in a hole and gibber? According to some parts of the media that's what most of us should be doing. "Live in fear! The terrorists are going to get you!!!"
Don't. Just get on with your life. Partly because you have to, partly because if you don't, they win. So I don't really agree with suspension of election campaigning, or anything else, on security issues - but I do agree with it because campaigning is a nasty, backbiting, divisive part of politics and allowing some cooling off time to prevent making political points out of this sort of thing is reasonable. And it shows a degree of unity and respect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 10:53:53
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:The gak is hitting the fan now. Manchester police to stop sharing intel with US security services after leaks to US media
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210
What the hell is going on at the White House?
Prime Minister May is to speak with Trump at the NATO summit on this issue, so we can only hope that Trump puts a boot up somebody's rear for these intel leaks.
Why do you assume thats the White House? There are serious, serious problems at the intel gathering agencies (including the FBI)now with leaks. Have you not noticed the last six months?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 10:59:37
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Frazzled wrote:Why do you assume thats the White House? There are serious, serious problems at the intel gathering agencies (including the FBI)now with leaks. Have you not noticed the last six months?
The article actually says the exact opposite.
BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera says UK officials believe that US law enforcement rather than the White House is the likely culprit for the leaks.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 11:10:54
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Courageous Grand Master
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My apologies to my fellow dakka members for my mistake.
I should have read the article properly.
I got it wrong.
In my very feeble defence, the buck stops at Trump's desk, so I hope he can fix the problems highlighted by Frazz with regard to problems at US intel services.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/05/25 11:27:56
Subject: Re:Reports coming in of an explosion in Manchester
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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It ultimately depends on what level of law enforcement it was leaked from: neither Trump nor any other president can really control what gets leaked if the law enforcement in question wasn't the FBI.
However, the ability to control even that relationship - generally speaking, is very difficult if you've cultivated an actively hostile relationship with them.
Without getting into domestic US politics and coming at it from an international angle, if I were an allied intelligence agency I would definitely consider what intel I provided to the US right now. This fiasco is a pretty good example of that, sadly - regardless of who specifically leaked it.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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