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Pain4Pleasure wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

This is the kind of feedback I want before I build the models

Depends. I prefer a coldstar with trip fusion and an AFP replaced with the supernova relic. Yes its a d6 shots but as each is a primaris killer.

Cheers

Andrew

I have a question about running drones in groups larger than four.

People are mentioning running three squads of seven shield drones. How do you mitigate loses to moral with such big squads?

I have been keeping my drone squads at four since they are only leadership six.

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
I have a question about running drones in groups larger than four.

People are mentioning running three squads of seven shield drones. How do you mitigate loses to moral with such big squads?

I have been keeping my drone squads at four since they are only leadership six.

They can use an Ethereal's ld 9.

 Ordana wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
I have a question about running drones in groups larger than four.

People are mentioning running three squads of seven shield drones. How do you mitigate loses to moral with such big squads?

I have been keeping my drone squads at four since they are only leadership six.

They can use an Ethereal's ld 9.

That makes sense. Thanks!

Gonna start building today. I had swore I purchased 3 commanders but I didn’t I only had 2, but I have 6 crisis suits so as I only ever plan to run a unit biggest at 5 I think I’m gonna make an xv8 commander. What’s the best loadout for him, and as far as as the two other commanders, enforcer or Coldstar?

So pretty much giving up on plasma rifle suits in exchange for CIB. Tau “plasma” is really bad

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Gonna start building today. I had swore I purchased 3 commanders but I didn’t I only had 2, but I have 6 crisis suits so as I only ever plan to run a unit biggest at 5 I think I’m gonna make an xv8 commander. What’s the best loadout for him, and as far as as the two other commanders, enforcer or Coldstar?

I'd make the XV8 your 'buffmander'. Sit him in the back with your Broadsides and have him drop Command and Control Node stratagems. He's fairly safe from enemy fire but because of CNC he won't be shooting much (when using this strat, he can't shoot). Give him Drone Controller and Counterfire Defense Systems (re-roll overwatch, if he's Tau Sept that's 5-6 with rerolls and the Greater Good lets him shoot overwatch if nearby units get charged) and a couple Burst Cannons for cheap volume of Overwatch fire. Or you could give him 2 CIB, since you'll probably make the other 2 commanders Coldstars that can't take CIB. A bit more expensive but if/when the Broadsides die he's got a significant weapon to use.

 John Prins wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Gonna start building today. I had swore I purchased 3 commanders but I didn’t I only had 2, but I have 6 crisis suits so as I only ever plan to run a unit biggest at 5 I think I’m gonna make an xv8 commander. What’s the best loadout for him, and as far as as the two other commanders, enforcer or Coldstar?

I'd make the XV8 your 'buffmander'. Sit him in the back with your Broadsides and have him drop Command and Control Node stratagems. He's fairly safe from enemy fire but because of CNC he won't be shooting much (when using this strat, he can't shoot). Give him Drone Controller and Counterfire Defense Systems (re-roll overwatch, if he's Tau Sept that's 5-6 with rerolls and the Greater Good lets him shoot overwatch if nearby units get charged) and a couple Burst Cannons for cheap volume of Overwatch fire. Or you could give him 2 CIB, since you'll probably make the other 2 commanders Coldstars that can't take CIB. A bit more expensive but if/when the Broadsides die he's got a significant weapon to use.

Thank you very much! You guys have all been helping a ton with every question I’ve asked

gendoikari87 wrote:
So pretty much giving up on plasma rifle suits in exchange for CIB. Tau “plasma” is really bad

Triple plasma suits are great, 8 points each is cheap cheap cheap.

What’s the ideal loadout for the stormsurge

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

How do you get 4 fusion on the coldstar? The first Tau FAQ took it down to only being able to swap the stock weapons for 2. Are you still using the index entry?

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
What’s the ideal loadout for the stormsurge

It depends on how your going to play it and which sept, to be honest though I would magnetise it, allows you to swap and makes it easier to transport.


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Jamie Shred wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

How do you get 4 fusion on the coldstar? The first Tau FAQ took it down to only being able to swap the stock weapons for 2. Are you still using the index entry?

Think you misinterpreted that FAQ. It's never not been allowed to take 4 selections in 8th edition.

Ice_can wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
What’s the ideal loadout for the stormsurge

It depends on how your going to play it and which sept, to be honest though I would magnetise it, allows you to swap and makes it easier to transport.


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Jamie Shred wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

How do you get 4 fusion on the coldstar? The first Tau FAQ took it down to only being able to swap the stock weapons for 2. Are you still using the index entry?

Think you misinterpreted that FAQ. It's never not been allowed to take 4 selections in 8th edition.

Actually you could take 20 of anything you wanted in 8th. Only Matched Play restricts it and that restriction came after about a year of tournaments.

Ice_can wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
What’s the ideal loadout for the stormsurge

It depends on how your going to play it and which sept, to be honest though I would magnetise it, allows you to swap and makes it easier to transport.


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Jamie Shred wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

How do you get 4 fusion on the coldstar? The first Tau FAQ took it down to only being able to swap the stock weapons for 2. Are you still using the index entry?

Think you misinterpreted that FAQ. It's never not been allowed to take 4 selections in 8th edition.

Not a bad idea. I’m not normally good at magnetization but I do feel it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try my hand especially since it’s a bigger model.

It was changed in the codex to allow it to take anything on its hard points.... except the CIB because triple ion blaster with ats on a coldstar would just be too damn much

Can Tau fire SMS during overwatch at an enemy they cannot see? Can other units FTGG with their SMS as well?

Personally I see no reason why not, but I just want to make sure.

macexor wrote:
Can Tau fire SMS during overwatch at an enemy they cannot see? Can other units FTGG with their SMS as well?

Personally I see no reason why not, but I just want to make sure.

are the units within 6" of the unit being charged? Sure, why not?

Another thing to remember is with flamers. Although the assaulting unit may be out of range of the flamer, it is assumed that they will be assaulting into range, so if they are at 12 inches and only assault 2", you can still wound them with flamers.


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 Jancoran wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
What’s the ideal loadout for the stormsurge

It depends on how your going to play it and which sept, to be honest though I would magnetise it, allows you to swap and makes it easier to transport.


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Jamie Shred wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

How do you get 4 fusion on the coldstar? The first Tau FAQ took it down to only being able to swap the stock weapons for 2. Are you still using the index entry?

Think you misinterpreted that FAQ. It's never not been allowed to take 4 selections in 8th edition.

Actually you could take 20 of anything you wanted in 8th. Only Matched Play restricts it and that restriction came after about a year of tournaments.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the number of hardpoints on the coldstar, not the number of coldstars that you could take in your force.
Which can, by the way, take 4 fusion blasters

 carldooley wrote:

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the number of hardpoints on the coldstar, not the number of coldstars that you could take in your force.
Which can, by the way, take 4 fusion blasters

Oooooh. My bad. Musta been having a brain fart.

 carldooley wrote:

Another thing to remember is with flamers. Although the assaulting unit may be out of range of the flamer, it is assumed that they will be assaulting into range, so if they are at 12 inches and only assault 2", you can still wound them with flamers.

No, overwatch is still considered a normal shooting attack following the usual rules including LoS and range. As such if someone wants to make a 10" charge flamers can't be fired at them. WoF is an older edition rule and is no longer there.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:

 carldooley wrote:

Another thing to remember is with flamers. Although the assaulting unit may be out of range of the flamer, it is assumed that they will be assaulting into range, so if they are at 12 inches and only assault 2", you can still wound them with flamers.

No, overwatch is still considered a normal shooting attack following the usual rules including LoS and range. As such if someone wants to make a 10" charge flamers can't be fired at them. WoF is an older edition rule and is no longer there.

Cheers

Andrew

Maybe he mixed up 7th and 8th ed?

Either way no overwatch outside range or out of sight. Don't park too close to ruin walls...

 AndrewC wrote:

 carldooley wrote:

Another thing to remember is with flamers. Although the assaulting unit may be out of range of the flamer, it is assumed that they will be assaulting into range, so if they are at 12 inches and only assault 2", you can still wound them with flamers.

No, overwatch is still considered a normal shooting attack following the usual rules including LoS and range. As such if someone wants to make a 10" charge flamers can't be fired at them. WoF is an older edition rule and is no longer there.

Cheers

Andrew

well
anyone interested in swapping their AFPs for my CIBs?

Thoughts on crisis suits? I see plasma is good, I see it’s bad. I see flamers are good, I see their bad. The 3 obvious no goes (for this edition) are CIB, fusions blasters, and missiles from what I’ve read. The burst cannon just doesn’t seem worth it on crisis suits, a commander in XV8 sure but not crisis suits. We have enough anti infantry.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Thoughts on crisis suits? I see plasma is good, I see it’s bad. I see flamers are good, I see their bad. The 3 obvious no goes (for this edition) are CIB, fusions blasters, and missiles from what I’ve read. The burst cannon just doesn’t seem worth it on crisis suits, a commander in XV8 sure but not crisis suits. We have enough anti infantry.

Crisis suits are still in a meh place ruleswise, ok for casual play 40k but not really worth while for competitive.
You can make them do good work with farsight and dropzone clear strategum, C&C node stacking but it gets points heavy, and takes a big hit if vect/generations removes your buff.
IMHO riptides and broadsides bring the same things to the table with less downsides.

Also plasma is terribad, CIB are amazing so are missiles but broadsides do missiles better.

Got it. I’ll either learn to magnetize for future editions or go ahead and build them with flamers just for those games I’m playing against orks or tyranid sand need the extra mass damage weapons. I wasn’t normally going to pick any up but my lgs didn’t have just fire warriors, so I had to purchase the start collecting which is why I got them.

So killteam elites. Thoughts? My killteam from here forward is a shas’vre with twin cib and ats, missile pod sniper with two mo and ats and demolition triple burst cannon..... and six drones

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Got it. I’ll either learn to magnetize for future editions or go ahead and build them with flamers just for those games I’m playing against orks or tyranid sand need the extra mass damage weapons. I wasn’t normally going to pick any up but my lgs didn’t have just fire warriors, so I had to purchase the start collecting which is why I got them.

Magnetizing the crisis suits is pretty simple. I just bought some small magnets online, and got a drill bit that was the same diameter as the magnets. I used my hand to drill little holes in the arms and shoulders to match the depths of the magnets, and then I did the same thing on each of the weapon options. Then use super glue to stick in the magnets. The only thing you need to be careful of is the magnets' polarity. Make sure you glue them in so that any weapon can fit on any hard point.

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Got it. I’ll either learn to magnetize for future editions or go ahead and build them with flamers just for those games I’m playing against orks or tyranid sand need the extra mass damage weapons. I wasn’t normally going to pick any up but my lgs didn’t have just fire warriors, so I had to purchase the start collecting which is why I got them.

Magnetizing the crisis suits is pretty simple. I just bought some small magnets online, and got a drill bit that was the same diameter as the magnets. I used my hand to drill little holes in the arms and shoulders to match the depths of the magnets, and then I did the same thing on each of the weapon options. Then use super glue to stick in the magnets. The only thing you need to be careful of is the magnets' polarity. Make sure you glue them in so that any weapon can fit on any hard point.

for magnet polarity, how i kept it organized was i marked 1 side with a marker, and worked by way down the magnetized stack until they were all marked. as long as the marks went the same direction, they'd connect, and no 2nd guessing

Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

This is the kind of feedback I want before I build the models

Depends. I prefer a coldstar with trip fusion and an AFP replaced with the supernova relic. Yes its a d6 shots but as each is a primaris killer.

Cheers

Andrew

This is why you magnetize.

SirGunslinger wrote:

Coldstar, quad fusion, best Assassin

This is the kind of feedback I want before I build the models

Depends. I prefer a coldstar with trip fusion and an AFP replaced with the supernova relic. Yes its a d6 shots but as each is a primaris killer.

Cheers

Andrew

This is why you magnetize.

Very true. Looks like I’ll be getting a hand drill and magnets. So being new I’ve been delving a lot into the codex. Knowing Shadowsun is a must take for tau sept I got her online on eBay (thankfully for $46, most people are trying to get $100+ out of her) so that should help me. What’s everyone’s take on fire warrior numbers? I see 15 to 30 to sometimes 50 in lists. Personally, I feel 30 max is the sweet number. Maybe 35 if you wanna run one squad of 10 in a 2 battalion army. Just curious what everyone thinks?